07:54:48 RRSAgent has joined #coga 07:54:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc 07:54:50 RRSAgent, make logs 389 07:54:50 Zakim has joined #coga 07:54:52 Zakim, this will be 2642 07:54:52 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_CogTF()3:00AM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago 07:54:53 Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 07:54:53 Date: 21 April 2015 07:54:58 trackbot, make log world 07:54:58 Sorry, MichaelC, I don't understand 'trackbot, make log world'. Please refer to for help. 07:55:05 rrsagent, make log world 07:55:57 WAI_CogTF()3:00AM has now started 07:56:04 +??P1 08:00:26 +??P3 08:00:33 zakim, ??P3 is me 08:00:33 +janina; got it 08:01:52 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/FTF_issues_and_agenda 08:02:06 meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Face to Face, Day 1 08:38:08 Lisa_Seeman has joined #coga 08:39:28 zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF 08:39:28 ok, Lisa_Seeman, I see WAI_CogTF()3:00AM already started 08:39:48 chair: Lisa_Seeman 08:40:02 hello michael 08:40:09 Hello, Lisa! 08:40:22 Hello Janina! 08:40:30 We are helping people find the building 08:40:34 and the room 08:46:31 we are calling in 08:46:49 +neilmilliken 08:47:09 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 08:48:47 zakim, neil has Lisa_Seeman, Steve_Lee, John_Rochford, Tony_Doran, Mike_Pluke 08:48:47 +Lisa_Seeman, Steve_Lee, John_Rochford, Tony_Doran, Mike_Pluke; got it 08:51:12 -neilmilliken 08:52:40 ok, try again 08:52:50 the plug feel 08:52:55 fell 08:53:58 JohnRochford has joined #coga 08:54:33 +neilmilliken 09:02:16 will need to tell people more when we are going out the room 09:04:58 slee has joined #coga 09:05:20 neilmilliken has joined #coga 09:05:31 JohnRochford has joined #coga 09:05:37 Good morning 09:05:45 scribe: slee 09:06:32 Mike_Pluke has joined #coga 09:06:47 ack me 09:08:25 topic: Orientation 09:08:27 - 09:08:28 Meeting technologie 09:08:42 Topic: orientation - meeting technologies 09:08:43 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page 09:09:45 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/FTF_issues_and_agenda 09:10:12 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/FTF_issues_and_agenda 09:10:34 ack me 09:11:41 ayelet_s has joined #coga 09:12:14 Our mandate is to produce a Gap analysis and roadmap to guide W3C in supporting coga 09:12:54 + +972.5.467.5aaaa 09:13:11 zakim, aaaa is me 09:13:11 +ayelet_s; got it 09:13:45 we have produced a User Research is a collection of information used to inform other work. Is at 1st Draft status 09:14:01 User research is now on github 09:15:14 Now creating techniques to collate and guide devs - 1st editors draft 09:16:32 Also creating issue papers to cover areas that need attention 09:16:56 https://github.com/w3c/coga/tree/master/issue-papers 09:17:04 https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/index.html 09:17:15 issue papers and techniques also on git hub at https://github.com/w3c/coga/tree/master 09:19:09 topic: relationship with WCAG and PF 09:19:57 WCAG - we will impact their deliverables (WCAG) 09:20:57 PF - we influence ARIA and other key W3C technology specs 09:21:22 in both cases we have opportunity to ensure coga is well supported 09:23:06 Also we can see how existing tech can share concepts to support coga by getting involved in conversations 09:23:44 WCAGs new draft charter specifically includes coga 09:24:43 WCAG want 1st working draft of coga extension by Nov 09:28:29 Topic: Gap Analysis 09:32:23 ack me 09:34:51 The details of WCAG extensions are being worked out. currently 2: coga, mobile. 09:35:44 RFC2119 defined at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 09:36:23 thanks 09:37:04 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 09:37:08 sorry for interrupting michael - i just didnt want people to not understand the terms 09:37:40 They are likely to be layered on top of WCAG and will be normative (see RFC2119 defined at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119) 09:38:26 For example techniques are not normative 09:39:43 it is not yet clear if extension can override the core spec - we need to think about that 09:40:06 also not clear if A/AA/AAA will apply to extensions 09:41:55 rrsagent, make minutes 09:41:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-minutes.html MichaelC 09:42:00 we can influence the structure of the coga extension by discussing with WCAG 09:43:48 q+ 09:48:09 q- 09:49:05 Chaohai_Ding has joined #coga 09:53:38 ayelet_s_ has joined #coga 09:57:03 http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-minutes.html 09:58:53 the coga strategy is to concentrate on what needs to be done then what can be done and by keeping the gap analysis showing how it can fit it with WCAG once extension and refresh once details of extensions are clearer 10:00:49 I can't