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15:01:08 <clapierre> zakim, this is DPub_Dpub
15:01:08 <Zakim> ok, clapierre; that matches DPUB_DPUB A1()11:00AM
15:08:45 <clapierre> we need to talk to Ivan to get the document set up for our initial note to the W3C.
15:09:31 <clapierre> Deborah knows Github.
15:09:55 <clapierre> for publishing a Note we should be using the HTML framework that the W3C uses in github.
15:10:53 <clapierre> go to Ivan for questions.
15:11:47 <clapierre> topic: F2F meeting in NY with DPUB / BISG
15:11:51 <clapierre> BISG / A11Y DPUB W3C Agenda (45 minutes)
15:11:51 <clapierre> 
15:11:51 <clapierre> (10 min) Introductions (What are we currently working on)
15:11:51 <clapierre> 	DPUB (5 min) Charles 
15:11:52 <clapierre> 	BISG (5 min) Robin
15:11:52 <clapierre> 
15:11:52 <clapierre> (5 min) Area’s of potential collaboration 
15:11:53 <clapierre> 	•	level of coordination 
15:11:53 <clapierre> 	◦	best practices
15:11:53 <clapierre> 	◦	standards
15:11:54 <clapierre> 	•	Quick Start Guide (BISG)
15:11:54 <clapierre> 	•	George’s Base line doc
15:11:54 <clapierre> 	•	technical requirements (DPUB)
15:11:55 <clapierre> 	•	Top Tips (revised edition)
15:11:55 <clapierre> 	•	Possible Field Guide to accessibility (BISG) - TBD
15:11:55 <clapierre> 	•	EPUB Web
15:11:56 <clapierre> 	•	Other groups to reach out to (AAP, IDPF/Readium, DAISY, International associations — WIPO, IPA, PA, EDItEUR)
15:11:56 <clapierre> 
15:11:56 <clapierre> (25 min) Discussion of opportunities for collaboration  
15:11:57 <clapierre> 
15:11:57 <clapierre> (5 min) Wrap-up & Next steps
15:11:57 <clapierre> 	•	Ongoing email collaboration, phone meetings, 
15:11:58 <clapierre> 
15:11:58 <clapierre> 	•
15:12:04 <clapierre> scheduled for 2pm
15:12:14 <clapierre> scribe: clapierre
15:13:12 <clapierre> area's of collaboration is long
15:13:25 <clapierre> Julie should be copied on this email agenda.
15:13:32 <clapierre> deliverables?
15:14:21 <clapierre> DPUB what we want to accomplish, same for BISG what they want to accomplish
15:14:27 <clapierre> and what is the timeframe.
15:15:07 <clapierre> What does DPUB think is the goal.
15:15:41 <clapierre> George wrote that baseline document that could be the starting off point.
15:16:02 <clapierre> it may tie to WCAG and then back to the document.
15:16:34 <clapierre> george, Robin wants to update the top tips document and align with the baseline document
15:16:52 <clapierre> … baseline in education is different than trade.
15:17:04 <clapierre> tzviya, toptips is epub specific
15:17:30 <clapierre> george, we don't want to contradict eachother
15:18:34 <clapierre> tzviya, documentation ARIA / HTML for coding of HTML there is a difference between epub vs web
15:21:38 <clapierre> …, how can we work with BISG
15:22:22 <clapierre> deborah, two big items.  1) Note to W3C,  2) Collaboration with BISG.
15:23:16 <clapierre> tzviya, BISG educate content creators for educators
15:23:39 <clapierre> deborah, BISG WAI guidline experts
15:24:58 <tzviya> s/for educators/for implementation
15:25:03 <clapierre> …, stress: our task force has 2 sets of audiences: 1: Note to W3C guideline creators, BISG content creators.
15:26:52 <clapierre> george, people working outside of epub should be able to use what BISG produces.  If you apply what DPUB produces there should be harmony between what BISG produces.
