08:25:15 RRSAgent has joined #coga 08:25:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-coga-irc 08:25:26 zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF 08:25:26 ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()3:00AM scheduled to start 85 minutes ago 08:34:41 ayelet_s has joined #coga 08:37:19 Chaohai_Ding has joined #coga 08:37:56 topic: tequneques 08:38:11 Michael and janina the phone number code does not work 08:38:43 *5032220# 08:39:16 WAI_CogTF()3:00AM has now started 08:39:23 +??P0 08:44:13 +??P1 08:44:22 zakim, ??P1 is me 08:44:22 +janina; got it 08:45:12 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Jul/0014.html 08:45:23 suggests that the uk numer is discontinued 08:45:36 Working on it ... 08:45:50 + +44.303.040.aaaa 08:46:15 +ayelet_s 08:46:16 we are calling the us now but cant do that for all day 08:46:21 - +44.303.040.aaaa 08:46:23 can you hear us? 08:46:31 zakim, aaaa is me 08:46:31 sorry, ayelet_s, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 08:46:45 can you hear us 08:46:52 -ayelet_s 08:47:03 zakim, who is here? 08:47:03 On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, janina 08:47:05 On IRC I see Chaohai_Ding, ayelet_s, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, janina, trackbot 08:47:15 +ayelet_s 08:47:25 now i could hear 08:48:56 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 08:51:44 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 08:52:07 we are setting up a diffrent number that is a UK confrence bridge. 08:52:35 -ayelet_s 08:55:17 +ayelet_s 08:55:30 -ayelet_s 08:55:37 Mike_Pluke has joined #coga 08:55:39 new call in info 08:55:41 Conference ID: 81540127 08:56:03 same zakim number? 08:56:43 UK: +44 203 618 1111 08:56:44 US/Canada: +1 855 202 1356 TOLL FREE (English) 08:56:46 US/Canada: +1 855-232-0752 TOLL FREE (Francais) 08:56:47 US/Canada: +1 847 719 8495 (English) 08:56:49 US/Canada: +1 847 719 8467 (Francais) 08:56:51 Ayelet - find israel number at https://join.myatos.net/dialin 08:57:15 has anyone tryiewd to deal in 08:57:58 or click on the link 08:58:13 ............................................................................................ 08:58:15 Join online meeting 08:58:16 https://join.myatos.net/meet/neil.milliken/1RVJRGWV 08:58:20 just click on the link 08:58:47 michal can you try 08:59:45 neilmilliken has joined #coga 09:00:18 ayelet did you try and call in or press the link? 09:00:19 JohnRochford_ has joined #Coga 09:00:26 hello has any one tried the conference bridge 09:00:37 slee has joined #coga 09:00:42 click the link 09:00:46 ............................................................................................ 09:00:47 Join online meeting 09:00:49 https://join.myatos.net/meet/neil.milliken/1RVJRGWV 09:00:50 i tried to call but the audio didn't work 09:00:50 EA has joined #coga 09:01:00 via the link? 09:01:21 or did you dial in 09:01:41 dialed in 09:01:45 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/FTF_issues_and_agenda 09:01:49 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/FTF_issues_and_agenda#Afternoon 09:02:40 topic: tequices 09:02:43 https://w3c.github.io/coga/techniques/index.html#provide-speech-support 09:04:02 the link is one for "skype for bussiness", is there one for regular skype? 09:04:22 +ayelet_s 09:04:32 -ayelet_s 09:05:39 ohk we are just dieling in zakim 09:05:46 -Michael_Cooper 09:06:21 Michael, I hit the wrong button, once more please 09:06:37 + +44.303.040.aabb 09:06:58 i managed to call the myatos meeting 09:07:15 am now waiting for the leader to accept me. 09:07:22 - +44.303.040.aabb 09:07:34 should I hang up and call zakim? 09:07:57 no 09:07:58 -janina 09:08:00 WAI_CogTF()3:00AM has ended 09:08:00 Attendees were Michael_Cooper, janina, +44.303.040.aaaa, ayelet_s, +44.303.040.aabb 09:08:09 stay on atos 09:08:16 ok 09:09:40 janina and ayelet are on the phone working well 09:11:00 try the link 09:11:06 via the web 09:11:15 Apologies from Jamie who has been unwell. We hope he will soon recover and perhaps even be able take part at some point. 09:11:44 https://join.myatos.net/meet/neil.milliken/1RVJRGWV 09:11:47 scribe: EA 09:12:26 what is your mobile I can dial you in 09:12:34 +1 613 851 8858 09:12:42 https://w3c.github.io/coga/techniques/index.html 09:14:04 Michael, I'm trying to dial your rednote.net extension. If you can answer, I might be able to bridge you that way. 09:14:11 I am calling you so it should not cost you 09:14:15 Shall I try again? 