hear very well - is it just me? 10:01:46 thank you 10:01:57 Lisa using a tree chart to help analyse coga support of/in WCAG 10:02:42 Can suggest techniques to be added to WCAG 10:06:26 Very likely to need to look at conformance levels. Thoughts that some coga issues are currently at AAA but we'd most likely like them at AA so more often implemented 10:07:40 q+ 10:07:41 do we need additional success criteria for similar reasons 10:08:32 ack me 10:09:37 q? 10:10:26 http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2-req/ 10:10:46 -ayelet_s 10:11:17 +ayelet_s 10:12:17 Criterion that are testable are more likely to be adopted by WCAG 10:13:23 ack me 10:14:21 providing a testing methodology will help (doesn't have to be tool testing,can be user) 10:15:57 +??P4 10:16:00 -??P4 10:20:45 coga and mobile extension will interplay 10:23:32 wearables are poised to be highly popular and used under cognitive load 10:27:41 iOT is also important (we have an issue paper already) 10:30:46 Aria and IndiUI are related to our work and also have modules, 10:31:49 However for coga design and contenta are very important and may not be directly handled in other activities 10:39:07 neilmilliken has joined #coga 10:47:32 Other W3C activities like VoiceML where we can have important impact 10:59:50 -ayelet_s 11:00:17 Providing extended help can be supported via technology like ARIA or standards cross content design 11:12:31 topic: gap anlyalis table of content 11:12:45 NeilMilliken has joined #Coga 11:12:47 +ayelet_s 11:12:49 http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-minutes.html 11:12:58 topic: gap anlyalis table of content 11:13:19 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 11:13:21 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis 11:14:22 scribe:tony 11:14:54 New table of contents for Gap Analysis 11:16:01 Need to identify types of Gaps 11:17:39 Important to state limitations in gap analysis 11:18:05 Roadmap solutions are based on gap analysis 11:18:21 q? 11:19:18 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Methodology_for_gap_analysis 11:19:24 topi: methodogy 11:21:06 Gap analysis feeds into roadmap. 11:22:14 We do not need research provided experts are confident. Reasearch is the Gold standard but is not necessary. 11:22:38 If the WG has concensus. 11:23:10 Company specific research needs to be evaluated. 11:24:12 it may be skewed. Caution is advised. 11:28:51 Gap is defined as "When a person could theoretically do something but is hindered by design/implementation" 11:29:51 Content may also be the issue. 11:35:23 Undeclared disability is an issue 11:39:03 Stigma and privacy is also an issue - people may not request accomodations as it may draw attention 11:42:20 Gap analysis category format is preferred. 11:43:29 JohnRochford_ has joined #Coga 11:59:20 Tables to be used under category. 12:01:05 Headings - Suggestion, Reason, Confidence level, Who it helps and See Also 12:01:30 See Also may reference other WG work, references or relevant information 12:03:37 15 minit lunch and bathroom 12:03:44 -ayelet_s 12:12:52 ayelet_s has joined #coga 12:17:53 +ayelet_s 12:25:58 Tony_Doran has joined #coga 12:26:17 -ayelet_s 12:27:23 would you be able to write on the irc channel when you begin? Thanks 12:29:04 Lisa_Seeman has joined #coga 12:29:25 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 12:34:07 +ayelet_s 12:35:26 scribe: mike 12:35:47 scribe: Mike_Pluke 12:36:35 -ayelet_s 12:36:56 +ayelet_s 12:37:06 Starting to look at a gap analysis on privacy and security 12:37:21 https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/index.html 12:37:31 I was worried it was just me 12:37:41 we are back now 12:37:48 ayelet_s: ^ 12:38:08 thanks neil 12:38:31 thanks :) 12:38:47 https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/privacy-security.html 12:39:15 ea has joined #coga 12:39:26 JohnRochford_ has joined #Coga 12:39:58 https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/privacy-security.html 12:41:05 rrsagent, create minutes 12:41:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 12:42:59 Lisa, would it be possible for you to get closer to the microphone? thanks 12:43:12 ok 12:43:24 thank you 12:46:21 The ease of use section of the web security proposed solutions contain some very important but very broad topics e.g. Develop and use common sets of vocabulary and iconography across web security and privacy technologies 12:46:42 These are probably outside the remit of W3C alone 12:48:06 In the category of new requirements we might have to indicate that copying is not an acceptable task for users 12:51:19 topic: User research document 12:51:25 q? 12:51:30 The only way to progress the work will be to bring a "solution" to a meeting and then iteratively change it. 12:52:12 zakim, who is here? 12:52:12 On the phone I see Michael_Cooper (muted), janina, neilmilliken, ayelet_s 12:52:15 