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19:48:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
19:48:35 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:48:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:48:36 <trackbot> Date: 15 April 2015
19:49:26 <eparsons> RRSAgent, make logs public
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20:01:45 <JoshLieberman> zakim, 8579191071 is me
20:01:45 <Zakim> sorry, JoshLieberman, I do not recognize a party named '8579191071'
20:02:21 <eparsons> phila - zakim is not working ??
20:02:28 <Frans> There seems to be a problem. Zakim does not acknowledge newcomers
20:02:44 <eparsons> have I missed a step ?
20:03:32 <eparsons> chair: eparsons
20:03:46 <phila-restaurant> zzakim, who is here?
20:04:25 <phila-restaurant> zzakim, this is sdw
20:04:50 <phila-restaurant> zakim, this is sdw
20:04:50 <Zakim> sorry, phila-restaurant, I do not see a conference named 'sdw' in progress or scheduled at this time
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20:05:16 <phila-restaurant> zakim, this is sdwwg
20:05:16 <Zakim> sorry, phila-restaurant, I do not see a conference named 'sdwwg' in progress or scheduled at this time
20:05:20 <John_Machin> !
20:05:33 <eparsons> scribe: Frans
20:05:48 <phila-restaurant> zakim, this will be sdw
20:05:48 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, phila-restaurant
20:05:57 <Frans> genda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150415#Main_agenda
20:06:05 <Frans> s/genda/agenda/
20:06:23 <eparsons> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-sdw-minutes.html
20:06:27 <Frans> Ed: no new people on the call
20:06:34 <eparsons> +1
20:06:45 <Frans> +1
20:06:47 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:06:48 <IanHolt> +1
20:06:52 <Linda> +1
20:06:56 <phila-restaurant> eparsons - I'm trying to get zakim to behave
20:06:57 <JoshLieberman> +1
20:06:59 <Frans> Ed: are the minutes from last meeting OK?
20:07:00 <John_Machin> +1
20:07:04 <Alejandro_Llaves> +1
20:07:06 <eparsons> thanks phil
20:07:10 <MattPerry> +1
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20:07:22 <ChrisLit> +1minutes
20:07:28 <phila-restaurant> zakim, list conferences
20:07:28 <Zakim> I see no active conferences and none scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
20:07:59 <Frans> Ed: Main topic is the Best Practices deliverable
20:08:14 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Notes_for_Context
20:08:18 <Frans> Link to the deliverable: http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/charter#bp
20:09:30 <Frans> Ed: Any opinions?
20:09:40 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:10:09 <Frans> ??: OGC has a format for best practices
20:10:46 <phila-restaurant> present+ Ed, Cory, Josh, Alejandro, John, Linda, Frans, Ian, Chris, Andrea, Danbri, Matt
20:11:00 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:11:12 <eparsons> ack next
20:11:35 <JoshLieberman> Is there a W3C example of a best practice that we can review?
20:11:49 <phila-restaurant> Regrets: Kerry, Rachel, Antoine
20:12:04 <eparsons> joshlieberman > https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Notes_for_Context
20:13:11 <Frans> AndreaPerego: Should we look at other examples of best practices?
20:13:50 <JoshLieberman> Here is the Data on the Web repository: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_table
20:13:55 <Frans> AndreaPerego: Take different perspectives into account
20:14:32 <Frans> Ed: cross reference other documents where possible
20:14:45 <John_Machin> +1 makes a lot of sense to look like other best practice documents that relate with our work, but should be internally complete
20:15:32 <John_Machin> +q
20:15:37 <AndreaPerego> +1 to being practical
20:15:37 <eparsons> ack next
20:15:59 <Frans> Ed: Deliverable should be practicle
20:16:07 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:16:08 <Alejandro_Llaves> +1 agree with Ed
20:16:10 <IanHolt> +1 to Ed and John on practical deliverables
20:16:12 <JoshLieberman> q+
20:16:16 <eparsons> ack next
20:16:19 <Frans> q+
20:16:42 <ChrisLit> Q+
20:16:48 <IanHolt> q+
20:16:48 <eparsons> ack next
20:17:48 <Frans> Frans: will we develop ontologies?
