12:57:06 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:57:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/24-dwbp-irc 12:57:08 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:57:08 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:57:10 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:57:10 ok, trackbot, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started 12:57:11 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:57:11 Date: 24 April 2015 12:57:12 Eric_Kauz has joined #DWBP 12:57:22 wrote '/invite trackbot' 12:57:31 zakim, who is here? 12:57:33 On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.609.557.aaaa, +39.349.096.aabb 12:57:33 On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 12:57:38 hi all! 12:57:41 zakim, ipcaller is me 12:57:42 +deirdrelee; got it 12:57:42 zakim, aaaa is me 12:57:42 +Eric_Kauz; got it 12:58:06 zakim, +39.349.096.aabb is me 12:58:06 +riccardoAlbertoni; got it 12:58:15 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150424 12:59:44 +[IPcaller] 12:59:47 zakim, [ is me 12:59:47 +phila; got it 13:00:00 cgueret has joined #dwbp 13:00:17 +??P22 13:00:35 +??P21 13:00:41 zakim, ??P21 is me 13:00:41 +cgueret; got it 13:00:49 annette_g has joined #dwbp 13:01:06 zakim, mute me 13:01:06 cgueret should now be muted 13:01:07 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:01:12 zakim, who is here? 13:01:12 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, ??P22, cgueret (muted) 13:01:14 On IRC I see ericstephan, annette_g, cgueret, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 13:01:16 +ericstephan 13:01:26 yaso has joined #dwbp 13:01:34 Winstanley has joined #DWBP 13:01:56 zakim, who is here? 13:01:56 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, ??P22, cgueret (muted), ericstephan 13:01:58 On IRC I see Winstanley, yaso, ericstephan, annette_g, cgueret, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 13:02:41 zakim, ??P22 is Winstanley 13:02:41 +Winstanley; got it 13:02:45 zakim, who is here? 13:02:45 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, Winstanley, cgueret (muted), ericstephan 13:02:48 On IRC I see Winstanley, yaso, ericstephan, annette_g, cgueret, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 13:03:09 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150424 13:03:31 Topic: Intro 13:03:41 Winstanley: Introduces self - works for Scottish Government 13:03:50 +annette_g 13:04:04 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:04:10 -annette_g 13:04:11 ... works on publication of open data. As a consequence, fair amount of stuff... also... breaking up... part of Share-PSI group 13:04:18 ... losing you Peter 13:04:32 chair: deirdrelee 13:04:32 +annette_g 13:05:03 regrets+ Hadley 13:05:06 +Reinaldo 13:05:12 Zakim, Reinaldo is Yaso 13:05:12 +Yaso; got it 13:05:18 Zakim, yaso has newton 13:05:18 +newton; got it 13:05:22 zakim, who is here? 13:05:22 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, Winstanley, cgueret (muted), ericstephan, annette_g, Yaso 13:05:25 Yaso has newton 13:05:25 On IRC I see Winstanley, yaso, ericstephan, annette_g, cgueret, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 13:05:34 zakim, pick a victim 13:05:34 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Winstanley 13:05:39 zakim, pick a victim 13:05:39 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Eric_Kauz 13:05:47 newton has joined #dwbp 13:06:13 scribe: Eric_Kauz 13:06:45 zakim, list participants 13:06:45 As of this point the attendees have been +1.609.557.aaaa, deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, [IPcaller], phila, cgueret, ericstephan, Winstanley, annette_g, newton 13:06:59 deirdrelee: approval of minutes for last week 13:07:06 PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes; https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150417 13:07:08 +1 13:07:10 jerdeb has joined #DWBP 13:07:13 +1 13:07:14 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:07:18 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:07:19 +??P1 13:07:27 Zakim, ??P1 is me 13:07:27 +jerdeb; got it 13:07:28 +1 13:07:29 +1 13:07:33 that link is not to minutes? 