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14:45:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
14:45:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:45:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:45:43 <trackbot> Date: 23 April 2015
14:46:14 <Kim> chair: Kimberly_Patch
14:46:57 <Kim> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Apr/0017.html
14:50:47 <Kim> agenda+  Best Practices assignments
14:50:48 <Kim> agenda+ Comments on 3.1 keyboard control https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/issues/4
14:50:50 <Kim> agenda+ Mobile checker – Jeanne
14:50:51 <Kim> agenda+  Next steps – next meeting Thursday, April 30
14:51:11 <Kim> agenda?
14:51:41 <jeanne> agenda+ changes to W3C teleconference system
14:52:26 <Kim>  zakim, drop item 1
14:52:26 <Zakim> agendum 1, Jan proposal http://www.w3.org/mid/0B1EB1C972BCB740B522ACBCD5F48DEB01C6D3B7F3@ocadmail-maildb.ocad.ca, dropped
14:52:30 <jeanne> zakim, order agenda 6,4,5,8,7
14:52:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'order agenda 6,4,5,8,7', jeanne
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14:53:43 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
14:53:50 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
14:54:45 <Zakim> +Jeanne
14:55:16 <jeanne> agenda?
14:59:36 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
15:00:34 <guillaume> Zakim, call guillaume-mobile
15:00:35 <Zakim> ok, guillaume; the call is being made
15:00:37 <Zakim> +Guillaume
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15:01:56 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:02:20 <Kim> regrets+ marc_Johlic, mike_shebanek
15:02:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:02:53 <jeanne> zakim, [IPcaller] is Henny
15:02:54 <Zakim> +Henny; got it
15:02:54 <Jan> zakim, code?
15:02:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 6283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
15:03:44 <David_> scribe: David
15:03:57 <David_> zakim, take up item 6
15:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Mobile checker – Jeanne" taken up [from Kim]
15:04:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:16 <David_> Mobile a11y in alpha
15:04:24 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:04:24 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:04:33 <David_> Guillaume
15:04:52 <David_> Not an a11y checker yet...
15:05:01 <guillaume> https://validator.w3.org/mobile-alpha/
15:05:12 <David_> Checker checks if a skte is mobile ready
15:05:14 <guillaume> https://validator.w3.org/mobile-alpha/
15:05:23 <David_> s/skte/site
15:05:23 <guillaume> https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-Checker
15:05:31 <Zakim> +Kenny
15:06:06 <David_> The Mobile Checker was built to provide all of us web developers with a new and helpful experience of mobile Web developement. We built the base. Now join us, and make it grant your wishes. We hope you will make it awesome.
15:06:46 <David_> want to include a11y mobile tests
15:07:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:54 <David_> https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/
15:08:09 <Mike_Pluke> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:08:09 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
15:08:10 <David_> David: What is the difference btween this and Google
15:09:00 <David_> The goal is the same, but we want to include a11y tests
15:10:04 <David_> We are simulating the mobile web app on Chrome, and we can extend to other browsers
15:10:30 <Zakim> +AWK
15:10:32 <David_> Alan: wondering if the tests I sent were useful
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15:10:55 <David_> Guillaume: I haven't added it yet but find it interesting
15:11:01 <AWK> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Alan_Smith, Guillaume, David_MacDonald, Henny, Jan, Kenny, Mike_Pluke, AWK
15:12:09 <guillaume> https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-Checker/tree/master/lib/checks
15:12:11 <David_> Henny: What tests do you have that we can look at?
15:13:18 <David_> Guillaume: The tests are in the link above
15:13:26 <guillaume> https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-Checker/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
15:14:08 <David_> Guillaume: I want to make it easier to use, have to work with it...
15:15:25 <David_> David: All the regular checks found in AMP, Tenon, AMP, etc...
15:16:41 <David_> Jan: What about issues rasied by the checks themselves. ie. Sometimes, having all images on same page... making sure existing checks are not counter to a11y
15:18:02 <David_> Guillaume: we are not going to do a right/wrong model, but rather notify the user of concerns certain approaches take...
