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15:59:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:59:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PF()12:00PM already started
15:59:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:59:14 <trackbot> Date: 06 May 2015
15:59:45 <janina> trackbot, start meeting
15:59:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs member
15:59:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:59:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PF()12:00PM already started
15:59:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:59:50 <trackbot> Date: 06 May 2015
15:59:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #pf
16:00:14 <Zakim> +??P15
16:00:24 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:00:34 <Zakim> +??P18
16:00:40 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
16:01:17 <janina> agenda?
16:01:23 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
16:01:24 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:01:27 <janina> Chair:  Janina
16:01:27 <janina> agenda: this
16:01:27 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:01:27 <janina> agenda+ Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-pf-minutes.html
16:01:28 <janina> agenda+ New Minuting Procedure
16:01:29 <janina> agenda+ Welcome to Webex
16:01:32 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
16:01:34 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD
16:01:37 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
16:01:39 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Continued
16:01:42 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items--APG FPWD; Extension Mechanism
16:01:44 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; HTML-A11Y; SVG
16:01:47 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:01:49 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
16:01:52 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:01:54 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:01:55 <janina> 
16:02:04 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Fred_Esch, James_Nurthen, ??P15, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Michael_Cooper, Joanmarie_Diggs
16:02:17 <janina> zakim, ??P15 is me
16:02:17 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:02:29 <janina> zakim, next item
16:02:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:02:41 <ShaneM> ShaneM has joined #pf
16:03:20 <fesch> js: need to look at telecom and going public
16:03:26 <janina> zakim, next item
16:03:26 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, janina
16:03:32 <Zakim> + +1.612.406.aaaa
16:03:32 <janina> zakim, close item 1
16:03:33 <Zakim> agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
16:03:33 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:03:33 <Zakim> 2. Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-pf-minutes.html [from janina]
16:03:36 <janina> zakim, next item
16:03:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-pf-minutes.html" taken up [from janina]
16:03:39 <ShaneM> zakim, I am aaaa
16:03:39 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
16:04:12 <fesch> RESOLUTION: publish minutes as posted
16:04:19 <janina> zakim, next item
16:04:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, janina
16:04:30 <janina> zakim, close item 2
16:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 2, Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-pf-minutes.html, closed
16:04:32 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:32 <Zakim> 3. New Minuting Procedure [from janina]
16:04:34 <janina> zakim, next item
16:04:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "New Minuting Procedure" taken up [from janina]
16:04:43 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015May/0038.html
16:05:46 <fesch> js: PF is OK with going fully public, Judy added to charter discussions
16:07:01 <fesch> js: MC and JS checked into how to go public, talked to admin,
16:07:58 <fesch> mc: has not heard back from admin on member PF list, being read only
16:08:05 <janina> q?
16:08:24 <fesch> js: Any opinions on going public?
16:08:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> go publix
16:08:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> public
16:08:45 <fesch> js: PROPOSES to go public immediately
16:09:20 <fesch> jn: can we ask whether something should be minuted?
16:09:32 <fesch> js: sure
16:10:21 <MichaelC> q+
16:10:24 <JF> JF has joined #PF
16:11:06 <fesch> mc: please say in advance, please don't minute that --- helps the scribe :)
16:11:13 <Zakim> +JF
16:11:36 <MichaelC> ack me
16:12:17 <fesch> jn: scribe doesn't always accurately captured what you said, and potential liability
16:12:51 <fesch> mc: we could ask minutes generator, putting a disclaimer - about the accuracy of scribing
16:14:00 <fesch> js: might put in policy statement on the web page for the renamed group
16:14:21 <fesch> PROPOSAL: make minutes public today,
16:14:41 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
16:14:53 <fesch> RESOLUTION: PF will being posting all minutes into the public list and will seek to make the member list read only
16:15:01 <JF> +1
16:15:43 <fesch> js: not many groups in members (only) space
16:16:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
16:16:30 <fesch> js: how do we handle old member only space - keep it member only
16:16:53 <fesch> rs: what are the chances we can make the issues and actions list public?
16:17:35 <fesch> mc: we will need to do it with the new group, rather not make the current one public for a month, and protect old stuff
16:18:01 <fesch> s/protect/need to protect/
16:18:25 <fesch> jn: what is the harm in having an aria and pf tracker?
16:18:43 <fesch> mc: lists technical issues
16:19:24 <fesch> js: was going to put on the agenda whether we want separate lists for aria and apa
16:20:11 <fesch> js: scope of permitted work of (ARIA, APA) groups would be
16:20:53 <fesch> sm: thought we were going to git anyway?
