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13:23:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:23:11 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:23:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:23:12 <trackbot> Date: 15 April 2015
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13:31:29 <Vivienne> regrets: yehya Mohamad
13:31:43 <shadi> chair: Vivienne, Mark
13:31:50 <shadi> scribe: shadi
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13:34:32 <shadi> present: Klaus, Annika, Vivienne, Mark, David, Jason, Shadi
13:34:53 <Vivienne> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
13:34:54 <Vivienne> Agenda+ Co-Chair's Group Update
13:34:54 <Vivienne> Agenda+ RDWG Charter: discussion on WAI Charter and RDWG direction
13:34:54 <Vivienne> Agenda+ Status of existing reports:
13:34:55 <Vivienne> Agenda+ Accreditation Catalogue Topic Review
13:34:55 <Vivienne>                 Please look at https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accreditation
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13:35:42 <sharper> zakim, Agenda?
13:35:42 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:35:43 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from Vivienne]
13:35:43 <Zakim> 2. Co-Chair's Group Update [from Vivienne]
13:35:43 <Zakim> 3. RDWG Charter: discussion on WAI Charter and RDWG direction [from Vivienne]
13:35:44 <Zakim> 4. Status of existing reports: [from Vivienne]
13:35:44 <Zakim> 5. Accreditation Catalogue Topic Review [from Vivienne]
13:35:50 <sharper> I have telecom problems
13:35:52 <shadi> present: Klaus, Annika, Vivienne, Mark, David, Jason, Shadi, Simon
13:36:01 <sharper> And need to leave at 15:00 my time
13:39:08 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:39:08 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Co-Chair's Group Update" taken up [from Vivienne]
13:39:36 <shadi> SAZ: feedback from AC that RDWG needs to demonstrate more value
13:39:51 <shadi> ...and also more relevance to W3C work
13:40:06 <shadi> ...lack of publication of reports is an issue
13:40:17 <shadi> ...people were not able to see the relevance
13:40:51 <Vivienne> q+
13:41:13 <shadi> MH: some of the comments also questioned need for working group as opposed to interest group
13:41:25 <shadi> AN: what is the difference between WG and IG
13:42:04 <mhakkinen> Interest Groups The primary goal of an Interest Group is to bring together people who wish to evaluate potential Web technologies and policies. An Interest Group is a forum for the exchange of ideas.
13:42:25 <mhakkinen>  From: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/activities
13:42:44 <sloandr> q+
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13:45:17 <shadi> SAZ: IG is more loosely coupled
13:45:41 <shadi> ...WG has more of a core group that builds know-how
13:45:48 <shadi> ...think that aspect worked well
13:46:05 <shadi> ...but didn't do well on finalizing the work and getting results published
13:46:15 <shadi> ack viv
13:46:30 <shadi> VC: been discussing forward nature required
13:46:45 <shadi> ...constantly new developments that need to be addressed
13:47:04 <shadi> ...rather than work on existing specifications
13:47:19 <shadi> ...address challenges before they become barriers
13:48:17 <shadi> SAZ: IG also don't produce WG notes
13:48:26 <shadi> ...at most IG notes
13:49:18 <shadi> DS: been thinking about RDWG for my TPG involvement
13:49:40 <shadi> ...feel mismatch in pace between research and industry development
13:50:09 <shadi> ...the need to gather data in advance of development
13:50:17 <shadi> ...how can we address these gaps?
13:50:37 <shadi> ...RDWG tended to attract academic participants with more longer-term visions
13:51:05 <shadi> ...also how to involve non-technical people
13:51:16 <shadi> ...RDWG has a potential role there
13:51:43 <shadi> ...driven by demand should have an impact
13:52:24 <shadi> ...symposia tended to focus on what people were interested in, rather than what is needed
13:52:34 <shadi> VC: good input
13:52:46 <shadi> MH: aligns with some of our thoughts for the new charter
13:53:20 <shadi> DS: happy to share my thoughts with you
13:53:34 <shadi> ...have an email that I can adapt
13:53:40 <shadi> ...if that would help
13:53:48 <shadi> VC: absolutely
13:54:13 <shadi> ...need to prepare a new draft charter for AC approval
13:54:34 <shadi> ...to address the comments received
13:55:50 <mhakkinen> +q
13:57:05 <shadi> ack sloan
13:57:25 <shadi> SAZ: need to involve the broad spectrum of "research"
13:57:37 <shadi> ...and turn into a needs-driven model
13:58:23 <shadi> DS: will also share some thoughts on document development
13:58:35 <shadi> ...would like to propose some ideas
13:58:57 <shadi> MH: been thinking about a lighter-weight model of symposia
13:58:58 <Judy> zakim, code?
13:58:58 <Zakim> sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is
13:59:03 <sloandr> q-
13:59:21 <shadi> ...also the ensuing reports
14:01:53 <shadi> JW: have been fortunate to be involved in some discussion at CSUN about future WAI developments
14:02:15 <shadi> ...long-term perspective in the context of the three guidelines
14:02:40 <shadi> present: Klaus, Annika, Vivienne, Mark, David, Jason, Shadi, Simon, Judy
14:03:06 <shadi> ...need to be aware of future technologies before they become available
14:03:40 <klaus> sorry, I have to leave due to an other meeting in 5 min - good luck!
14:03:47 <shadi> VC: relates to the thoughts of being more forward-thinking
14:05:26 <shadi> JB: previous attempt as an IG did not work
14:06:33 <mhakkinen> +q
14:06:59 <shadi> ...will be talking with commenters next week
14:07:00 <shadi> ...will be talking with the AC following week
14:07:18 <shadi> ...need to know which items have been agreed to
14:07:41 <shadi> ...maybe have the suggestions in a survey for next week
14:07:57 <shadi> ...and a draft, to get agreement on it by the group
14:08:16 <shadi> MH: can put out a draft charter in the next day
14:08:35 <shadi> ...is the charter in member space?