13:07:33 +1 13:07:34 zakim, who is here? 13:07:34 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, Winstanley, cgueret (muted), ericstephan, annette_g, Yaso, jerdeb 13:07:36 Yaso has newton 13:07:36 On IRC I see BernadetteLoscio, laufer, jerdeb, newton, Winstanley, yaso, ericstephan, annette_g, cgueret, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, 13:07:36 ... phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 13:07:58 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-17 13:08:11 +1 13:08:12 +1 13:08:12 +[IPcaller] 13:08:16 +1 13:08:18 s/https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150417/http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-17/ 13:08:24 Antoine is both present and absent ! 13:08:28 Zakim, IPcaller is me 13:08:28 +laufer; got it 13:08:33 deirdrelee: minutes marked as resolved 13:08:34 in the "Seen" and "Regrets" 13:08:38 RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-17 13:08:38 zakim, mute me 13:08:38 laufer should now be muted 13:08:46 zakim, who is here 13:08:46 deirdrelee, you need to end that query with '?' 13:08:49 zakim, who is here? 13:08:49 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, Winstanley, cgueret (muted), ericstephan, annette_g, Yaso, jerdeb, laufer (muted) 13:08:52 Yaso has newton 13:08:52 On IRC I see BernadetteLoscio, laufer, jerdeb, newton, Winstanley, yaso, ericstephan, annette_g, cgueret, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, riccardoAlbertoni, deirdrelee, 13:08:53 ... phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman 13:09:32 deirdrelee: tpac in japan 29th 30th of October 13:09:35 Topic: TPAC, 29-30 Oct, Japan http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC 13:09:59 +[IPcaller] 13:10:04 q+ 13:10:04 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 13:10:05 deirdrelee: Our group will attend, many intend to go in person. 13:10:05 This year's venue for TPAC is http://www.sora-scc.jp/eng/index.html 13:10:05 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:10:17 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:10:17 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:10:20 Note that this is not in Tokyo - it's on a differnet island altogether 13:10:42 deirdrelee: steve will send confirmation to tpac , will have face to face 13:11:17 BernadetteLoscio: proposal to have it in Brazil due to cost. 13:11:33 s/BernadetteLoscio/yaso 13:11:53 ack yaso 13:12:36 phila: it is not necessary but advisable to have meeting in TPAC 13:12:50 AdrianoC-UFMG has joined #dwbp 13:13:55 phila: travel issues in general to travel outside of continent 13:14:16 phila: encouraging TPAC as best option. 13:14:58 deirdrelee: only one person has confirmed TPAC. 13:15:20 I'm comnfirmed for TPAC - my other WG is meeting there 13:15:46 Topic: Publication of CSV on the Web Specifications http://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Main_Page 13:15:52 deirdrelee: csv on web published latest release of publication. 13:16:40 q? 13:16:43 deirdrelee: metadata on web, csv to rdf, csv to JSON, test suite, worth looking at and providing feedback, and look for connections with our work 13:17:25 Topic: Review actions related to glossary and scope (Yaso, Deirdre) 13:17:26 deirdrelee: next item on agenda, actions from face to face, related to deliverables, glossary and scope. 13:17:45 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:17:59 Action-149? 13:17:59 Action-149 -- Deirdre Lee to Include the standard resolution in the scope page on the wiki -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN 13:17:59 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/149 13:18:17 action-156? 13:18:17 action-156 -- Deirdre Lee to Change should to must in http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp-ucr/#r-sensitiveprivacy -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN 13:18:17 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/156 13:18:20 deirdrelee: scope actions, actions related to scope 149, 158 13:18:22 action-158? 13:18:22 action-158 -- Deirdre Lee to Add preservtion text to scope -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN 13:18:22 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/158 13:18:33 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope#Proposed_Scope_April_2015 13:19:11 +1! 13:19:12 deirdrelee: guideline of what should be included and excluded, one issue of data archiving (offline out of scope) 13:19:38 deirdrelee: DWBP can recommend W3C as long as we can be open to other standards as well. 13:19:51 +1 to close 13:19:56 +1 to close 13:20:00 deirdrelee: recommend closing 13:20:03 +1 13:20:03 +1 to close 13:20:15 deirdrelee: glossary 154, 148 13:20:32 action-148? 