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14:07:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:07:30 <trackbot> Date: 27 April 2015
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14:58:06 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:06 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:59:03 <tzviya> agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Apr/0098.html
14:59:19 <LDawson> 917-770.aaaa is me
14:59:25 <Zakim> +??P2
14:59:27 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is LDawson
14:59:27 <Zakim> +LDawson; got it
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14:59:51 <mgylling_> zakim, who is here?
14:59:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, Tzviya, azaroth, Ivan, philm, Markus, LDawson, Bill_Kasdorf, ??P2
14:59:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see AH_Miller, mgylling_, NickRuffilo, Bill_Kasdorf, phil_m, philm, tzviya, LDawson, azaroth, pkeating, clapierre1, mgylling, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pkra, ivan, plinss,
14:59:54 <Zakim> ... iank, rego, astearns, mihnea_____, liam, Karen, deborahGU, trackbot
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14:59:58 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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15:00:22 <NickRuffilo> zakim, +??P2 is me
15:00:22 <Zakim> sorry, NickRuffilo, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
15:00:35 <Zakim> +lfowler
15:00:35 <ivan> zakim, aabb is pkeating
15:00:36 <Zakim> +pkeating; got it
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15:01:14 <NickRuffilo> Thank you dave
15:01:28 <NickRuffilo> Zakim, I'm sorry, it's me, not you, but I will not be scribe today
15:01:28 <Zakim> I don't understand you, NickRuffilo
15:01:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:01:43 <ivan> scribenick: dauwhe
15:01:46 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
15:01:50 <NickRuffilo> Zakim, I know, its me, not you...
15:01:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I know, its me, not you', NickRuffilo
15:02:41 <Zakim> -pkra
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15:03:22 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/20-dpub-minutes.html
15:03:23 <Zakim> +pbelfanti
15:03:33 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's look at last week's minutes
15:03:38 <dauwhe> ... motion to accept?
15:03:42 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved.
15:03:56 <dauwhe> ... today's agenda
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15:04:08 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Apr/0098.html
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15:04:23 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Apr/0098.html
15:04:25 <TimCole> q+
15:04:27 <dauwhe> ... discuss STEM survey results, and then IDs and selectors
15:04:38 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
15:04:42 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
15:04:42 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
15:04:44 <Zakim> +Bert
15:04:45 <mgylling> ack TimeCole
15:04:45 <tzviya> ack timCole
15:04:58 <dauwhe> TimCole: We have an agenda to discuss footnotes and HTML
15:05:16 <ivan> Topic: STEM Survey
15:05:28 <dauwhe> pkra: first look at survery
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15:05:47 <dauwhe> ... 34 responses
15:05:56 <dauwhe> ... sent to 93 people
15:06:03 <dauwhe> ... ok result, but not too exciting
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15:06:13 <dauwhe> ... people don't feel qualified to answer
15:06:36 <dauwhe> ... good coverage on all questions
15:06:49 <dauwhe> ... 37 questions total
15:06:59 <dauwhe> ... there's an unsurprising bias towards math
15:07:11 <dauwhe> ... partly due to me leading the survey
15:07:20 <dauwhe> ... lots of people talked about mathml
15:07:29 <dauwhe> ... it wasn't a random sample
15:07:39 <dauwhe> ... run through a few of the questions
15:08:05 <dauwhe> ... first section was about background
15:08:10 <dauwhe> ... bias towards CS and math
15:08:26 <dauwhe> ... 2nd was professional background
15:08:38 <dauwhe> ... didn't have a lot of ???