14:08:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4
14:10:39 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:10:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "RDWG Charter: discussion on WAI Charter and RDWG direction" taken up [from Vivienne]
14:11:16 <shadi> JB: summary of the elements that the people agreed on?
14:11:42 <shadi> MH: several ideas suggested
14:13:03 <shadi> ...what is the duration?
14:13:17 <shadi> JB: initial request for 3 years
14:13:25 <shadi> ...but may be push back
14:13:42 <shadi> ...maybe one year as a start
14:13:49 <shadi> ...to try things out
14:14:00 <Vivienne> q+
14:14:05 <shadi> ack m
14:14:07 <shadi> q+
14:14:35 <shadi> MH: will need to make sure we are successful for one-year model
14:15:16 <shadi> ...tips for accessibility-aware research should be manageable
14:15:29 <sloandr> +1 to rapid production of the Tips for accessibility aware research report, Mark!
14:15:33 <shadi> VC: expect to be spending much of the year publishing reports
14:15:45 <shadi> ...two years would allow us to do new work too
14:15:56 <Judy> q+
14:16:01 <shadi> ack viv
14:16:16 <shadi> ...to demonstrate future-looking aspect
14:16:24 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:16:24 <Zakim>  has not yet started, Judy
14:16:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see sloandr, mhakkinen, annika, RRSAgent, Vivienne, Zakim, Judy, shadi, trackbot
14:17:01 <shadi> SAZ: agree that one year would not give us time to demonstrate success
14:17:06 <shadi> ack judy
14:17:33 <shadi> JB: how long would it take to develop a new mode of work
14:17:52 <shadi> ...and to publish reports
14:18:17 <shadi> ...a year for publishing reports for a year would be too long
14:19:07 <sloandr> +1 to more lightweight symposium research notes, especially given the symposium submissions are already online, and the transcripts from the symposium
14:19:16 <shadi> ...have been discussing light-weight model for reports
14:19:36 <shadi> ...also hearing about interest in new participation
14:21:22 <shadi> SAZ: have about 8-9 reports to publish
14:21:24 <Judy> q+
14:21:32 <shadi> q- last
14:21:48 <shadi> ...some have not even seen drafts yet
14:22:13 <shadi> ...even if light-weight, will be very difficult to do in 1 year
14:22:31 <shadi> ...plus accessibility-aware research and other work
14:22:59 <shadi> JB: will be very difficult to get approval as a group to publish previous work
14:23:34 <shadi> ...maybe 18-month with light-weight model
14:25:11 <shadi> ...objections to publication of backlog report on a more light-weight basis
14:25:17 <shadi> DS: not from me
14:25:21 <shadi> VC: support it
14:25:31 <shadi> [no disagreement]
14:25:49 <shadi> JB: who would support 18-month extension
14:25:53 <sloandr> +1 to 18 months
14:25:55 <annika> +1 to 18 months extension
14:26:01 <shadi> MH: more realistic
14:26:13 <shadi> +1 to 18 months (at least)
14:26:25 <Judy> +1 to an 18 month extension
14:26:26 <Vivienne> +1 for 18 month cycle
14:26:32 <mhakkinen> +1
14:26:47 <shadi> JW: not in group but think a good idea
14:27:17 <shadi> JB: agreement on accessibility-aware research?
14:28:13 <annika> +1
14:28:16 <shadi> +101
14:28:22 <Judy> +1 to including the accessibility-aware research tips
14:28:22 <sloandr> +1 to tips for accessibility aware research
14:28:29 <Vivienne> +1 to have the tips for accessible aware research as part of the deliverable
14:28:30 <mhakkinen> On the question of Accessibility AWare REsearch tips, should it be a deliverable in the charter?
14:28:37 <mhakkinen> +1
14:28:38 <shadi> JW: also as non-participant agree on the need for that
14:30:34 <shadi> MH: agreement on work focus, to identify knowledge gaps
14:31:43 <Judy> s/JB: agreement on accessibility-aware research?/MH: Please indicate in IRC your support or opposition to including a deliverable on tips for accessibility-aware research/
14:32:17 <mhakkinen> On the question of adding increased emphasis on identifying knowledge gaps impacting W3C technologies and filling those gaps by id'ing research, or research questions, opportunities.
14:32:28 <sloandr> +1 to strategic identification and filling of knowledge gaps
14:33:11 <Vivienne> +1 plus I would like us to identify how the RDWG work can be communicated to other W3C groups
14:33:18 <Judy> +1 also noting that this differentiates RDWG work from APA WG (PFWG) spec reviews; it is the complement to that work
14:33:20 <shadi> +1 (though hesitant about potential tall order of committing to "filling the gaps")
14:33:50 <mhakkinen> +q
14:33:54 <shadi> ack me
14:33:58 <shadi> ack jud
14:34:48 <sloandr> In response to Shadi, I think identifying and documenting as many gaps as possible is one important job, and prioritising filling in of selected gaps is another job
14:35:40 <Judy> +1 to David's comment about prioritizing, that is a useful element to refine that part of Mark's comment
14:36:02 <shadi> Topic: New Meeting Time
14:36:48 <Judy> Judy has left #rd
14:38:13 <shadi> Thursday same time?
14:38:24 <shadi> DS: conflict for me
14:38:36 <shadi> MH: me too on the long-run
14:39:01 <shadi> DS: prefer to start on-the-hour
14:39:25 <mhakkinen> DS: start on the hour rather than half hour
14:46:47 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:46:47 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:46:49 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:46:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:46:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:46:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:46:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items