13:20:32 action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN 13:20:32 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148 13:20:36 action-154? 13:20:38 action-154 -- Yaso Córdova to Add the definitions of dataset, vocabulary and metadata in the glossary, noting that the boundaries are not always distinct (or helpful). -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN 13:20:38 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/154 13:21:21 close action-149 13:21:21 Closed action-149. 13:21:30 close action-156 13:21:30 Closed action-156. 13:21:35 q+ 13:21:48 Glossary: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Glossary 13:21:48 yaso: They can be closed, but added definitions but people are still suggesting definitions, 13:21:54 https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/glossary.html 13:23:01 yaso: discussion is on going, leads to change in scope, do we continue to develop definitions? 13:23:13 ack ericstephan 13:23:18 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html 13:23:28 q+ 13:23:32 q+ 13:23:43 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:23:45 ericstephan: add a few definitions, only because there were different questions on definition of things. 13:23:54 No problem, Eric! It is to be like that! 13:23:58 open action-156 13:24:11 ericstephan: wasn't sure to use wiki or git hub 13:24:16 close action-158 13:24:16 Closed action-158. 13:24:52 I also worked on the Wiki for the glossary 13:24:53 yaso: people should work in Git hub, but if want to work with wiki it can be managed 13:25:12 q- 13:25:18 ericstephan: prefers git hub 13:25:32 ack me 13:26:09 phila: no issue with github, wiki is easier, tried to clone vocabulary and had issues 13:27:09 phila: the discussion we had on mental models, is level of detail with data lifecycles relevant to glossary 13:27:37 +1 to phila 13:27:41 +1 13:27:42 phila: glossary becoming more than a glossary, should be definitions, not necessary background 13:27:44 +1 phila 13:27:47 +1 13:27:55 +q to say there are also other glossaries 13:28:41 q+ 13:28:43 phila++ 13:28:57 q- 13:28:59 yaso: this question is on our minds since face to face, does mental model belong in glossary? How does it fit in definitions 13:29:40 q+ 13:29:47 zakim, ack me 13:29:47 unmuting cgueret 13:29:49 cgueret, you wanted to say there are also other glossaries 13:29:49 I see BernadetteLoscio on the speaker queue 13:29:52 deirdrelee: should not get to wrapped up in glossary, just to help guide us 13:29:57 perhaps we need a definition for glossary? 13:30:09 other glossary : http://www.alliancepermanentaccess.org/index.php/consultancy/dpglossary 13:30:16 Now now ericstephan, don't be awkward! 13:30:35 :-) sorry phila 13:30:38 zakim, mute me 13:30:38 cgueret should now be muted 13:30:39 Caroline__ has joined #DWBP 13:30:41 q? 13:30:46 cgueret: agrees with Phil, (didnt catch whole statement) 13:30:51 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:30:51 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:30:57 yes 13:31:31 +Yaso.a 13:31:31 BernadetteLoscio: glossary should be to guide us, mental models are support to get definitions, should not be in same document. 13:31:42 Zakim, Yaso.a is Caroline__ 13:31:42 +Caroline__; got it 13:31:43 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:31:43 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:31:43 +1 to berna 13:31:46 BernadetteLoscio: can be used as tool to find definitions 13:32:16 deirdrelee: draw a line for next friday 13:33:11 deirdrelee: continue with quality vocabulary. each week would look at one of the documents 13:33:33 deirdrelee: have an updated by ricardo or christophe 13:33:35 Topic: Review of open issues and actions on the Dataset Quality Vocabulary (Antoine, Riccardo, Christoph ) 13:34:46 riccardoAlbertoni: data quality, first draft data quality vocabulary, at this point need to add refinement by next week, first draft by 1st week of May 13:35:03 nope 13:35:49 deirdrelee: move back to data usage vocabulary, discussed last week. try to close actions? 13:35:53 Topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary 13:36:07 https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1aq3vPcoj0SPs5BispD6umQNejrBTwkhsSYu6Y1adUjw/edit 13:36:46 ericstephan: bernadette has redone mode put into google presentation, switch back to powerpoint for edits. 