On IRC I see JohnRochford_, ea, richardschwerdtfeger, Lisa_Seeman, Tony_Doran, ayelet_s, NeilMilliken, Chaohai_Ding, Mike_Pluke, slee, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, janina, trackbot 12:52:22 NEW TOPIC: User research document 12:52:49 https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/user-research.html 12:55:35 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 12:55:42 https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/user-research.html 12:55:42 restructuring the user research document 13:01:43 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger 13:04:57 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger 13:09:35 Discussion of the possibility of a phase 2 of user research 13:13:42 Mike, could you put in the 2 options? 13:15:22 Suggesting that the Downs Syndrome should be reconsidered alongside intellectual disabilities (with Downs Syndrome as an example). John has volunteered to do the work. 13:17:28 Mike will attempt to separate the Aging and Dementia category - whilst maintaining the link 13:17:49 thanks Mike 13:19:09 action: john to change down syndrom section to Intelectual disabilities and use DS as an example , with discalimer 13:19:09 'john' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jfoliot, JohnRochford). 13:19:45 action: JohnRochford to change down syndrom section to Intelectual disabilities and use DS as an example , with discalimer 13:19:45 Created ACTION-88 - Change down syndrom section to intelectual disabilities and use ds as an example , with discalimer [on John Rochford - due 2015-04-28]. 13:23:04 action: Mike to seprate aging and demaintia in user reaserch 13:23:04 'Mike' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., mpluke, mikes). 13:26:25 Age-related cognitive decline is a common term - but aging is not a disability! 13:29:39 ayelet? 13:29:43 yes 13:29:52 TOPIC Getting citations right 13:30:23 TOPIC: Getting citations right 13:30:41 TOPIC: Getting citations right 13:31:12 we can here 13:31:16 hear 13:31:43 • https://github.com/tobie/specref 13:32:07 Step 1: Check if citation already exists 13:32:40 ack me 13:33:47 -ayelet_s 13:34:10 +ayelet_s 13:34:35 https://github.com/w3c/coga/blob/master/common/biblio.js 13:37:36 "Banaschewski-1": { "title": "Colour perception in ADHD", "authors": "Banaschewski, T.", "etAl": true, "publisher": "Journal of child psychology and psychiatry, and allied disciplines, Vol 47 Issue 6", "publishDate": "2006", //"pages": "568-572", }, 13:38:33 "authors": [ "de Cock, M.", "Maas, Y. G.", "Van De Bor, M." ], 13:43:54 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 13:46:39 If the reference exists, then just put the reference within double square brackets e.g. [[APA-1]] 13:47:57 If not present - send an email to Ayelet and say that [[LISA-1]] is this reference - and quote the reference from LISA. 13:47:58 my email is ayelet.projects1@gmail.com 13:50:30 https://github.com/w3c/coga/blob/master/common/biblio.js 13:52:03 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Citations 13:52:52 this is the wiki of the citations, it's slightly out of date, but I hope to update it tonight 13:52:53 thanks!! 13:53:08 welcome! 13:54:30 TOPIC: Cognitive Functions and Feedback 13:55:39 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 13:56:40 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-coga-comments/2015Feb/0000.html 14:00:28 Feedback not addressed being discussed 14:10:00 q+ to say fixed bug with references generation 14:11:10 I'm not catching much, so I think I will join Rich. 14:11:15 -ayelet_s 14:17:15 ayelet? 14:18:13 Better view of the references now being output: https://w3c.github.io/coga/user-research/#references 14:18:15 q- 14:22:10 One comment proposed basing categories on ICF, ICD-10 and DSM. This is the approach taken by ETSI STF 488. 14:26:57 -Michael_Cooper 14:30:36 +ayelet_s 14:30:48 -ayelet_s 14:32:13 +ayelet_s 14:34:55 211taxonomie.org 14:35:09 https://211taxonomy.org/ 14:37:56 http://www.who.int/classifications/icd/en/ 14:38:29 JohnRochford has joined #Coga 14:39:41 http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx 14:39:43 http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx 14:39:53 also the ICF 14:45:33 action: Ayelet to look at harminze with the who and eman http://www.who.int/classifications/icd/en/ and dsm and ICF , ISM 14:45:34 Created ACTION-89 - Look at harminze with the who and eman http://www.who.int/classifications/icd/en/ and dsm and icf , ism [on Ayelet Seeman - due 2015-04-28]. 14:45:59 John Rochford drew attention to the AIRS/211 LA County Taxonomy of Human Services. 