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14:40:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
14:40:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
14:40:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:40:25 <trackbot> Date: 30 April 2015
14:40:45 <Kim> chair: Kimberly_Patch
14:42:15 <Kim> agenda:  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Apr/0023.html
14:42:22 <Kim> agenda?
14:44:01 <Kim> agenda+ Perceivable Best Practices
14:44:02 <Kim> agenda+ Best Practices assignments
14:44:04 <Kim> agenda+ Next steps – next meeting Thursday, May 7
14:48:23 <Kim> Regrets+ David_MacDonald, Alan_Smith
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14:56:03 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
14:56:10 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
14:59:27 <Zakim> +Detlev
14:59:33 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:00:30 <Zakim> +Jeanne
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15:02:27 <jeanne> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Jeanne
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15:03:13 <Kim> regrets+ Kathy_Wahbin, Jan_Richards
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15:04:27 <Detlev> scribe: Detlev
15:04:42 <Detlev> zakim, take up next
15:04:42 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Perceivable Best Practices" taken up [from Kim]
15:05:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:26 <Zakim> +jon_avila
15:05:27 <jeanne> zakim, IPcaller is Henny
15:05:27 <Zakim> +Henny; got it
15:06:07 <Detlev> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Perceivable_Techniques
15:06:16 <Kim> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
15:06:38 <Kim> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/
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15:07:06 <Detlev> Kim: M-numbered techiques from original assignments
15:08:05 <Detlev> Kim: Anything under small screen size that can translatr to best practice or technque?
15:08:27 <Detlev> Jon: Difference betweeen small screen size and magnification
15:08:44 <Detlev> Jon; sent an email about that to list
15:09:09 <Kim> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Apr/0026.html
15:10:19 <Detlev> Jon: Under zoom there is a larger topic: resize text, restrictions on elements that will not zoom, for example
15:10:49 <Detlev> Marc: Is that adressing failures or techniques?
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15:11:05 <Zakim> +AWK
15:11:13 <Detlev> Jon: Failures should be mire general, techniques more specific
15:11:34 <Detlev> Jon: issues with VW units
15:11:55 <Detlev> Jon: issues arise because screen size is smaller
15:12:57 <Detlev> Jeane: what is this CSS issue (esantd zto pick up elsewhere)
15:13:35 <Detlev> Jon; VW units define size relative to the screen width
15:14:21 <jon_avila> http://codepen.io/vcurd/full/ByerKw
15:14:26 <Detlev> Jon: used to preserve the look of something regardless of font size
15:15:00 <Detlev> Jon: There's a discussion on the mobile a11y list around that
15:15:57 <Detlev> Jon: Issues aries on mobile due to small size - needs more testing
15:16:24 <Detlev> Jeanne: Text did enlarge in Firefox (desktop)
15:17:17 <Detlev> Jeanne: VW units does not restrict resizing but defines the way it does
15:17:45 <Detlev> Jeanne: many things thst crop up that go unnoticed so importsant to call them out
15:18:16 <Detlev> Kim: looking at example on iphone and all lines are enlarging
15:19:16 <Detlev> Marc: Looking on it on an Android and it works there, too - not just increasing the font size but everything
15:20:28 <Detlev> Kim: different scenarios, mobile and desktop - different to define  common rules
15:21:12 <Detlev> Marc: middle line starts of smaller than on desktop (Chrome on Android)
15:21:57 <Detlev> Jeanne: Need to set up better test - having a hard time finding out how it is coded, there are many other things in that example
15:22:46 <Detlev> Kim: Opening it in Vivaldi - lines initially the same size
15:22:59 <marcjohlic> .vws {
15:23:01 <marcjohlic>     font-size: 1vw;
15:23:02 <marcjohlic> }
15:23:13 <marcjohlic> <p class="vws">
15:23:15 <marcjohlic>     The font size of this paragraph is set in viewport…
15:23:16 <marcjohlic> </p>
15:24:03 <Detlev> Jeanne: aparently very different browser implementations
15:24:15 <Detlev> Kim: Other issues / technique?
15:25:45 <Detlev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMC3Ev7CaDw
15:27:58 <Detlev> Captions not visible on mobile devices - they can be made visible on desktop, not in Chrome on Android - possibly leading to a technique .. not sure
15:29:19 <Detlev> Jon: are captions turned on on the OS settings? In this video they are nit displayed even with captions enabled on the OS level
15:30:06 <Detlev> Kim: anyone with devices where captions are enabled and ARE shown?
15:31:09 <Detlev> may be control missing
15:31:32 <Detlev> Kim: No luck in Safari iOS
15:32:20 <Detlev> Henny: in Youtube app on iOS it says no captions available
15:32:26 <jeanne> jeanne: I have captions turned on in iOS 8.3 and am not seeing captions or a control to turn on captions in Ted.com player in Safari.
15:33:43 <Detlev> Marc: wondering if the auto-generating feature does not work on mobile or if they supplied a caption file
15:33:55 <Detlev> Kim: How would a TED video be different?