13:36:56 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:36:56 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:37:12 https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1aq3vPcoj0SPs5BispD6umQNejrBTwkhsSYu6Y1adUjw/edit 13:37:33 zakim, who is making noise? 13:37:43 deirdrelee, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Eric_Kauz (4%), ericstephan (9%), BernadetteLoscio (78%), Caroline__ (25%) 13:37:52 BernadetteLoscio: changes to model, sent link earlier this week, made some more modifications, usage annotation (what is use of it) 13:38:17 BernadetteLoscio: can use annotations to describe information on data usage and feedback related to a specific data set 13:38:43 BernadetteLoscio: publisher can discuss who is using data and how, it includes feedback 13:39:07 -cgueret 13:39:30 BernadetteLoscio: citation is not superclass of data set usage, usage, feedback and citation are at same level. 13:39:37 Zakim, mute me 13:39:37 Caroline__ should now be muted 13:40:29 q+ to talk about dcterms:bibliographicCitation and DOAP 13:40:35 ericstephan: numerous comments in mailing list about definitions, Eric provided definitions from reference material. Used as proposal for definitions, by next week need to be 13:40:44 q- 13:40:52 ericstephan: clear what we mean by usage, citations, feedback 13:41:17 q? 13:41:37 ack phila 13:41:37 phila, you wanted to talk about dcterms:bibliographicCitation and DOAP 13:42:05 phila: personally would label relation 13:42:24 +1 to Phil (links labeled for consumer and producer) 13:43:01 phila: bibliographic citation, that is a property you can stick on something and it has a value of string, can put a citation there. 13:43:02 +1 13:43:26 phila: bibliographic citation is a useful property to add iin 13:43:42 -> https://github.com/edumbill/doap/wiki DOAP 13:44:09 thanks Phil! 13:44:12 q+ 13:44:12 phila: another vocabulary, the DOAP may be a useful schema to review and use. can be relevant to our work 13:45:06 ericstephan: different perspectives on citations, comes down to what are going to support and what makes most sense for vocabulary. 13:45:35 CiTO 13:45:48 http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito 13:46:13 ericstephan: looks thorough and may be another avenue to pursue, 13:46:32 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:46:32 BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio 13:46:38 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:47:18 BernadetteLoscio:Phil's comment on relation (agent) 13:47:39 consumer or publisher is a role - the relation between an agent and a dataset 13:47:41 BernadetteLoscio: line is behind the data set, not visible, 13:48:26 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:48:28 q+ 13:48:41 phila: undrstands current design, 13:48:57 consumer or publisher are not specializations of an agent - they are types of relations between an agent and a dataset 13:49:23 ack annette_g 13:49:31 phila: who has EA. if you want to use EA and people comfortable with using it, go ahead and use it 13:49:54 i don't have EA :( 13:49:59 q+ 13:50:04 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/ ORG describes roles for foaf:Agents etc 13:50:09 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:50:09 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:50:15 ack ericstephan 13:50:41 ericstephan: some things in model that are not mature, agent part, feedback, interaction history, need to evolve these things 13:51:11 action-176? 13:51:11 action-176 -- Phil Archer to Incorporating citations in Dataset Usage Vocabulary -- due 2015-05-01 -- OPEN 13:51:11 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/176 13:51:13 deirdrelee: close actions, Action 176 13:51:27 deirdrelee: is it completed? 13:52:00 thank you phila ! 13:52:00 phila: will leave this open to look at CITO and others. Will find time to compare. 13:52:00 action-177? 13:52:00 action-177 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Putting Dataset Usage Vocabulary in Github -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN 13:52:00 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/177 13:52:03 laufer, I think we may have both... the relationship "consumes" and the actor " consumer" 13:52:13 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:52:13 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:52:23 action-177? 