09:14:23 There are concerns that we appear to have two versions of the techniques document. This needs to be resolved. 09:15:49 so can you not click the link and dial in via PC 09:16:10 Conference ID: 81540127 09:16:47 Minor differences in the document - highlighting speech in synch was mentioned as missing by Lisa. We will use the online version but need to include the support for highlighted text with speech as this has been shown to help. 09:17:26 Action: Lisa will add this research back into the paper 09:17:26 Created ACTION-92 - Will add this research back into the paper [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-04-29]. 09:21:12 Lewis resources are located in https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Research_sources 09:22:13 can you hear 09:23:00 q? 09:23:16 The group in London are reading through the Techniques document - those on the phone have been advised to speak up to help with multitasking and Lisa chairing the meeting. 09:24:26 Today the quality of the phone has been improved but those in London have been advised not to talk over each other. 09:27:18 John has mentioned the issue of Downs Syndrome appearing in the document and asked if he should change this to the agreed term of 'intellectual disabilities' 09:29:48 resolution: It has been agreed that the task force will use the term 'intellectual disabilities' rather than just use terms such as Down Syndrome or other specific types of intellectual disability. 09:33:23 The group went to debate the difference between the cognitive disabilities and intellectual disabilities - Lisa pointed out that intellectual is part of the cognitive. 09:34:35 Lisa has added this as an issue to be discussed later 09:36:00 Lisa asked how do we deal with the structure - Lisa will redo 09:36:16 action: lisa to make the stucture consitent of the techneques 09:36:16 Created ACTION-93 - Make the stucture consitent of the techneques [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-04-29]. 09:39:19 q? 09:44:31 my audio is bad - checking if calling again will solve it 09:48:37 Lisa questioned whether the document should have a General heading for techniques (Section 2) that cross disability then have some (Section 3) that are specific to certain disabilities such as symbols for AAC users. This is working draft document that will eventually be adapted to suit WCAG type structure. 09:50:25 back on 09:51:38 Steve commented that there may be judgments made on the level and type of elements included in the structure but what it was felt that it should be usable even at this stage 09:54:08 The discussion went on to success criteria for error prevention - pass and fail criteria 09:56:13 Michael commented that there was no strict need for pass and failure examples - but there are many cases when failures are fairly contextual. It is useful to document them - John suggested that we need to focus on success examples and just do failure examples when needed - failure examples rather than failure techniques. 09:56:52 Michael stressed the need to take care when offering success and failure examples 10:11:08 Lisa suggested that the need to have 'less features' as another section as this has been missed from the list - could be specific to a type of disability such as dementia. - may need personalisation but the debate went on to say could this come under 'Help the User Focus' but then Lisa pointed out that there is a difference between de-cluttering and offering less features 10:13:40 It was agreed that there should be a sub section that has the title 'less features' to take account for these differences and the impact they have on certain users 10:14:26 Tony pointed out that with correct tagging these issues around not finding features in a de-cluttered page the problems may be solved 10:14:57 Apologies - it needs to be 'fewer features' - John kindly pointed out. 10:16:39 Lisa went on to User Testing and these techniques - Lisa proposed that as we go through the gap analysis with do user testing for the techniques - where we are not sure how useful the technique might be. 10:16:53 Michael pointed out that this could be a research issue 10:18:17 Steve asked about the tags - Lisa pointed out that at the moment they are not needed - possibly also omit the headings for examples at present - John said it would be good not to overwhelm people. 10:19:26 It was agreed that we get a working document out which is clear of these items as soon as possible. 