14:48:20 Ayelet has agreed to take a look at this and John Rochford has agreed to pay for her subscription to do this. 14:48:58 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 14:49:21 topic: GPII and adaptable content 14:50:36 scribe: Chaohai_Ding 14:51:10 New Topic: GPII and Adaptable Content 14:52:47 http://wiki.gpii.net/w/Architecture_Overview 14:54:12 Introduce the the GPII Architecture Illustrated 14:55:27 User listeners component will detect this key and send it to the Flow Manager 14:58:14 +??P9 15:00:17 All the architecture design is done , but no budget to run the GPII server. 15:00:52 -Michael_Cooper 15:08:59 zakim, who is here? 15:08:59 On the phone I see janina, neilmilliken, ayelet_s 15:09:01 On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, JohnRochford, ea, Lisa_Seeman, Tony_Doran, ayelet_s, Chaohai_Ding, Mike_Pluke, slee, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, janina, trackbot 15:10:39 The finance support for AT products or services and collaboration with industrial companies is discussed. 15:11:46 http://www.tamercrea.es/rtf/wp-content/uploads/GPII.png 15:12:31 neilmilliken has joined #coga 15:13:11 Steve Lee introduced the major components in GPII 15:19:25 discussed the AT products and the important of content design 15:25:03 Tim has joined #coga 15:27:53 http://wiki.gpii.net/w/Preference_Terms_Dictionary 15:28:08 http://terms.raisingthefloor.org/details/magnification 15:30:52 Introduce the framework of GPII preference terms and the terms are crowdsourced data 15:31:00 -ayelet_s 15:31:21 +ayelet_s 15:38:18 zakim, who is here? 15:38:18 On the phone I see janina, neilmilliken, ayelet_s 15:38:20 On IRC I see neilmilliken, JohnRochford, ea, Lisa_Seeman, Tony_Doran, ayelet_s, Chaohai_Ding, Mike_Pluke, slee, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, janina, trackbot 15:45:25 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/573324/presentations/CSUN2015/INotifier/index.html 15:46:50 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons 15:55:16 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga 15:59:03 http://restylethis.com/site/ 16:25:42 +??P1 16:27:13 -ayelet_s 16:28:37 +ayelet_s 16:35:15 We need to fix the audio 16:38:22 No one seems to be scribing! 16:40:01 Now discuss the issues for implementing the adaptable content 16:42:34 The needs for building a demo fro adaptable symbols is also discussed. 16:44:46 Steve Lee stated the symbol based user interface and there are 4 volunteers trying to build the demos from different ways. 16:45:23 action: Lisa to write a speck for json/rest personlisation thing 16:45:23 Created ACTION-90 - Write a speck for json/rest personlisation thing [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-04-28]. 16:48:54 Now discuss what other specification needed for this json/rest personlization thing 16:49:29 zakim, who is here? 16:49:29 On the phone I see janina, neilmilliken, Michael_Cooper (muted), ayelet_s 16:49:31 On IRC I see ea, Lisa_Seeman, Tony_Doran, Chaohai_Ding, Mike_Pluke, slee, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, janina, trackbot 16:51:39 The need of place for registrate the JSON-based profile is discussed. 16:52:00 action: steve to identify what pieces are needed for thejson speck 16:52:00 Created ACTION-91 - Identify what pieces are needed for thejson speck [on Steve Lee - due 2015-04-28]. 16:53:02 ack me 16:53:26 rrsagent, create minutes 16:53:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 16:56:36 -ayelet_s 16:57:02 1. Dial +44-20-7100-6747 16:57:12 2. At the prompt dial *5032220# 16:57:21 3. At the Zakim prompt dial 2642# 16:57:52 rrsagent, create minutes 16:57:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 16:58:54 zakim, please part 16:58:54 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, janina, Lisa_Seeman, Steve_Lee, John_Rochford, Tony_Doran, Mike_Pluke, neilmilliken, +972.5.467.5aaaa, ayelet_s, 16:58:54 Zakim has left #coga 16:58:57 ... Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:59:06 rrsagent, please part 16:59:06 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-actions.rdf : 16:59:06 ACTION: john to change down syndrom section to Intelectual disabilities and use DS as an example , with discalimer [1] 16:59:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc#T13-19-09 16:59:06 ACTION: JohnRochford to change down syndrom section to Intelectual disabilities and use DS as an example , with discalimer [2] 16:59:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc#T13-19-45 16:59:06 ACTION: Mike to seprate aging and demaintia in user reaserch [3] 16:59:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc#T13-23-04 16:59:06 ACTION: Ayelet to look at harminze with the who and eman http://www.who.int/classifications/icd/en/ and dsm and ICF , ISM [4] 16:59:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc#T14-45-33 16:59:06 ACTION: Lisa to write a speck for json/rest personlisation thing [5] 16:59:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc#T16-45-23 16:59:06 ACTION: steve to identify what pieces are needed for thejson speck [6] 16:59:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/21-coga-irc#T16-52-00