13:52:23 action-177 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Putting Dataset Usage Vocabulary in Github -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN 13:52:23 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/177 13:53:04 BernadetteLoscio: No complete, started its there, introduction, scope, but still working on this, still defining model. 13:53:16 Bernadette, the actor (agent) has a role (consumer) 13:53:16 deirdrelee: 177 still open 13:53:40 action-174? 13:53:40 action-174 -- Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto to Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN 13:53:40 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/174 13:53:58 and if i want to keep information about coonsumers and publishers? 13:54:29 laufer, don't you think that they should be actors? 13:54:31 bernardette, one actor could have two roles (consumer and publisher) 13:54:33 action-179? 13:54:33 action-179 -- Sumit Purohit to Identifying Mechanisms Dataset Usage Vocabulary -- due 2015-05-01 -- OPEN 13:54:33 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/179 13:54:38 ericstephan: 174 only thing not done is definition of publisher, consumer and publisher has found other defintions, leave open for now 13:55:21 action-180? 13:55:21 action-180 -- Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto to Follow up with Laufer on Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities -- due 2015-05-01 -- OPEN 13:55:21 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/180 13:55:25 ericstephan: 179, helpful to draw out examples, will work to develop examples, for next week 13:55:44 deirdrelee: 180 seems to be closed. 13:55:51 For background SiOC pronounced Shock, Irish for Ice 13:56:07 close action-180 13:56:07 Closed action-180. 13:56:08 ericstephan: we can close this 13:56:38 action-101? 13:56:38 action-101 -- Sumit Purohit to Review https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/data_usage_scenarios -- due 2014-10-31 -- OPEN 13:56:38 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/101 13:56:41 action-102? 13:56:41 action-102 -- Lewis Mcgibbney to Review https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/data_usage_scenarios -- due 2014-10-31 -- OPEN 13:56:41 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/102 13:56:45 They can be closed "overtaken by events" 13:56:52 deirdrelee: some old ones not closed, 101 and 102. assuming they can be closed 13:57:14 close action-101 13:57:14 Closed action-101. 13:57:17 close action-102 13:57:17 Closed action-102. 13:57:18 ericstephan: this has been completed 13:57:54 q+ to talk quality 13:58:12 deirdrelee: great to see steps taken on data vocabulary, next week focus back on best practices document, go through open actions 13:58:21 q- 13:58:46 deirdrelee: any actions assigned to you, this is the week to look at them to discuss on next week's call 13:59:11 next Friday is first of may, which is bank holiday ... are we going to have the call anyway? 13:59:39 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:59:51 -Caroline__ 13:59:56 UK takes its holidays on Monday after 1st 14:00:11 We can transfer to thursday 14:00:16 it is a holiday in Germany.. but i guess I'm the only one from germany 14:00:19 Is Brasil working next Friday? 1/5? 14:00:23 deirdrelee: will go ahead with Friday's meeting. 14:00:50 I'm not sure if i cant make it :( 14:00:58 i can make it.. 14:01:22 deirdrelee: postpone to following week, no call next friday. 14:01:30 RESOLVED: No call 1 May. Next meeting 8 May 14:01:31 ok! 14:01:41 Bye all! 14:01:41 bye .. 14:01:42 bye all, nice wkd 4all... 14:01:43 bye bye 14:01:43 thanks, everyone! 14:01:45 thanks! 14:01:46 -phila 14:01:47 -ericstephan 14:01:48 -jerdeb 14:01:48 yaso has left #dwbp 14:01:49 -Eric_Kauz 14:01:50 -deirdrelee 14:01:50 -annette_g 14:01:51 Bye bye! 14:01:51 -Winstanley 14:01:53 -Yaso 14:01:55 -laufer 14:01:55 bye all 14:01:56 -riccardoAlbertoni 14:01:56 annette_g has left #dwbp 14:01:58 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 14:01:59 Attendees were +1.609.557.aaaa, deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, cgueret, ericstephan, Winstanley, annette_g, newton, jerdeb, laufer, BernadetteLoscio, Yaso, 14:01:59 ... Caroline__ 14:04:07 query ralph 14:05:37 newton has joined #dwbp 14:05:44 newton has joined #dwbp 16:07:01 Zakim has left #dwbp 17:02:05 newton has joined #dwbp 17:19:35 newton has joined #dwbp 19:23:08 newton has joined #dwbp 19:23:32 newton has joined #dwbp 19:33:35 newton_ has joined #dwbp