10:20:18 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 10:20:35 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Numbers_and_the_Web 10:20:45 The techniques that are missing at present are around Numbers. This was work completed by Neil and E.A. as an issue paper 10:22:09 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Numbers_and_the_Web 10:25:12 ayelet_s has joined #coga 10:26:43 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_symbols_for_links_and_buttons 10:30:31 There is a need to make techniques for the numbers paper with adaptable representation for symbols etc. Need to be able to pull in support for the terms but Neil pointed out that in everyday life there is a need to have explanation for the general representation of numbers for example if a person sees 08.15 on the web it is explained as being 'now' or in half an hours' time etc. 10:31:31 Lisa pointed out that there is a need for explanations for terms such as percentage - so when some says 'there is a high percentage of ...' needs explanation. 10:34:18 John mentioned that it might be possible to have a default version and then offer an 'easy read' version. 10:35:19 could we have a technique of adding an explanatory tag whenever a mathematic concept or term is mentioned? 10:36:08 (and have the person making the site provide the explanation) 10:37:14 Lisa pointed out that there are techniques for dyscalculia - so you can replace complex idea around Mathematical concepts with a helpful description. Tony also suggested the idea of hover over say 9 over 10 and it comes up with 'almost all' 10:41:44 Lisa suggested three versions of the technique - option to have a number with a text or image option, ARIA approach with a 'numbers free' option and the number concept that can be interpreted by the browser and the final option is an ontology - that would be very flexible and address localisation and cognitive levels etc. The latter would take resources to develop 10:44:38 Steve mentioned the link with the ARIA tags discussed by Leonie in her presentation at CSUN. 10:54:50 It was agreed that it would be hard to go down the ontology route so it was agreed that the technique could include the two techniques that include an alternative to number representation - general technique - then have a specific technique that may not suit all but allows for ARIA to be used to create a 'number free' option - this could suit those with dyscalculia for example 11:07:08 I need to reboot 11:10:10 neilmilliken has joined #coga 11:10:32 scribe: neil 11:11:46 q? 11:12:31 action; neil & lisa add number techniques to the techniques document 11:13:21 janina has joined #coga 11:13:43 were tecnolgies alow make number fiels sand selecions interoprab;le with user application 9more aria tags to follow 11:14:11 zakim, who's on the phone? 11:14:11 apparently WAI_CogTF()3:00AM has ended, janina 11:14:13 On IRC I see janina, neilmilliken, ayelet_s, EA, slee, Mike_Pluke, Tony_Doran, Chaohai_Ding, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, trackbot 11:14:18 11:15:08 we will need a page of techniques that are new and not in current Gap analysis 11:15:33 topic: issue papers 11:16:27 Lisa - all of the issues will need review to make conclusions more precise. They have now been ported into a nice editors draft format 11:18:22 Lisa We know that there is still more work to be done in reviewing and amending these 11:18:25 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Issue_Papers 11:19:20 Wiki lists the suggested issue papers. Lisa asking which ones do we still need for the Gap analysis 11:19:29 please mute you misic? 11:19:31 ok 11:19:33 thanks 11:22:33 things we have not addressed - Attention and distractions?should we have a user setting at OS level that can stream line the distractions from different apps. 11:23:14 Mike Pluke - coming to an conclusion about optimal solution could be tricky 11:23:23 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 11:23:43 Action: lisa to add Mike's issue paper 11:23:44 Created ACTION-94 - Add mike's issue paper [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-04-29]. 11:26:23 Lisa - what do we do with help scaffolding? 11:26:38 EA it's a technique for graded levels for help 11:27:53 Issue paper looking at different types of help? 11:28:54 Mike Usefulness is dependent on context 11:28:55 q? 11:29:54 Tont - pop up help is often hard to close 11:30:07 Lisa we have this in techniques 11:31:07 EA is help content any different from other content and do we need different rules to apply or use our recommendations? 