15:08:48 <ivan> s/???/aggregators/
15:08:52 <dauwhe> ... most people were researchers
15:09:24 <dauwhe> ... researchers were primary audience
15:09:36 <dauwhe> ... we forgot to ask about students as audience
15:10:04 <dauwhe> ... which platforms people serve
15:10:18 <dauwhe> ... a few comments pointed to "the web is our platform"
15:10:30 <dauwhe> ... most people were focusing on desktop
15:10:49 <dauwhe> ... on the low end was print and ebooks
15:11:11 <dauwhe> ... next section was about content
15:11:17 <dauwhe> ... subject domains
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15:11:54 <dauwhe> ... the question about reusing content was unclear
15:12:11 <dauwhe> ... "were people actively reusing content"
15:12:22 <dauwhe> ... prev. q was about making content resuable
15:12:30 <dauwhe> ... so people just repeated answer
15:12:37 <dauwhe> ... there was q about standardization
15:12:48 <dauwhe> ... there will be fun quotes from that
15:13:02 <pkra> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/results
15:13:22 <dauwhe> ... next section about authoring
15:13:28 <dauwhe> ... there were a couple of problems
15:13:36 <dauwhe> ... first question didn't get responses we wanted
15:13:54 <dauwhe> ... should have asked explicitly about STEM fragments
15:14:15 <dauwhe> ... want to know why people lose information when converting
15:14:25 <dauwhe> ... but questions were too vague
15:14:41 <dauwhe> ... people talked about transformation of text formats
15:15:30 <dauwhe> ... surprised to hear people do version control, did mention things like git
15:15:54 <dauwhe> ... "we see more and more JSON in scholarly publishing"
15:16:04 <dauwhe> ... that was unexpected answer to STEM fragment storage question
15:16:10 <dauwhe> ... and very positive
15:16:24 <tzviya> q?
15:16:34 <dauwhe> ivan: are some formats other than MathML that are widely used?
15:16:46 <dauwhe> pkra: one question asked that
15:16:50 <dauwhe> ... not at this point
15:17:11 <dauwhe> ... alas, I don't have all the data in my head :)
15:17:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: question 21, maybe?
15:17:26 <dauwhe> pkra: yes, 21
15:17:40 <dauwhe> ... CML
15:17:52 <dauwhe> ... there isn't that much
15:18:19 <dauwhe> ... someone from Wolfram had CDS
15:18:28 <dauwhe> ... not as much as I'd hoped
15:18:35 <tzviya> q?
15:18:43 <dauwhe> ... in the authoring section
15:19:06 <dauwhe> ... Q15, how do people provide access to content fragments
15:19:18 <dauwhe> ... that was a good result
15:19:28 <dauwhe> ... people are used to using XML
15:19:43 <dauwhe> ... next section on delivery
15:19:47 <dauwhe> ... how is content delivered
15:19:59 <dauwhe> ... HTML was ahead of PDF
15:20:08 <dauwhe> ... 32% to 26%
15:20:20 <dauwhe> ... most produce both
15:20:59 <dauwhe> ... there was an open question about desired methods
15:21:04 <dauwhe> ... with ten longer comments
15:21:19 <dauwhe> ... Q about migrating away from PDF
15:21:24 <dauwhe> ... people said Yes
15:21:47 <dauwhe> ... not enthusiastic about PDF but said they have to
15:22:03 <dauwhe> ... Q about exposing data on web
15:22:11 <dauwhe> ... answers were all over the place
15:22:44 <dauwhe> ... Q about embedding scientific data via attributes, microdata, etc.
15:22:52 <dauwhe> ... quite a bit of stuff there
15:23:05 <dauwhe> tzviya: more summary would be good
15:23:08 <tzviya> q?
15:23:38 <dauwhe> pkra: we didn't mention stem fragments again when asking about bridging reading and authoring
15:23:47 <dauwhe> ... lots of fun quotes about reading
15:23:55 <dauwhe> ... the workflow section was tricky to write
15:24:06 <dauwhe> ... similarly solid in results, no surprises but good data
15:24:15 <dauwhe> ... PDF comes up because we have to
15:24:30 <dauwhe> ... a11y section I haven't looked at much
15:24:37 <dauwhe> ... that was a challenging section
15:24:50 <dauwhe> ... more answers about people not having expertise or answers
15:24:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: I have a few questions
15:25:03 <dauwhe> ... first
15:25:20 <dauwhe> ... everyone should read through this even if STEM isn't your bag
15:25:29 <dauwhe> ... thanks PKRA!
15:25:47 <dauwhe> ... so what do we do next? There's a lot of information here, and it's all over the place
15:26:00 <dauwhe> ... might be helpful to focus on a few points and go from there
15:26:10 <tzviya> q?
