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14:42:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2666
14:42:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
14:42:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
14:42:05 <trackbot> Date: 06 May 2015
14:42:41 <fjh> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015May/0010.html
14:43:03 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: annotation agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015May/0010.html code 2666
14:43:10 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:43:18 <fjh> Present+  Frederick_Hirsch
14:50:28 <fjh> Regrets+ Rob_Sanderson, Bill_Kasdorf, Jacob_Jett, Dave_Cramer, Ben_De_Meester, Ray_Denenberg,
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14:56:59 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
14:57:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:57:11 <fjh_> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:57:11 <Zakim> +fjh_; got it
14:58:20 <fjh_> Topic: Agenda Review, Scribe Selection, Announcements
14:59:46 <Zakim> +Matt_Haas
15:00:08 <fjh_> Present+ Matt_Haas
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15:00:37 <Matt_Haas> Present+ Matt_Haas
15:01:24 <Zakim> + +1.864.787.aaaa
15:01:52 <fjh_> zakim, aaaa is bigbluehat
15:01:52 <Zakim> +bigbluehat; got it
15:01:59 <Zakim> +TimCole
15:02:10 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
15:02:22 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
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15:02:54 <bigbluehat> I'm OK with cancelling
15:03:02 <bigbluehat> it'd be best to have people in the room ^_^
15:04:05 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
15:04:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh_, Matt_Haas, bigbluehat, TimCole, Doug_Schepers
15:04:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see MiguelAraCo, Matt_Haas, TimCole, fjh_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tantek, ivan, renoirb, Mitar, tessierashpool, KevinMarks, shepazu, oshepherd, rhiaro, ujvari_, nickstenn,
15:04:07 <Zakim> ... JakeHart, bret, bigbluehat, dwhly, csillag, trackbot
15:04:07 <Zakim> +??P6
15:04:17 <Zakim> -??P6
15:04:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:43 <MiguelAraCo> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:04:43 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
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15:05:11 <fjh_> Present+ Miguel_ Aragón
15:05:20 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
15:05:22 <Janina_> Present+ Janina_Sarol
15:05:53 <fjh_> ScribeNick: TimCole
15:06:07 <stain> stain has joined #annotation
15:06:17 <fjh_> Request for Search/Query use cases, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015May/0008.html
15:06:23 <fjh_> Miguel joined WG, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015May/0009.html
15:06:44 <stain> (I'm just lurking on IRC today)
15:06:54 <fjh_> Plans to switch from zakim to webex for calling in, next week
15:07:16 <fjh_> should be message on list in advance of next week’s call
15:07:35 <TimCole> fjh: Call on 20th will be cancelled.
15:07:38 <Zakim> + +36.2.020.7.aabb
15:07:51 <TimCole> fjh: we will have a call next week.
15:08:04 <csillag> zakim, aabb is me
15:08:04 <Zakim> +csillag; got it
15:08:12 <fjh_> Topic: Minutes Approval
15:08:14 <stain> (Note: Webex' Java client is not known to work too well on 64-bit Linux)
15:08:20 <TimCole> fjh: can we approve the f2f minutes?
15:08:26 <fjh_> proposed RESOLUTION:  F2F minutes from 22 April 2015 approved, see http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-annotation-minutes.html
15:08:40 <Zakim> +??P10
15:08:44 <fjh_> proposed RESOLUTION:  Teleconference minutes from 29 April 2015 approved, see http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-annotation-minutes.html
15:08:52 <TimCole> RESOLUTION:  F2F minutes from 22 April 2015 approved, see http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-annotation-minutes.html
15:08:53 <Zakim> -??P10
15:09:04 <TimCole> RESOLUTION:  Teleconference minutes from 29 April 2015 approved, see http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-annotation-minutes.html
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15:09:30 <fjh_> Present+ Kristof_Csillag
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15:09:33 <TimCole> fjh: Doug will briefly introduce the new draft re RangeFinder API
15:09:42 <fjh_> Topic:  Rangefinnder API
15:09:49 <fjh> https://specs.webplatform.org/rangefinder/w3c/master/
15:09:57 <TimCole> shepazu: will send instructions for annotating the new draft
15:10:02 <tilgovi> Present+ Randall_Leeds
15:10:27 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:10:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-annotation-minutes.html fjh
15:10:30 <shepazu> http://w3c.github.io/rangefinder/
15:10:40 <TimCole> ... updated version is currently at temporary location, will be in proper location this week.
15:11:00 <fjh> q+
15:11:01 <TimCole> ... annotating is relatively straightforward
15:11:11 <fjh> q-
15:11:39 <TimCole> fjh: on web platform it is not obvious how to annotate
15:11:46 <TimCole> shepazu: will fix this.
15:11:54 <fjh> obvious with icon on github.io draft
15:12:19 <TimCole> ... this is a radically simplified version of what was posted previously
15:12:24 <csillag> zakim, mute me
15:12:24 <Zakim> csillag should now be muted
15:12:40 <TimCole> ... examples have not been updated for syntax, but the ideas are still illustrated in the examples
15:13:04 <TimCole> ... there are now 2 interfaces: rangefinder and edit-distance
15:13:21 <TimCole> ... the latter is just a helper interface, though it can be used stand-alone.