20:17:55 <eparsons> ack next
20:17:59 <Frans> Ed: that would be a challenge
20:18:44 <Frans> ChrisLit: there are standards and guides
20:19:07 <Frans> ChrisLit: The BP deliverable should be a guide
20:19:18 <JoshLieberman> q+
20:19:33 <Frans> Ed: agree, BP deliverable should not be too abstract
20:19:48 <Alejandro_Llaves> +q on ideas for the BP document
20:19:55 <eparsons> ack next
20:20:09 <Frans> IanHolt: Agrees on practicality
20:20:32 <Frans> IanHolt: Worries about the dating side of things
20:20:51 <phila-restaurant> I'm only on IRC so thiz will be out of turn but IF the WG wants/needs tto creat ontologies, it can
20:21:03 <Frans> Ed: We need to look at how revisions will work
20:21:06 <eparsons> ack next
20:21:47 <Frans> JoshLieberman: differences between W3C and OGC is that W3C BPs are more granular
20:22:24 <Frans> JoshLieberman: Pick the granularity that is most useful
20:22:43 <Frans> s/differences/difference/
20:22:49 <eparsons> ack next
20:22:50 <Zakim> Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on ideas for the BP document
20:24:11 <Frans> Alejandro_Llaves: Would like to apply Linked Data principles to elements of BP
20:25:07 <Frans> Ed: Yes, we want to make spatial data linkable
20:25:13 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:25:33 <John_Machin> +1 to Alejandro_Llaves suggested model
20:26:06 <Frans> ChrisLit: In response to Ian: recommends to identify changes
20:26:07 <eparsons> ack next
20:26:41 <Frans> AndreaPerego: How technical do we want the BP to be?
20:26:44 <Alejandro_Llaves> Actually, what I suggested is to have something similar to the Linked Data principles document for the common activities we find in the BP use cases, e.g. publishing spatial data, discovery spatial data, etc. But not directly apply the LD principles...
20:27:25 <Frans> Thanks, my audio is not optimal
20:27:37 <Alejandro_Llaves> no prob!
20:28:41 <Frans> Ed: relates to practicality
20:29:05 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:29:15 <Frans> q+
20:29:17 <eparsons> ack next
20:29:59 <Frans> AndreaPerego: The more technical the BP are, the easier the BP get outdated.
20:30:14 <eparsons> ack next
20:30:38 <IanHolt> q+
20:31:15 <JoshLieberman> It is generally the nature of best practices to evolve more rapidly than other types of specification...
20:31:18 <eparsons> ack next
20:31:54 <Frans> Frans: We could try to cater for multiple levels of technicality, to accomodate different types of readers
20:32:00 <John_Machin> +1 Frans
20:32:11 <Linda>  q+
20:32:17 <John_Machin> +q
20:32:19 <eparsons> ack next
20:32:37 <John_Machin> -q
20:32:48 <Frans> Linda: Wonders if the deliverable will be frozen or if it will live on
20:33:03 <JoshLieberman> q+
20:33:05 <eparsons> ack next
20:33:15 <AndreaPerego> +1 to Ian about the idea of having "implementations" of high level BPs
20:33:25 <Frans> Ed to look into document freezing
20:33:33 <John_Machin> +1 need to discuss the question Linda raised
20:33:37 <Frans> ACTION: Ed to look into document freezing
20:33:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Look into document freezing [on Ed Parsons - due 2015-04-22].
20:33:57 <Linda> q+
20:34:19 <eparsons> ack next
20:34:28 <Frans> ??: let us avouid versioning troubles
20:35:03 <AndreaPerego> s/let us avouid/let's avoid/
20:35:04 <Frans> Linda: we could have a comply-or-explain list
20:36:36 <Frans> Ed: hopefully we can refer to other resources for technical details
20:37:03 <Linda> q+
20:37:06 <Frans> q+
20:37:08 <Alejandro_Llaves> Ed, yes that would be ideal
20:37:10 <eparsons> ack next
20:37:43 <Frans> Linda: Ian mentioned having implementations. Will those be reference implementations?
20:38:08 <AndreaPerego> Pobably we should call them "implementation guidelines"
20:38:08 <eparsons> ack next
20:38:30 <Frans> Linda: Examples are good.
20:38:33 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:38:55 <Frans> Linda: Reference implementations will be desirable
20:39:01 <AndreaPerego> q-
20:40:11 <AndreaPerego> s/Pobably/Probably,/
20:40:16 <eparsons> frans: start as soon as possible with a deliverable in mind
20:40:47 <JoshLieberman> Should we adopt the repository - template structure from https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_table ?
20:41:50 <eparsons> q?
20:41:59 <Frans> Ed: let us take a few more weeks to finish UCR
20:42:14 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:43:30 <Frans> Ed: let us describe the desired structure on a wiki page
20:43:50 <Frans> Ed: a bullet list of what should be in the BP document
20:43:58 <AndreaPerego> +1 to Ed's proposal to start discussion on design principles
20:44:32 <Frans> Ed: let us describe design principles for the BP document
20:45:12 <John_Machin> +1 to starting with principles, but end in practices
20:45:15 <Frans> ChrisLit: At some time we need to look at existing OGC material
20:45:49 <Frans> Ed: Yes, that will be one of the principles: reference what is already there
20:46:27 <Frans> Ed: we need to arrive at a common level of understanding
20:46:34 <Frans> Ed: and we need editors too
20:47:14 <Frans> Ed: remember: next call will be at a different time
20:48:03 <IanHolt> Thanks. Bye.
20:48:04 <Alejandro_Llaves> bye, thanks!
20:48:06 <John_Machin> thanks bye!
20:48:12 <AndreaPerego> Bye
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20:48:39 <Frans> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:48:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-sdw-minutes.html Frans
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