11:32:19 John - I take exception to tool tip - can we say on demand help by machine or human as tool tips dont work on mobile 11:33:13 John R on demand help expresses the need 11:33:30 it should be context sensitive no matter what it is 11:35:10 Lisa - maybe we need an issue paper on how mobile handles tool tips 11:35:49 John It's not our responsibility to determine how it;s done 11:37:06 Lisa We need to be creating a roadmap of how things are going to work - part of the roadmap will be techniques part of it will be issues paper 11:39:01 tony D tool tips in applications and web pages are not the same thing 11:39:30 Tony D Tooltip is a title attribute 11:40:08 EA major problem with audio clutter 11:40:56 John we need to be always thinking of moble as that is where the most users are 11:42:00 Mike an aim should be to get access to information without interfering in with the interface 11:44:27 Lisa We need to have a section on user agents and operating systems where it states need for mechanism for showing and hiding tooltips and help 11:45:30 Should it be at os or browser level 11:46:31 Lisa 2 Suggestions to deal with notifications and showing help. 11:46:52 Lisa are we good with what we currently have with menus and navigation? 11:47:53 EA breadcrumbs should be repeated in ease of navigation techniques 11:48:27 Lisa we have an issue paper on web of things 11:48:52 How do we know when a person requires help 11:49:42 Lisa - leave for now 11:50:08 Attention and mobile? 11:51:49 EA is this about alerts or distractions of ringing phones? Merge with paper on attention and the web? How to turn stuff with mobile needs to be easy. 11:53:53 John have we addressed multi-modal deliveries of content? Options on how a person wants to receive the content. Options for how content is delivered, 11:54:11 Lisa that goes with personalisation 11:54:25 Steve & EA is it not covered by alternative formats 11:54:54 Lisa - no 11:55:54 EA in countries where literacy is low rich video content is common 11:57:34 Can users save preferences for modality. 11:58:01 Lisa I think that it should be an issue paper 12:00:39 Lisa it's lunchtime 12:01:09 Issue paper was added to the issue papaer page 12:27:28 Topic: roadmap 12:28:38 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 12:29:00 scribe: tony 12:30:26 scribe: Tony_Doran 12:30:46 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Roadmap#NOTE 12:30:51 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Roadmap 12:31:25 Deliverables should fit in with Roadmap to make things easier 12:31:37 JohnRochford_ has joined #Coga 12:32:37 Need to expand on list in Roadmap Wiki. 12:33:29 q+ to note changes in success criteria may not be on the table 12:33:59 q+ to note ARIA and IndieUI - should this be a section on technologies? Probably add HTML at least to it. 12:36:06 Glossary of terms is needed 12:36:18 So common language can be used 12:36:29 terms, definitions etc 12:36:55 Wiki for now for ease of use/editing 12:37:26 Added to wiki as "Terms and Definitions" 12:37:54 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Terms_and_Definitions 12:38:07 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/index.php?title=Terms_and_Definitions&action=edit&redlink=1 12:38:33 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Roadmap 12:40:27 Like to include emotional disabilities, but not at this time\ 12:40:41 ? 12:40:53 Ryladog has joined #coga 12:41:40 Perhaps a phase two thing - but term clarification is needed 12:42:55 Context is also relevant - looking up emergency medical for example. 12:44:19 John - we may find techniques cover many things 12:44:58 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 12:48:18 John - there are many populations that are not necessarily cognitive impaired that may benefit from our techniques 12:51:27 Mike - comparison of WHO categories with what is covered by COGA - identify benefit groups 12:53:40 Phase two - comparison of WHO categories, Emotional etc added to Roadmap 12:54:12 topic: Set schedules and next steps 12:54:15 Topic: setting schedules and next steps 12:55:31 User research moving ahead, references etc 12:55:45 John, Mike both have action items 12:56:00 Need to edit based on comments 12:57:52 you can dial in rich 12:58:03 let me post a local number 12:58:30 US/Canada: +1 855 202 1356 TOLL FREE (English) 12:58:32 US/Canada: +1 855 202 1356 FREE TOLL FREE (English) 12:58:47 pass code is 81540127 12:58:53 Lisa - More techniques, issue papers, Gap analysis working drafts should be delivered together 12:58:54 Conference ID: 81540127 12:59:21 you are quicker