15:34:41 <Detlev> Marc: works fine in TED app
15:35:04 <Detlev> Jeanne: DId not open captions in Safari
15:35:33 <Detlev> Marc: Android /Chrome does not offer a caption option to enable captiond
15:36:08 <Detlev> Andrew: on iOS and Android it is doen for OS preferences / caption setttings
15:36:25 <Detlev> Marc: Captions on on Nexus five, still not shown
15:36:57 <Detlev> Marc: Player doesnot honour settings - is it an issue for web developers?
15:37:50 <Detlev> Kim: Not getting captions on TED video when downloading
15:38:16 <Detlev> Andrew: three verical dots show caption button -
15:38:32 <Detlev> Jon: but not on the example sent earlier -
15:38:55 <Detlev> Marc: may be down to being explicitly provided vs. auto-generated
15:39:47 <jon_avila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEQ-wfJisBA
15:40:54 <Detlev> Marc: TED app on android dod provide captions not seen via Chrome
15:41:20 <AWK> I'm sure that we could get the low-down on how youtube does this via Loretta or Ken Harrenstein
15:41:32 <Detlev> UAAG or WCAG issue?
15:41:45 <Detlev> Jeane: more a UA issue should be flagged
15:41:58 <Detlev> Kim: should be put into the use cases
15:42:35 <Detlev> Kim: TED app works on ANdroid, browsers did not
15:42:59 <Detlev> Kim: jeanne, where's the best place for it?
15:43:19 <Detlev> Jeanne: taking note for UAAG
15:43:56 <Detlev> Jeanne: Separate WIKI page for UAAG issues related to mobile
15:44:21 <Detlev> Kim: Also check on a variety of browsers
15:45:12 <Detlev> Kim: Getting back to perceivable techniques related to small screen size? Everythign covered?
15:45:23 <Detlev> Kim: ANythign on zoom mag issues
15:46:25 <Detlev> Kim: Contrast? Anything mobile techniques / best practices here?
15:49:28 <Detlev> Jon: Issues related to calculate point size at which you apply lower contrast requiremnets (3:1)
15:50:07 <Detlev> Jon: We need a sufficient technique for people to test that - its in the mobile note
15:50:24 <Detlev> Jon: Will come up with wording
15:50:56 <Detlev> Jon: Possibly also advisory techniques with more stringent contrast requirements
15:52:35 <Detlev> Detlev: Check where a11y features set at OS apply to browser content
15:53:22 <Detlev> Jon: If it works users can be asked to turn on settings to achieve higher contrast
15:53:36 <Detlev> Kim: What is the situation across OSs?
15:54:17 <Detlev> Jon: easy on iOS but there are many Android skins where OS setting may be supported or not
15:54:34 <Detlev> Kim; can we rely on that then? How do we handle that?
15:55:07 <Detlev> Jeanne: WCAG can say where the technique applies (bound to OS ect)
15:56:04 <Detlev> Jeanne: has to be handled by differentiating betwen different OS / UA etc
15:58:04 <Detlev> Like Accessessibility support - if not sufficiently supported then it is not a good candidate for a sufficient technique
15:58:35 <AWK> q+ people may be interested in settlement with EdX and US DOJ - mentions the mobile TF! http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/04/02/edx_settlement_agreement.pdf
15:58:36 <Detlev> Jeanne: Zakim is going to be phased out (end of June)
15:58:54 <AWK> q+ to say people may be interested in settlement with EdX and US DOJ - mentions the mobile TF! http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/04/02/edx_settlement_agreement.pdf
15:59:29 <Detlev> MIT has stopped funding Zakim so we need to move to WebX
15:59:38 <jeanne> WebEx
15:59:54 <Detlev> WebEx can call US!
16:00:04 <marcjohlic> q+ to say found that html5 captioned videos with <track> elements work fine in mobile browser - and question about mobile techniques notes
16:00:13 <Detlev> Zakim will not tell us who is on the call
16:00:35 <Detlev> Jeanne: we are losing some and gaining some
16:01:09 <Detlev> Andrew: Trials to day with iOS app - worked well - there may be a11y issues
16:01:27 <Detlev> Andrew: Talking about a11y settle ment (quoted above)
16:02:08 <marcjohlic> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/
16:02:11 <marcjohlic> http://iandevlin.github.io/mdn/video-player-with-captions/
16:02:12 <Detlev> Andrew: mobile TF was referenced even if it wasn't normative
16:02:22 <marcjohlic> https://developers.google.com/youtube/2.0/developers_guide_protocol_captions
16:02:49 <Detlev> Marc: HTML5 video &  track element seems to work -
16:03:42 <Detlev> Marc: Note at broad audience to look at features - some confusion due to different numbering of mobile note vs. WCAG numbering
16:03:50 <Zakim> -AWK
16:03:55 <Zakim> -jon_avila
16:04:10 <Zakim> -Henny
16:04:33 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:04:36 <Detlev> Zakim, list participants
16:04:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Jeanne, jon_avila, Henny, AWK
16:04:59 <Zakim> -Jeanne
16:05:08 <Detlev> RRSagent, make minutes
16:05:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Detlev
16:06:05 <Detlev> RRSagent, bye
16:06:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items