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14:54:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
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14:54:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
14:54:32 <trackbot> Date: 21 April 2015
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15:00:43 <dbooth> zakim, aaaa is Tony
15:00:43 <Zakim> +Tony; got it
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15:04:15 <dbooth> zakim, aacc is pknapp
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15:04:23 <harry> zakim, aadd is harry
15:04:23 <Zakim> sorry, harry, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
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15:05:56 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:05:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, Tony, rhausam, lloyd, pknapp, harry, bpech, +1.310.266.aaff
15:05:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Marc_Twagirumukiza, pknapp, harry, Lloyd, Tony, rhausam, bpech, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, egonw, TallTed, trackbot, cloudcell_, ericP
15:06:31 <dbooth> zakim, aaff is claude
15:06:32 <Zakim> +claude; got it
15:06:46 <dbooth> Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meetings
15:06:53 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150414
15:07:43 <dbooth> RESOLVED: April 14 minutes approved!
15:08:22 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF and Validation/Translation Task Force
15:08:28 <dbooth> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-hcls-minutes.html
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15:09:10 <dbooth> zakim, IPcalle is rafael
15:09:10 <Zakim> sorry, dbooth, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcalle'
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15:12:01 <dbooth> discussed ordering.
15:12:38 <dbooth> lloyd: also discussed codeable concept and codeing and code.  Discussed the idea of them all sharing the same RDF structure to simplify reasoning.
15:13:12 <Zakim> + +1.323.444.aagg
15:13:23 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Zakim, aagg  is Marc_Twagirumukiza
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15:16:14 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
15:16:49 <Rafael_Richards> [could you post the details of the Paris meeting?]
15:16:59 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF Project Scope Statement (Claude Nanjo)
15:22:41 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> schema.org is broader and evolutive than foaf. BTW bo have the same co-founder (Dan Brickley)
15:22:47 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> +1 adding it there
15:26:48 <dbooth> (claude reviews draft PSS on gotomeeting)
15:27:45 <Rafael_Richards> http://www.fortherecordmag.com/archives/1013p10.shtml
15:29:31 <dbooth> rafael: Would be good to look at ICD-11 "linearization" that provides different granularities.  Maybe leverage their work or vice versa.
15:30:56 <dbooth> ACTION: Claude to send to Paul for approval by ITS group at this afternoon's meeting
15:30:56 <trackbot> Error finding 'Claude'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
15:31:05 <Rafael_Richards> SNOMED - ICD-11:  common foundation ontology approach:   http://www.imecchi.org/IMECCHI/Agenda/20111031_JMR.pdf
15:31:40 <dbooth> David makes motion to approve PSS; Claude seconds.
15:31:47 <dbooth> RESOLVED: PSS approved!
15:32:14 <Rafael_Richards> commentary on direct use of ICD-11:   http://motorcycleguy.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-icd-10-delay-icd-11-and-snomed-ct.html
15:32:34 <dbooth> Topic: Side-by-side example of two FHIR RDF approaches (Tony Mallia)
15:32:40 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/images/2/25/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
15:33:04 <dbooth> sorry, old link.  here's the new one: http://wiki.hl7.org/images/1/19/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons_v2.pdf
15:34:06 <Rafael_Richards> Shared Ontological Bridge between ICD-11 and SNOMED:  http://ihtsdo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/doc/showcase/show14/SnomedCtShowcase2014_Abstract_14095.pdf
15:36:22 <dbooth> 1 Datatypes (section 1.17.3.3)
15:36:22 <dbooth> Difference in the treatment of datatypes as cl
15:36:33 <dbooth> Difference in the treatment of datatypes as classes or rdf:Datatypes.
15:37:38 <dbooth> The anonymous instance is needed to attach extensions, so it will be put in.
15:37:47 <dbooth> 2 Concept Reference external (section 1.17.3.3.5)
15:42:39 <dbooth> david: If you want to concatenate the coding.system and coding.code to form a valid URI like http://loinc.org/554411-4.ttl, then there must be conventions to ensure that a valid URI is generated.
15:43:06 <dbooth> lloyd: No concatenation.  Inference would be used instead to look up the correct URI.
15:45:35 <dbooth> tony: No seeing good results with reasoners for dealing with blank nodes.
15:46:05 <dbooth> david: In going from FHIR XML to FHIR RDF, would enough info be known to determine the right URI <http://loinc.org/54411-4.ttl> ?
15:46:24 <Zakim> -Marc_Twagirumukiza
15:47:48 <dbooth> lloyd: Intention is that we'd define an ext in FHIR that would turn into an RDF type when you generate RDF, so that you can carry if it is not declared.  If not declared it would be inferred from an ont that has knowledge of both FHIR and that terminology.
15:48:37 <dbooth> tony: The URI could be provided in a FHIR extension.
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15:53:15 <dbooth> david: if a custom coding.system URI is used, how would the FHIR XML to RDF translator know what URI to generate for the class?
15:53:56 <dbooth> tony: If you don't know that custom ontology anyway, then the class URI would not matter.
15:54:15 <dbooth> paul: You might be able to specify a pattern: base + code
15:56:07 <Zakim> -harry
15:57:00 <dbooth> tony: The class URI would be option.  If you don't know the coding.system then you would not have the class.
15:57:57 <Zakim> -bpech
15:59:00 <dbooth> david: Need to distinguish between the minimum RDF that would be needed for round-tripping, versus additional RDF that may be inferred or calculated to support RDF applications.
16:01:21 <dbooth> tony: RDF version of the profile might be required to indicate the class URI <http://loinc.org/54411-4.ttl>.
16:01:36 <ericP> hi gang, i'm sorry i didn't make it in today
16:01:53 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-mobile
16:01:53 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
16:01:55 <Zakim> +EricP
16:02:44 <dbooth> claude: Maybe the profile should define the pattern for generating the class name from the coding.system and code.
16:03:24 <Zakim> -claude
16:04:29 <dbooth> david: we should take this up tomorrow.
16:05:23 <dbooth> rafael: bioportal.org is interested in the quality of their SMART 1.0 and mappings to ICD-11.
16:06:08 <dbooth> ... Chris Chute is bridging ICD-11 and SNOMED
16:06:34 <dbooth> ... Interested in the quality of that for multi-vocab management
16:06:54 <dbooth> eric: What's the quality of the particular vocab?  and how could is their infrastructure for expressing mappings?
16:08:10 <Zakim> -Tony
16:08:12 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
16:08:12 <Zakim> -rafael
16:08:19 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
16:08:19 <Zakim> -rhausam
16:08:23 <Zakim> -EricP
16:08:38 <Zakim> -DBooth
16:08:52 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:08:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:12:23 <dbooth> Present: Kerstin_Forsberg Marc_Twagirumukiza Rafael_Richards Tony_Mallia Brian_Pech Claude_Nanjo David_Booth egonw EricP harry Lloyd_McKenzie Paul Knapp Rafael_Richards Rob_Hausam Ingeborg
16:12:34 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:12:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
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