than me ayelet 12:59:51 thanks 13:00:30 Lisa - suggest June 7 for first working drafts 13:00:36 I had it open 13:03:04 EA - Suggest breaking up work into manageable chunks 13:04:11 New techniques need added and existing need reviewed 13:05:03 Add dyscalculia techniques - EA & Neill 13:06:36 Attention/Distraction, Preferences, content modality, help issue papers needed 13:06:46 Other suggested issue papers 13:06:48 Attention and distraction - should we have a user setting at OS level that can stream line the distractions from different apps. how to trun ditistion off with mibile needs to be easy, and back on. 13:06:49 Interoprable preference 13:06:51 How to provide graded help 13:06:53 more on annoying help andf HOW tool toips are rendered on mobile. section in roadmap for user agent (browser) - mechanism for showing and hiding tooltips and help. 13:06:54 Menus and navigation. 13:06:56 media-mobility prefrence. I prefer more visio and less text or the other way. I need lowere reading, less numbers 13:07:34 CORRECTION - June 7 techniques only - not issues papers, issue papers on July 31 13:09:06 we have no audio 13:09:23 Techniques need declutter,not requiring copying, breadcrumbs added 13:09:42 trying to call in again 13:09:45 sorry it timed put 13:09:46 out 13:11:02 John - I will do modality issue paper 13:11:31 Action: JohnRochford_ Modality issue paper 13:11:31 Error finding 'JohnRochford_'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:12:01 Action: EA, neilmilliken Dyscalculia issue paper 13:12:01 Error finding 'EA,'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:12:22 Action: JohnRochford Modality issue paper 13:12:22 Created ACTION-95 - Modality issue paper [on John Rochford - due 2015-04-29]. 13:12:35 Action: EA Dyscalculia issue paper 13:12:35 Created ACTION-96 - Dyscalculia issue paper [on E.A. Draffan - due 2015-04-29]. 13:13:04 Action: slee Graded Help Issue Paper 13:13:04 Error finding 'slee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:13:32 Action: slee Graded Help Issue Paper 13:13:32 Error finding 'slee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:14:02 hello 13:14:05 Action:slee Graded Help Issue Paper 13:14:26 Action: slee Graded Help Issue Paper 13:14:26 Error finding 'slee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:15:15 Action: stevelee Graded Help Issue Paper 13:15:15 Created ACTION-97 - Graded help issue paper [on Steve Lee - due 2015-04-29]. 13:16:43 I think that android might have a setting with no interruptions 13:17:13 I didn't test it properly, but I remember seeing it 13:17:17 Action: Tony_Doran Attention and Distraction issue paper 13:17:18 Created ACTION-98 - Attention and distraction issue paper [on Anthony Doran - due 2015-04-29]. 13:17:23 Terms and Definitions page: Please add a bullet with terms and definitions that you want us to include at the top here: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Terms_and_Definitions 13:18:49 Lisa - Suggest we take one issue paper per week for discusison on call 13:19:34 Lisa - on or after 7th June we can assign issue papers to gap analysis 13:20:08 Focus on issue papers as priority 13:21:06 Action: Mike_Pluke - Second stab at Interoperable User Preferences 13:21:06 Error finding 'Mike_Pluke'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:21:37 Action: mapluke Second stab at Interoperable User Preferences 13:21:37 Error finding 'mapluke'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:22:30 Action: ma_pluke Second stab at Interoperable User Preferences 13:22:30 Error finding 'ma_pluke'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:22:44 Action: mpluke Second stab at Interoperable User Preferences 13:22:44 Created ACTION-99 - second stab at interoperable user preferences [on Mike Pluke - due 2015-04-29]. 13:23:27 Next stage is to take issue papers and feed into gap analysis. 