15:26:24 <dauwhe> pkra: one challenge is to extract data in efficient way to spreadsheet
15:26:37 <dauwhe> ... yes, it's a lot, and it's not clear what to focus on
15:26:45 <dauwhe> ... a meeting of task force will help
15:26:53 <dauwhe> ... to get an in-depth summary
15:27:02 <dauwhe> ... original idea was to publish a note by the IG
15:27:18 <dauwhe> ... but the input in some sections is not viable
15:27:30 <dauwhe> ... for example, a11y is not balanced enough to provide good feedback
15:27:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:27:54 <dauwhe> tzviya: if we try to write a note summarizing everything, it would be huge
15:28:14 <dauwhe> pkra: would be good to make data avaliable in anonymized fashion
15:28:23 <dauwhe> ivan: I've already produced a spreadsheet
15:28:28 <dauwhe> ... so I can just remove a column
15:28:40 <dauwhe> pkra: yes, but maybe that's a different conversation
15:28:46 <dauwhe> ... I had trouble with the spreadsheet
15:29:00 <dauwhe> ... Ivan, is it legally possible to publish data?
15:29:10 <dauwhe> ivan: if it's anonymous, then it's not a problem
15:29:18 <astearns> not just names, but any identifying details in free-form responses
15:29:20 <dauwhe> pkra: then the note can be much more focused
15:29:39 <dauwhe> ... it's all anecdotal
15:29:42 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:30:00 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: while the anon. data are useful, what's most important are the messages
15:30:11 <dauwhe> ... sometimes they're clear and sometimes they're contradictory
15:30:20 <dauwhe> ... don't need to cover all issues equally
15:30:28 <dauwhe> ... what did we hear that was notable?
15:30:32 <dauwhe> pkra: I agree
15:30:43 <dauwhe> tzviya: OK. Any other comments?
15:30:55 <dauwhe> ivan: You also need people around you?
15:31:08 <dauwhe> pkra: I will rely on the task force, but more people will be great.
15:31:29 <NickRuffilo> q+
15:31:31 <dauwhe> ivan: if anyone in the group has some experience in managing survey results, volunteer!
15:31:42 <tzviya> ack Nick
15:31:45 <dauwhe> pkra: I'm also not experienced
15:31:52 <dauwhe> NickRuffilo: I've done this
15:31:56 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:32:15 <dauwhe> ... if you have any questions about creating non-leading questions or analyzing results, please let me know
15:32:35 <dauwhe> ... I'll pull up articles I've written about this
15:32:53 <tzviya> ack Bill
15:32:57 <dauwhe> tzviya: NickRuffilo is our new favorite
15:33:15 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: too much reliance on statistical analysis would be suspect due to the small and biased sample
15:33:17 <pkra> +eleventy
15:33:20 <dauwhe> ... more an editorial task
15:33:35 <Karen> q+
15:33:42 <tzviya> ack Karen
15:34:26 <NickRuffilo> Excel TIPS: http://publishingperspectives.com/2013/01/tips-for-technologists-7-excel-with-excel/
15:34:30 <dauwhe> Karen: do I have confidence this is not public, just members-only? I don't think raw results should be public
15:34:34 <dauwhe> ivan: we can check
15:34:51 <dauwhe> pkra: it's always asked me to log in
15:34:55 <dauwhe> ivan: it's not public
15:35:11 <dauwhe> Karen: OK. If there's a quote, it will not be attributed?
15:35:21 <dauwhe> ... more a qualitative report
15:35:28 <dauwhe> ivan: it should never be quoted or attributed
15:35:40 <dauwhe> pkra: most people would be oK with that
15:35:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: we've never asked permission to quote people
15:36:17 <dauwhe> ... we have our existing STEM task force, and Nick has been drafted.
15:36:17 <Karen> q+
15:36:23 <tzviya> ack Karen
15:36:40 <pkra> or otherwise shanghai you ;-)
15:36:53 <dauwhe> Karen: we have a replacement AC rep for Copyright Clearance center, who may be interested in STEM
15:37:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: thanks Karen.
15:37:07 <dauwhe> ... moving on...
15:37:19 <ivan> Topic: Fragment ID-s
15:37:23 <dauwhe> ... a few weeks ago there was a discussion about fragment identifiers
15:37:31 <tzviya> topic: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015Apr/0051.html
15:37:32 <dauwhe> ... which ended up on the annotations list
15:37:46 <dauwhe> ... Ivan will lead us through this
15:37:53 <dauwhe> ivan: I didn't know I was going to do this :)
15:38:03 <dauwhe> tzviya: lots of discussion on what makes a legal identifier
15:38:08 <dauwhe> ivan: is rob around?