16:21:30 <fesch> mc: bugzilla was a plan, still using tracker because of IRC integration
16:21:58 <fesch> mc: need to decide on use of tracker or not and if so configuration
16:22:44 <fesch> sm: lives and breathes perl...
16:23:00 <fesch> sm: speaks bugzilla API, hasn't looked at github
16:23:36 <fesch> js: would be interesting to know how big a job integrating with bugzilla, github would be
16:23:52 <fesch> sm: another group, maybe web payments has already done it
16:24:20 <MichaelC> action: shane to investigate possibilities of IRC bot integration with Bugzilla and GitHub
16:24:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1630 - Investigate possibilities of irc bot integration with bugzilla and github [on Shane McCarron - due 2015-05-13].
16:24:26 <fesch> jn: hates tracker
16:24:28 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:24:29 <MichaelC> action-1630 due 2 weeks
16:24:29 <trackbot> Set action-1630 Investigate possibilities of irc bot integration with bugzilla and github due date to 2015-05-20.
16:24:46 <janina> zakim, next item
16:24:46 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
16:24:53 <MichaelC> q?
16:25:03 <janina> ack r
16:25:08 <janina> zakim, next item
16:25:08 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Welcome to Webex" taken up [from janina]
16:25:42 <fesch> js: zakim is being decommissioned due to cost
16:26:14 <fesch> js: moving to webex temporarily
16:26:27 <fesch> js: this meeting will be on webex by June
16:27:03 <fesch> js: android client is reasonably accessible, other clients less so
16:27:32 <fesch> js: JW wasn't able to edit
16:28:07 <fesch> js: need to play with it, before committing to it
16:28:39 <fesch> js: do whatever you need to do audio over webex
16:28:40 <MichaelC> -> https://mit.webex.com/ MIT WebEx
16:28:58 <fesch> js: will continue to use IRC
16:29:15 <fesch> js: need to record your  attendence
16:29:33 <fesch> js: webex can call you
16:29:36 <janina> q?
16:29:45 <MichaelC> q+ jamesn
16:30:07 <fesch> cs: can I call from a phone?
16:30:51 <fesch> mc: don't know of a touch tone method to get on the queue
16:31:15 <fesch> mc: can get the conference code and dial in
16:31:25 <fesch> mc: code will be different for every meeting
16:31:52 <fesch> mc: code not mnemonic
16:31:52 <MichaelC> ack c
16:31:54 <MichaelC> ack j
16:31:59 <MichaelC> ack j
16:32:09 <fesch> jn: code different each week?
16:32:13 <fesch> mc: no
16:32:27 <JF> Q+
16:33:02 <MichaelC> ack j
16:33:04 <fesch> js: each weekly call will have a code
16:33:29 <fesch> jf: you can set up a recurring meeting and keep the same code
16:33:42 <MichaelC> ack s
16:33:44 <janina> q?
16:33:51 <fesch> jf: can use a link (URI) to access it
16:34:18 <MichaelC> q+
16:34:22 <fesch> sm: on reason to use webex is for screen sharing are we using that?
16:34:33 <fesch> JS: not using screen sharing
16:34:34 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about screen sharing
16:34:41 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about ¨interim solution¨
16:35:17 <fesch> js: can create a astrix solution
16:35:29 <fesch> js: I think that cost is an issue
16:36:17 <fesch> js: might be a misunderstanding on what it takes to support a 100 users over SIP with an astrix server
16:36:28 <MichaelC> ack me
16:36:28 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to talk about screen sharing and to talk about ¨interim solution¨
16:36:52 <fesch> mc: cost of zakim will become $50K a month...
16:37:36 <fesch> js: axtrix should also have built in web RTC support
16:39:16 <fesch> mc: webex has screensharing, most likely not accessible ... discovered strange issues with presenter status being stolen... don't plan to use it, except in exceptional cases
16:39:16 <MichaelC> ack c
16:39:20 <janina> ack c
16:39:57 <fesch> js: thanks Shane for looking at astrix
16:41:08 <fesch> js: most POTS, would expect more SIP, have more SKYPE users
16:42:12 <fesch> js: a lot of companies use SIP calls internally
16:42:47 <fesch> cs: are their accessible SIP clients?