15:14:02 <TimCole> ... the rangefinder itself: you still set certain parameters
15:14:17 <TimCole> ... you can say you are willing to accept an edit distance of X
15:14:35 <TimCole> ... if you don't set an edit distance than it will be treated as a string literal
15:14:51 <TimCole> ... you can set case-folding, unicode-folding, page-folding, etc.
15:15:26 <TimCole> ... most modern specs use algorithms; reduces questions, ambiguity
15:15:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:15:36 <TimCole> ... but they are not the most user friendly to read
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15:15:50 <TimCole> ... so this draft includes an explanation of the algorithms used
15:16:25 <TimCole> ... this is helpful for laying out the ideas of the algorithm as we go (i.e., to help write the algorithm)
15:16:41 <TimCole> ... two other items with this spec:
15:17:05 <TimCole> ... 1 - scope, which says I want to limit the search to a particluar part of a document
15:17:58 <TimCole> ... scope is derived from other specs and consists of start-range and ???
15:18:22 <TimCole> ... should be less work to implement this approach
15:18:32 <fjh> s/scope is/scope and start range are/
15:18:50 <TimCole> ... removed the custom and blocking / non-blocking stuff
15:19:07 <Zakim> + +1.434.971.aacc
15:19:10 <TimCole> ... changed the search method. Once you've filled in the parameters you say search.
15:19:12 <fjh> s/derived from other specs and consists of start-range and ???/ no longer define various selectors but relay on Range from DOM4, which need to be manually created/
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15:19:26 <davis_salisbury> present+
15:19:31 <TimCole> ... a promise is returned, which is like a call-back
15:19:40 <fjh> Present+ Davis_Salsbury
15:19:52 <TimCole> ... with chaining this should allow someone to introduce their own search algorithm
15:20:06 <fjh> q?
15:20:07 <TimCole> ... promise is less work than a simple call back
15:20:18 <takeshi> Present+ Takeshi_Kanai
15:20:24 <TimCole> ... still lets you do strict searching and fuzzy search
15:20:54 <TimCole> ... spec calls for consistency in how the results of the search are presented -- how search is done by the browser behind this is not specified.
15:21:12 <TimCole> fjh: should we defer discussion of the issues now or defer.
15:21:22 <TimCole> shepazu: probably should defer.
15:21:23 <fjh> q?
15:21:48 <TimCole> ... if anyone wants to talk about the issues in the current draft, please annotate or talk on list
15:22:09 <fjh> q?
15:22:15 <TimCole> fjh: back to WebEx
15:22:17 <fjh> Topic: WebEx
15:22:42 <TimCole> fjh: currently we use Zakim. You call in.
15:22:53 <TimCole> ... voice portion of call will change.
15:23:23 <TimCole> ... for WebEx you will call differently, but we will continue to use IRC as now
15:24:01 <TimCole> ... we will not use other features of WebEx except for the voice -- so we will not use WebEx chat, whiteboard, etc.
15:24:25 <TimCole> ... we want to try this sooner rather than later to identify any issues.
15:24:36 <TimCole> ... you will be able to call up to 10 minutes early.
15:25:03 <TimCole> shepazu: we have until June to switchover, but by starting earlier we can discover any issues.
15:25:24 <fjh> q?
15:25:32 <TimCole> fjh: the first time you use it WebEx may need to install software, so give yourself some lead time.
15:25:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:25:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh_, Matt_Haas, bigbluehat, TimCole, Doug_Schepers, MiguelAraCo, csillag (muted), [IPcaller], +1.434.971.aacc
15:25:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see davis_salisbury, takeshi, tilgovi, csillag1, stain, Janina_, MiguelAraCo, Matt_Haas, TimCole, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, renoirb, Mitar, tessierashpool,
15:25:38 <Zakim> ... KevinMarks, shepazu, oshepherd, rhiaro, ujvari_, nickstenn, JakeHart, bret, bigbluehat, dwhly, csillag, trackbot
15:26:06 <TimCole> fjh: we'll adjourn now. Talk next week. Week after is cancelled.
15:26:08 <csillag> zakin, unmute me
15:26:13 <csillag> zakim, unmute me
15:26:13 <Zakim> csillag should no longer be muted
15:26:14 <Zakim> -bigbluehat
15:26:14 <Zakim> -TimCole
15:26:16 <Zakim> -MiguelAraCo
15:26:16 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:26:17 <Zakim> - +1.434.971.aacc
15:26:19 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:26:20 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:26:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-annotation-minutes.html fjh
15:26:21 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:26:22 <Zakim> -fjh_
15:26:25 <Zakim> -csillag
15:26:25 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended
15:26:25 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh_, Matt_Haas, +1.864.787.aaaa, bigbluehat, TimCole, Doug_Schepers, MiguelAraCo, +36.2.020.7.aabb, csillag, [IPcaller], +1.434.971.aacc
15:26:44 <fjh> s/I'm OK with cancelling//
15:26:54 <fjh> s/it'd be best to have people in the room ^_^//
15:27:26 <fjh> i/Teleconference minutes from 29 April 2015/and
15:27:50 <fjh> s/back to WebEx//
15:28:18 <fjh> s/zakin, unmute me//
15:28:25 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:28:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-annotation-minutes.html fjh
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