15:38:46 <dauwhe> ivan: we discussed that three weeks ago that the model for selectors in open annotations document
15:38:58 <dauwhe> ... is in fact a very rich and powerful collection of terms
15:39:52 <tzviya> ivan: perhaps starting with position of open anno is a good
15:39:59 <tzviya> ...not bound to one media type
15:40:34 <tzviya> ...the model is an abstract model, not described in terms of URI
15:40:46 <tzviya> ...perhaps it's possible to turn it into fragment ID
15:41:15 <tzviya> ...then there was further discussion of when a frag ID is legal, etc
15:41:26 <tzviya> Rob's position: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015Apr/0054.html
15:44:24 <dauwhe> ivan: the fundamental issue is the following
15:44:43 <dauwhe> ... a fragment identifier is bound to a specific media type
15:44:53 <dauwhe> ... you must register for each and every media type
15:45:14 <dauwhe> ... so you can't just declare the OA model for the entire world
15:45:26 <dauwhe> ... if we go down that route and use the selector model
15:45:36 <dauwhe> ... the correct way is we define them as part of a URI
15:45:43 <Zakim> -lfowler
15:45:50 <dauwhe> ... and then we register them for some of the media types for which they are useful
15:45:56 <dauwhe> ... html, svg, etc.
15:46:01 <dauwhe> ... we can do that
15:46:15 <dauwhe> ... then it can be combined with other mechanisms as it's done with web packaging
15:46:36 <dauwhe> ... it's not clear to me who should work on this
15:46:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:47:01 <dauwhe> ... I have the impression that there's some sort of agreement that if we restrict by media types we can do this
15:47:17 <TimCole> q+
15:47:17 <dauwhe> ... azaroth, is this a fair summary?
15:47:21 <dauwhe> azaroth: yes, that's it
15:47:23 <tzviya> ack Bill
15:47:35 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: keeping in mind the mission of the various groups
15:47:47 <dauwhe> ... DPUB is expressing needs, not writing standards
15:48:04 <dauwhe> ... I have a strong interest in what Anno WG comes up with
15:48:27 <dauwhe> ... as far as DPUB, our job is to surface the issue and work with the appropriate WG
15:48:48 <dauwhe> ... the OA model you recommended came out of a ???
15:48:55 <ivan> s/???/CG/
15:49:00 <dauwhe> ... I'm not trying to wash my hands of it
15:49:07 <dauwhe> ivan: I understand and agree
15:49:11 <dauwhe> ... two comments
15:49:24 <dauwhe> ... we already do this approach with structural semantics where we're involved with PF
15:49:41 <dauwhe> ... the other thing is that we need to recharter this group
15:49:53 <dauwhe> ... maybe we can then go beyond what we have here
15:50:04 <tzviya> ack Tim
15:50:06 <dauwhe> ... we'll see where it goes after september
15:50:14 <TimCole> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-annotation-minutes.html
15:50:19 <dauwhe> TimCole: it was discussed at Anno F2F a bit
15:50:31 <dauwhe> ... if this is important to DPUB
15:50:39 <dauwhe> ... you need to push Anno WG
15:50:47 <dauwhe> ... talked about in context of rangefinder
15:50:54 <dauwhe> ... but it's not high on our priority list
15:51:07 <dauwhe> ... might be good to bring this up as collaborative
15:51:17 <dauwhe> ... the anno model allows lots of selectors
15:51:24 <dauwhe> ... not all will work as fragment identifiers
15:51:45 <tzviya> q+
15:51:55 <dauwhe> ... also, EPUB already has something that kindof works
15:51:58 <tzviya> ack tzviya
15:51:58 <dauwhe> ivan: I agree
15:52:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: we all are talking about epub cfi as if it solves the issues, but few people use it
15:52:28 <dauwhe> ... there are too many options
15:52:42 <dauwhe> ... it's still a multiple choice question
15:53:03 <dauwhe> ... i can use xpointer, I can use CFI, but what happens with packaging and building systems and epubweb
15:53:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:53:16 <dauwhe> ... those urls look like multi-part mime
15:53:32 <dauwhe> ... so maybe we should get used to those semicolons in URI
15:53:40 <dauwhe> ivan: for me, the packaged uris don't look that funny
15:53:55 <dauwhe> ... if you combine with packaging, what is done in the packaging spec is what should be done