16:42:51 <fesch> js: yes
16:43:33 <janina> zakim, next item
16:43:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:44:09 <fesch> action-1615
16:44:09 <trackbot> action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN
16:44:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
16:44:09 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:44:09 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:44:11 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:44:11 <Zakim> 6. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD [from janina]
16:44:13 <janina> zakim, next item
16:44:13 <Zakim> agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD" taken up [from janina]
16:44:31 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ Credential Management Level 1
16:44:33 <fesch> mc: no new last calls or CR
16:46:09 <fesch> sm: already reviewing... this is really password management
16:46:12 <MichaelC> action: shane to review Credential Management Level 1 http://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/
16:46:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1631 - Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ [on Shane McCarron - due 2015-05-13].
16:46:53 <janina> zakim, next item
16:46:53 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
16:46:59 <janina> q?
16:47:02 <janina> ack sh
16:47:05 <janina> q?
16:47:10 <janina> zakim, next item
16:47:10 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:47:36 <fesch> zakim, take up item 7
16:47:36 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:47:50 <fesch> mc: no community groups this week
16:48:09 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:48:09 <Zakim> agendum 7 was just opened, fesch
16:48:20 <fesch> zakim, close item
16:48:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', fesch
16:48:31 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:48:34 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
16:48:34 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:48:35 <Zakim> 8. Rechartering Continued [from janina]
16:48:41 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 8
16:48:41 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:49:17 <fesch> js: conversations have slowed down,  drafts of charters... both together and split
16:49:34 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/draft-apa-charter Draft updates to the APA charter
16:50:32 <fesch> mc: minor changes to existing group
16:50:32 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/draft-aria-charter Draft ARIA charter
16:51:08 <fesch> mc: two other charters if we split, ARIA might not be a good name
16:51:10 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/draft-spec-charter Draft spec review charter
16:52:18 <fesch> mc: take over non recommendation track doc work
16:52:23 <janina> ack c
16:52:51 <MichaelC> Web Technology Accessibility Guidelines
16:53:12 <fesch> cs: where would Web Technology Accessibility Guidelines go?
16:53:40 <fesch> mc: spec review group - as a working group note - would be cool if it were rec track...
16:54:30 <fesch> cs: don't know how seriously it would be taken as a note
16:54:44 <fesch> mc: we should discuss that
16:55:02 <MichaelC> ack s
16:55:03 <fesch> mc: it is in the spec review charter
16:55:46 <fesch> sm: CR only applies to normative requirements,  if no normative requirements we don't have to worry about it
16:55:52 <joanie> q+ to ask about ARIA deliverables on the milestones
16:56:02 <janina> ack j
16:56:02 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask about ARIA deliverables on the milestones
16:57:23 <Zakim> -JF
16:57:57 <fesch> jd: on draft ARIA charter, for ARIA 1.1, milestone table - do we plan to be ARIA 1.1 feature frozen by July 2015?
16:58:32 <fesch> mc: milestones same in charters, but are out of date, should talk about that before sending charter forward
16:58:37 <janina> ack c
16:58:53 <fesch> cs: ARIA 2.0 is not in the charter
16:59:04 <joanie> +1 to 2.0 in the charter
16:59:10 <fesch> cs: would like to see ARIA 2.0 in the charter
16:59:34 <fesch> mc: wording says ARIA 1.1 and later... which allows us to work on it
16:59:54 <fesch> rs: I don't think we can wait more than 3 years to work on ARIA 2.0
17:00:01 <Zakim> +Tzviya
17:00:10 <janina> ack s
17:00:13 <fesch> mc: have 9 docs, need a reasonable time line
17:00:41 <fesch> sm: need to give subgroups an action to come back with it next week
17:01:11 <fesch> rs: want to discuss extension issues,   what is happening with user context properties?
17:01:27 <fesch> mc: in draft ARIA charter
17:01:45 <fesch> rs: worried about having too much in the ARIA group
17:01:55 <fesch> rs: where is the COGA work?
17:02:10 <fesch> js: stays in APA
17:02:12 <Zakim> +Matt_King
17:02:44 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees
17:02:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fred_Esch, James_Nurthen, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Michael_Cooper, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, +1.612.406.aaaa, ShaneM, JF, Cynthia_Shelly, Tzviya,
17:02:47 <Zakim> ... Matt_King
17:02:53 <MichaelC> present- Tzviya
17:02:57 <MichaelC> present- Matt_King
17:03:14 <fesch> js: we have a call for consensus please respond
17:03:22 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:03:31 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
17:03:47 <Zakim> WAI_PF()12:00PM has been moved to #pf-editors by MichaelC
17:04:06 <fesch> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-pf-minutes.html fesch
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