15:27:24 <Zakim> + +1.415.400.aabb
15:27:29 <clapierre> HTML document producer should be applying the same criteria as the Quickstart guide.
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15:34:58 <clapierre> deborah, back to BISG / DPUB meeting.  what can we bring to the table
15:36:00 <clapierre> …, easies thing to talk about is epub, as far as epub the right thing to say is here is the links to existing tutorials etc.
15:36:10 <clapierre> …, what is digital publishing when it isn't epub?
15:37:00 <clapierre> tzviya, epubweb - DPUB technical consultants?
15:38:02 <clapierre> tzviya, maybe future of this TF for epubweb where documents could be exploded, and how to navigate them.
15:38:24 <clapierre> tzviya, epubweb is a concept at this point.
15:38:41 <clapierre> …, epub 3.1 is beginning
15:39:16 <clapierre> george, start looking at epubweb and start looking at what we need to address for the future
15:39:57 <clapierre> tzviya, f2f meeting packaging, identification of elements.
15:40:03 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
15:40:23 <clapierre> …, agenda for f2f, this TF eye to the future
15:40:28 <Zakim> +dkaplan3
15:40:57 <clapierre> …, BISG coming out with best practices, and our job would be to see if it matches with what the future
15:43:58 <clapierre> tzviya, BISG writes the documents, and DPUB/A11Y reviews the documents and offers comments
15:44:48 <clapierre> george, potential conflict.  Image longdesc (A) rec in WCAG easy to understand but hard to do, could cause problems.
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15:45:56 <clapierre> george, in our document we can say what best practices are for specific issues.
15:46:59 <clapierre> …, (A) use alt text, and if its too long then it should be longdesc to describe the image completely
15:48:21 <clapierre> deborah, WCAG and BISG align but not perfectly and DPUB's job would be to smooth that out…
15:48:45 <clapierre> …, what is our job of DPUB A11Y TF with regards to BISG…
15:50:04 <clapierre> tzviya, once this note is published (existing spec, what is missing) what publishers need is where we can collaborate with BISG
15:50:27 <clapierre> …., roll of this IG will shift when we recharter this IG.
15:51:04 <clapierre> george, we exist to make sure the a11y features / functions are in epubweb
15:51:38 <clapierre> tzviya, daisy has a lot for a11y (eg. skip ability)
15:52:16 <clapierre> …, navigation on web (using nav element)  proper reading order is not easy
15:53:20 <clapierre> …, as this note gets published, we need to reach out to Julie BISG
15:53:55 <clapierre> …, web must have at least the same amount of a11y as we had from Daisy for example
15:54:34 <clapierre> george, there will be new technologies that will need a11y.
15:55:01 <clapierre> tzviya, Mark H. is doing a lot with elements for web
15:55:25 <tzviya> s/elements for web/web components for assessments
15:57:36 <clapierre> deborah, our goal is liaison between BISG and w3c, if BISG has request for W3C for a11y needs, and convey information about new things (both directions)
15:58:08 <clapierre> george, epubweb future of a11y is the focus of this A11Y TF.
15:58:28 <clapierre> …, draw on what has been done before, and encourage invations
15:58:47 <clapierre> deborah, action item:
15:59:03 <Zakim> -Tzviya
15:59:05 <Zakim> -George_Kerscher
15:59:07 <Zakim> - +1.415.400.aabb
15:59:07 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
15:59:13 <clapierre> tyzvia reah out to Julie and Robin to firm up the agenda for our F2F meeting.
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15:59:20 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUB A1()11:00AM has ended
15:59:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, George_Kerscher, +1.408.979.aaaa, dkaplan3, +1.415.400.aabb
15:59:41 <clapierre> zakim, aabb is MiaL
15:59:41 <Zakim> sorry, clapierre, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:00:45 <clapierre> Mia L. was also in attendance
16:01:09 <clapierre> :)
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