15:54:03 <clapierre1> looks like Readium supports the EPUB CFI  https://github.com/readium/readium-cfi-js
15:54:06 <dauwhe> ... we are getting into technical discussions
15:54:11 <dauwhe> ... good topic for f2f
15:54:25 <dauwhe> ... we should have clear and clean idea of pros and cons of CFI
15:54:33 <dauwhe> ... it's in the same space as the selectors
15:54:41 <dauwhe> ... CFI provides you with a fragment ID
15:54:58 <dauwhe> ... is CFI was completely useful then the package spec approach combined with CFI and we are done
15:55:15 <dauwhe> ... so we need to have a clear idea in NY whether CFI works, or it does not work
15:55:25 <dauwhe> ... if it does not work, we need to look at alternatives
15:55:29 <dauwhe> tzviya: we have five minutes
15:55:31 <tzviya> ack Bill
15:56:03 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: don't want to conflict with anno
15:56:10 <dauwhe> tzviya: update on HTML footnote element
15:56:12 <ivan> Topic: HTML5 + Footnote
15:56:28 <dauwhe> ... we followed offline with berjon and michaelTMsmith
15:56:50 <dauwhe> ... HTML will not have a formal proposal for an element, so we should pursue role with aria
15:57:07 <dauwhe> ... in the past, some roles have been promoted to element in HTML
15:57:14 <dauwhe> ... so we're moving forward with ARIA role
15:57:19 <TimCole> q+
15:57:21 <dauwhe> ... maybe HTML will take it up in the future
15:57:26 <tzviya> ack TimCole
15:57:36 <dauwhe> TimCole: since most annos are third party
15:57:55 <dauwhe> ... there might be use cases where people mine footnotes as they mine annotations
15:58:13 <dauwhe> ... we should see how footnotes might be transformed into annotations
15:58:20 <dauwhe> ... we should keep that in mind
15:58:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: we agree
15:58:33 <dauwhe> ... footnotes are somewhere in the middle of content and annotations
15:58:38 <azaroth> +1 :)
15:58:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: let us know if you're coming to the f2f
15:59:05 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details
15:59:10 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
15:59:13 <Zakim> -pkra
15:59:16 <Zakim> -azaroth
15:59:16 <Zakim> -philm
15:59:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: see you next week
15:59:17 <Zakim> -astearns
15:59:17 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
15:59:18 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
15:59:18 <Zakim> -bjdmeest
15:59:19 <Zakim> -clapierre
15:59:19 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:59:19 <Zakim> -Tzviya
15:59:19 <Zakim> -deborahGU
15:59:21 <Zakim> -TimCole
15:59:21 <Zakim> -Markus
15:59:22 <Zakim> -LDawson
15:59:24 <Zakim> -Bert
15:59:27 <Zakim> -NickRuffilo
15:59:28 <Zakim> -pkeating
15:59:29 <Zakim> -dauwhe
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15:59:46 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:59:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikeMiller, Vlad
15:59:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, bjdmeest, pbelfanti, Vlad, AH_Miller, mgylling, tzviya, LDawson, clapierre1, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pkra, ivan, plinss, iank, rego, astearns, mihnea_____,
15:59:48 <Zakim> ... liam, Karen, deborahGU, trackbot
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16:00:00 <Zakim> -MikeMiller
16:00:12 <ivan> zakim, drop Vlad
16:00:12 <Zakim> Vlad is being disconnected
16:00:13 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
16:00:13 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, azaroth, Ivan, philm, Markus, +1.917.770.aaaa, Bill_Kasdorf, LDawson, +1.206.849.aabb, dauwhe, deborahGU, lfowler, pkeating, +1.206.675.aacc,
16:00:13 <Zakim> ... MikeMiller, Vlad, astearns, NickRuffilo, Karen_Myers, TimCole, [IPcaller], pkra, pbelfanti, bjdmeest, Bert
16:00:24 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:00:38 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:00:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:00:38 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:00:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items