13:24:16 I will be taking a break for 1 hour for a work call starting 30 minutes from now.... 13:41:07 scribe: slee 13:41:41 topic: Interoperable symbols 13:41:47 for non verbal 13:41:55 Topic: interoperable symbols for no verbal 13:42:09 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Interoperable_symbols_for_non_verbal 13:47:20 have you seen http://www.avazapp.com/ 13:47:27 these are symbols used to communicate 13:47:58 some like Blyss are a language - symbols are constructed with a grammer 13:48:18 These are pictograms 13:48:57 They are used by people with limited speech, but can process langugae 13:49:37 another approach is to use a series of icons 13:49:46 http://www.ted.com/talks/ajit_narayanan_a_word_game_to_communicate_in_any_language?language=en 13:50:50 Other people have develomental language limitations 13:51:29 We have potential to make a large impact on people by enabling them the to communicate 13:54:13 Many symbol set are proprietary 13:54:19 Ryladog: OK 13:54:53 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Interoperable_symbols_for_non_verbal 13:55:16 there are open symblol sets but many use CC no commercial 13:56:09 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Interoperable_symbols_for_non_verbal 14:00:14 this shows a potential way to link symbols to a concept - 14:01:13 but there are many issues of naming concepts across languages. 14:04:30 This uses HTML but other technologies may be relevent in wider use - eg RdF 14:06:40 This is for a specific context - where symbolic content has been authored as web content 14:12:32 for example as sentences made of 3 images, each will reference the concept intended by the author 14:13:37 then another user who prefers a different symbol set can have it translated to their symbol for each concept. 14:17:32 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 14:24:57 ayelet_s has joined #coga 14:26:24 http://www.catedu.es/arasaac/ 14:26:31 here is the link for ARASAAC http://www.arasaac.org - issue paper and strategies for use. 14:32:52 here is the link for ARASAAC http://www.arasaac.org - issue paper and strategies for use. 14:33:25 http://www.catedu.es/arasaac/ is a godd set of symbols that could be used as a concept set. 14:33:48 EA says they are working on a project that might be useful as an implementation 14:34:24 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons 14:35:01 q? 14:35:15 ack m 14:35:15 MichaelC, you wanted to note changes in success criteria may not be on the table and to note ARIA and IndieUI - should this be a section on technologies? Probably add HTML at least 14:35:19 ... to it. 14:38:21 topic: JSON scripts for preferences revisited 14:44:36 topic: aira syntax sugestions 14:44:39 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons 14:44:44 cancelled topic - we were thinking of implementation details which could be used as example 14:44:50 topic: aira syntax sugestions 14:45:02 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons 14:48:09 the noun project 14:48:28 https://thenounproject.com 14:50:58 JohnRochford_ has joined #Coga 15:05:28 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 15:09:16 The icons for symbols could be changed using CSS 0 aria selector and background image 15:10:01 Examples include https://thenounproject.com 15:10:25 note many symbols that are universally recognised do not make so much sense- eg floppy for save 15:11:45 some concern over users chosing to not show certain parts of page - eg offers 15:12:07 But that is already done for readability say 15:14:42 somethings like popup filtering are already covered by blockers 15:15:03 this is an addition way to mark up content to give richer user experiences 15:18:33 q? 15:27:57 topics: need to define terms cognitive, intellectual and learning in glossary 15:28:08 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Terms_and_Definitions 15:28:55 The complexity is regional variation either splits or lumps. 15:31:12 intellectual disability means low IQ 15:34:41 Techniques documents edits - use of symbol and icon to be consistent with our terms. 15:37:56 Topic: google translate 15:38:57 problem is when a site says 'use our site in Spanish' and use google translate. Not occaisional use. 15:40:05 So the site does not use a native speaker to translate but give no inidcation. 15:40:28 we will add a technique to make it clear 15:44:07 action: Lisa to restructure techniques page 15:44:07 Created ACTION-100 - Restructure techniques page [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-04-29]. 15:45:52 topic: voiceML 15:51:26 q+ 15:54:09 The issues is the timing - eg pauses lose people 16:01:35 Thanks and congrats to all. Espec John for coming from US and Neil for orgainising venue 16:02:34 VoiceML - personalisation is the answer 16:03:29 janina_ has joined #coga 18:04:00 Lisa_Seeman has joined #coga 18:07:50 Lisa_Seeman has joined #coga 18:08:16 rrsagent, make logs public 18:08:28 rrsagent, create minutes 18:08:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 18:11:08 Zakim has left #coga 19:19:32 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 19:42:03 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 20:46:48