IRC log of webperf on 2015-04-22
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-webperf-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be web-per
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- ok, trackbot; I see RWC_web-per()3:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 April 2015
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- plh has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/board/
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- RWC_web-per()3:00PM has now started
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- + +33.1.56.69.aaaa
- 19:01:51 [yoav]
- Zakim, aaaa is yoav
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- +yoav; got it
- 19:02:09 [Zakim]
- +Plh
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- + +657888aabb
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- +[IPcaller]
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- 19:02:56 [plh]
- zakim, aabb is ilya
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- +ilya; got it
- 19:03:01 [plh]
- zakim, ipcaller is marcos
- 19:03:01 [Zakim]
- +marcos; got it
- 19:03:38 [plh]
- agenda+ Web Performance Group charter
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- agenda+ new draft for Performance Observer
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- agenda+ clarifying behavior around failed fetches in Resource Timing
- 19:03:57 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-navigation-timing-2-20150422/
- 19:04:25 [plh]
- agenda+ Refactoring Preload and Resource Hints to remove "loadpolicy"
- 19:04:25 [plh]
- agenda+ "grouping" of performance entries
- 19:04:31 [plh]
- zakim, move to next agendum
- 19:04:31 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Web Performance Group charter" taken up [from plh]
- 19:05:26 [plh]
- Todd: talked to Adrian before this call. as long as the charter covers the scope, without broadening it too much.
- 19:05:55 [plh]
- ... as long as we have general deliverables, we should be fine
- 19:06:10 [plh]
- ... CPU and memory is an example
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- ... "solve the pb of understanding CPU and memory on the web page"
- 19:07:42 [plh]
- https://github.com/w3c/charter-webperf/pull/4
- 19:07:52 [igrigorik]
- https://rawgit.com/toddreifsteck/charter-webperf/2015draft/index.html
- 19:09:19 [plh]
- Todd: TODO: add remaining information, sort by priority.
- 19:10:15 [plh]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oCfLli-Llm1GjiGcoXprY1eLwK-C6OPRH2XP8zHrtlg/edit#
- 19:10:37 [ToddReifsteck]
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- Ilya: on deliverables: Performance Observer is part of Timeline. no need to call it out
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- "The working group will deliver updated versions of the following:"
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- [[
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- Timing control for script-based animations
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- An interoperable and efficient means for web page authors to write script-based animations where the user agent is in control of limiting the update rate of the animation.
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- ]]
- 19:13:27 [plh]
- https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/browsers.html#the-window-object
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/browsers.html#the-window-object
- 19:15:39 [Zakim]
- + +1.310.310.aacc
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- 19:16:08 [plh]
- zakim, aacc is Michael
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- +Michael; got it
- 19:16:23 [plh]
- Ilya: should we remove requestAnimationFrame from our list?
- 19:18:36 [plh]
- ... let's have it as an open issue for now
- 19:19:55 [plh]
- ... should we move that spec in a separate section, moving into the html spec, but we need to make sure it's done correctly
- 19:20:35 [plh]
- Todd: it may not make sense to give up stewardship
- 19:20:43 [plh]
- ... so I'd keep in the charter
- 19:22:54 [plh]
- Ilya: ok, let's keep it in the charter and resolve the differences between the specs
- 19:23:14 [plh]
- Marcos: do we know why it's in the html spec?
- 19:26:36 [plh]
- Plh: I propose that we keep it separate for now. it doesn't look like the definition in html spec is complete. we'll need to talk to them
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- Ilya: Server Timing is missing
- 19:27:50 [plh]
- ... add CPU and memory
- 19:28:08 [plh]
- ... https://github.com/w3c/charter-webperf/pull/1
- 19:28:21 [plh]
- Yoav: not sure if it belongs to us or houdini
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- Ilya: visibility seems more like houdini but they're not aware of the problems
- 19:30:37 [plh]
- Yoav: should we do use cases then?
- 19:30:56 [plh]
- Todd: seems appropriate
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- Ilya: can we make it a goal for the group to draft use cases?
- 19:31:44 [plh]
- Plh: sounds good
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- Todd: ok
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- Ilya: emphasizing working with other groups
- 19:33:58 [plh]
- Plh: we should make sure we get reviews from webapps, tag, and webappsec
- 19:34:09 [plh]
- ... in the deliverables section
- 19:38:17 [ToddReifsteck]
- FYI, here is an example of how CSS lists Deliverables: http://www.w3.org/2010/09/CSSWG/charter
- 19:38:36 [plh]
- Marcos: charters looks ok to me otherwise
- 19:39:29 [plh]
- http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Performance/Publications
- 19:41:41 [plh]
- Todd: I'll put a pointer to the dashboard then
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- Ilya: setImmediate?
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- Todd: I'll have adta in 3 weeks
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- s/adta/data/
- 19:46:29 [plh]
- http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2015/copyright-software-and-document.html
- 19:47:26 [plh]
- Todd: it's more likely we get our charter more quickly
- 19:47:50 [plh]
- ... without the new license
- 19:50:34 [plh]
- agenda?
- 19:50:38 [plh]
- zakim, move to next agendum
- 19:50:38 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "new draft for Performance Observer" taken up [from plh]
- 19:51:03 [plh]
- Ilya: please have a look at the PR
- 19:51:28 [plh]
- https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/pull/10
- 19:51:50 [plh]
- Todd: we added various fields to navigation timing but didn't implement them
- 19:51:54 [plh]
- ... should we keep them?
- 19:52:22 [plh]
- Ilya: for chrome, we are looking for a bunch of them, like workerStart
- 19:52:29 [plh]
- ... it's a question of when
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- ... some of the feedbacks is that it's not easy to find what's new
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- Todd: linkNegotiation, sizes, type, workerStart
- 19:54:29 [plh]
- Plh: they're listed in the status but I guess folks don't look at it
- 19:55:35 [plh]
- Ilya: we'll have to do some refactoring
- 19:55:39 [marcosc__]
- Bugzilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1043083
- 19:55:48 [plh]
- ... and be more precise on what has been implemented and where
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- Marcos: would be good to link to browser bugs
- 19:56:33 [marcosc__]
- https://w3c.github.io/manifest/
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- [[
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- Implementation status:
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- Gecko
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- Blink
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- ]]
- 19:58:37 [plh]
- Tood: seems a good solution for us
- 20:00:02 [yoav]
- Sorry folks, but I gotta go. Another meeting coming up...
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- -yoav
- 20:01:25 [plh]
- Plh: I wanted to adopt CSS conventions for our draft, eg performance-timeline, performance-timeline-2, performance-timeline-2,
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- -Michael
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- -Plh
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- -marcos
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -ilya
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- Attendees were +33.1.56.69.aaaa, yoav, Plh, +657888aabb, ilya, marcos, [Microsoft], +1.310.310.aacc, Michael
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