15:18:19 <David_> s/take/raise
15:20:48 <David_> Jean: Thanks for coming Guillaume and we'll be talking more about it...
15:21:16 <David_> Guillaume: open an issue, pull requests etc... appreciate collaboration
15:21:28 <Zakim> -Guillaume
15:21:34 <David_> zakim, take up item 5
15:21:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Comments on 3.1 keyboard control https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/issues/4" taken up [from Kim]
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15:23:58 <David_> q+
15:24:38 <David_> to wonder about "Mobile Touchscreen devices and apps should be operable using a physical keyboard or alternative external input device and provide or support alternative on-screen keyboard layouts."
15:27:31 <David_> Mobile Touchscreen devices and apps should be operable using a physical keyboard which can be emulated by alternative external input device and provide or support alternative on-screen keyboard layouts.
15:30:27 <David_> David: I added to the github
15:30:46 <Kim> "Mobile Touchscreen devices and apps should be operable using a physical keyboard which can also be an emulated by alternative external input device and provide or support alternative on-screen keyboard layouts."
15:31:30 <Kim> "Mobile Touchscreen devices and apps should be operable using a physical keyboard that can also be emulated by alternative external input devices and that can provide or support alternative on-screen keyboard layouts."
15:36:13 <Jan> However, keyboard accessibility remains as important as ever. WCAG 2.0 requires keyboard control at Level A and keyboard control is supported by most major mobile operating systems via keyboard interfaces, which allow mobile devices to be operated using external physical keyboards (e.g. keyboards connected via Bluetooth, USB On-The-Go) or alternative on-screen keyboards (e.g. scanning...
15:36:14 <Jan> ...on-screen keyboards).
15:41:06 <David_> Jan: let's not put in this level... let's put it in the techniques
15:42:09 <David_> David: agree, I think he was wanting us to call out specifically, to ensure tabindex="0"
15:44:26 <jeanne> Is this Mike's original text?  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Mar/0021.html
15:44:47 <David_> s/0"/0" to non actionable elements
15:45:25 <David_> kim: table it for later so  Jan csn read
15:45:39 <David_> zakim, take up item 4
15:45:39 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Best Practices assignments" taken up [from Kim]
15:46:01 <David_> s/csn/can
15:46:14 <Kim> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Main_Page
15:46:33 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
15:46:48 <jeanne> s/ http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Main_Page//
15:47:17 <David_> kim: Starting on Perceivable techniques
15:47:59 <jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/#mobile-accessibility-considerations-primarily-related-to-principle-1-perceivable
15:49:01 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments#Mobile
15:52:56 <David_> Jan: Non linear screen layouts... does this spawn any new techniques
15:54:19 <David_> David: Tables may go off the side... techniques to fix that?
15:57:17 <David_> Jan: you've chosen to make things complicated, and convoluted is there antechnique... and if you bring a lot of other things from the sides but not from the top down
15:58:49 <David_> Jan: should we have sufficient techniques that address that?
15:59:16 <David_> David: There is nothing in WCAG techniqies to address that
16:00:06 <David_> Jan: Managing accessibility for non linear screen layouts
16:01:30 <David_> Jeanne: Microsoft is going to go beyond the dom to address these types of issues
16:01:53 <Zakim> -AWK
16:01:54 <Zakim> -Henny
16:01:56 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
16:01:56 <Zakim> -Jan
16:01:57 <Zakim> -Mike_Pluke
16:01:57 <Zakim> -Kenny
16:02:37 <Zakim> -Jeanne
16:02:38 <David_> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Alan_Smith, Guillaume, David_MacDonald, Henny, Jan, Kenny, Mike_Pluke, AWK
16:02:51 <David_> zakim, bye
16:02:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Alan_Smith, Guillaume, David_MacDonald, Henny, Jan, Kenny, Mike_Pluke, AWK
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16:03:00 <David_> rrsagent, make log public
16:03:09 <David_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/23-mobile-a11y-minutes.html David_
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