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14:56:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
14:56:23 <trackbot_> Zakim, this will be HCLS
14:56:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
14:56:24 <trackbot_> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
14:56:24 <trackbot_> Date: 14 April 2015
14:56:24 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2015
14:56:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot_; I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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15:01:44 <Lloyd> zakim, ipcaller is lloyd
15:01:44 <Zakim> +lloyd; got it
15:02:03 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, lloyd
15:02:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tony, Lloyd, Marc_Twagirumukiza, RRSAgent, dbooth, trackbot_, egonw, cloudcell_, Zakim, trackbot, ericP
15:02:24 <Zakim> +Tony
15:03:08 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> having problems with phone
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15:05:37 <dbooth> Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meetings
15:05:44 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150407
15:06:22 <dbooth> RESOLVED: Minutes of April 7 approved!
15:06:42 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF and Validation/Translation Task force
15:06:52 <dbooth> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-hcls-minutes.html
15:08:27 <Lloyd> Tomorrow's agenda: approach to ordering
15:08:42 <dbooth> Topic: Upcoming HL7 Meeting - Paris May 10-15
15:09:05 <dbooth> http://www.hl7.org/events/wgm052015/
15:09:49 <Lloyd> Topic: Grahame's initial RDF page
15:10:19 <dbooth> http://hl7-fhir.github.io/rdf.html
15:11:13 <dbooth> lloyd: Grahame has been working to produce RDF page and specification.  This group needs to review.
15:11:43 <dbooth> tony: Grahame say my slides and asked me to compare with the above page.
15:12:13 <dbooth> ... What's the process for editing this page?  What's the process for this subgroup?
15:12:43 <dbooth> lloyd: The page is in svn.  It can be edited, or feedback can be sent to the ITS list and someone else can edit it.
15:13:31 <dbooth> tony: How to get that page finalized and agree on?
15:13:48 <dbooth> lloyd: Want to focus on open issues.  One is ordering.
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15:15:55 <dbooth> lloyd: several of us have committer privileges already, and we can add others.  Or this group can make requests and others can make them.
15:16:38 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Maybe we have to add only those contributing or wishing contributing
15:16:42 <dbooth> lloyd: if you want to be a committer, let me know.
15:16:49 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> +1
15:18:09 <dbooth> lloyd: Send me desired changes.
15:18:18 <dbooth> David: I'd like to be a committer.
15:18:19 <Lloyd> Marc, if you're asking for commit privileges, send me an email
15:18:31 <dbooth> lloyd: Send me email.
15:18:55 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Great! I will contact you if I have something relevant there
15:19:41 <dbooth> David: Should we switch to using the HL7 github change process for our issues?
15:19:58 <dbooth> lloyd: We usually wait until later for that.
15:20:08 <Zakim> +Claude
15:21:24 <Zakim> +ericP
15:21:27 <dbooth> tony: What is the review and approval process?
15:21:59 <dbooth> paul: It would be approved by this group, then back to ITS for formal review.  But we're comfortable that we're working sufficiently closely to push materials out.
15:22:10 <dbooth> ... We're in draft until we hit the edge of the ballot.
15:22:30 <dbooth> lloyd: This page will need to be draft for DSTU 2, because it's introduced after the ballot is open.
15:23:02 <dbooth> ... We'll need to decide on publication inclusion in July as draft, and should make it as robust as possible.
15:23:23 <dbooth> tony: That would be a good target for us.
15:23:47 <dbooth> lloyd: Should aim to have things relatively complete by end of Paris meeting.
15:24:41 <dbooth> claude: will Grahame take care of the ont generation tooling?
15:25:06 <dbooth> lloyd: yes
15:25:42 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR examples for driving ontology developments
15:25:49 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=FHIR_Examples_For_Driving_FHIR_Ontology_Development
15:27:56 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> The general comment is to make sure that we use the real FHIR resources/profiles (valid for FHIR)
15:28:14 <dbooth> tony: I'm working on #6, story 2: Clinical / AllergyIntolerance: to Medication
15:29:13 <dbooth> Topic: Patient safety model and instance (Tony Mallia)
15:29:27 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Patient_Safety_Ontology_and_Instances.pdf
15:29:39 <dbooth> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
15:29:39 <dbooth> Access Code: 157-514-853
15:31:09 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:31:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, lloyd, Tony, PKnapp, Marc, Darrell, harry, rhausam, Claude, ericP
15:31:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see pknapp, rhausam, harry, Tony, Lloyd, Marc_Twagirumukiza, RRSAgent, dbooth, trackbot_, egonw, cloudcell_, Zakim, trackbot, ericP
15:32:31 <dbooth> (tony goes through his slides: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Patient_Safety_Ontology_and_Instances.pdf )
15:43:36 <dbooth> tony: Top Quadrant did some XSD to OWL translations
15:44:32 <dbooth> slide 5
15:44:58 <dbooth> eric: Why owl:maxQualifiedCardinality instead of owl:maxCardinality?
15:45:07 <dbooth> tony: not sure.  maybe it's wrong.  :)
15:46:04 <dbooth> ... I'm generating it from protege
15:46:42 <dbooth> eric: That's a peculiarity of the Manchester syntax.  You just need two _  to avoid it.
15:47:23 <dbooth> tony: I'm using fully qualified FHIR names.
15:47:58 <dbooth> slide 7
15:49:01 <Lloyd> Lloyd signing off
15:49:27 <Zakim> -lloyd
15:51:46 <dbooth> david: why entered-in-error is a class?
15:52:05 <dbooth> tony: debate about this.  will discuss.
15:52:46 <dbooth> slide 8
15:52:51 <Zakim> -harry
15:54:41 <dbooth> tony: starting with fhir:value "confirmed", the confirmed class is inferred.
15:54:56 <dbooth> slide 9
15:55:21 <dbooth> tony: same idea in coding instance.
15:57:51 <dbooth> tony: I think grahame's approach uses puns.
15:58:07 <dbooth> eric: He was intending to rename them to be distinct -- either instance or class.
15:58:44 <Zakim> -Marc
15:58:47 <dbooth> david: Would be great to show these approaches side by side.
15:59:29 <dbooth> ACTION: Tony to show the same example in both his style and Grahame's side-by-side
15:59:29 <trackbot> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
15:59:29 <trackbot_> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
15:59:55 <Zakim> -PKnapp
16:01:25 <dbooth> slkide 11
16:01:33 <dbooth> tony: This is valueset binding in a profile
16:01:35 <dbooth> slide 12
16:02:03 <Zakim> -Claude
16:02:57 <Zakim> -Darrell
16:05:28 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, Tony, rhausam, ericP
16:05:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see rhausam, Tony, RRSAgent, dbooth, trackbot_, egonw, cloudcell_, Zakim, trackbot, ericP
16:05:31 <Zakim> -rhausam
16:09:56 <dbooth> eric: Differences from Grahame's approach?
16:11:19 <dbooth> tony: 1. datatypes 2. binding to local and remote terminologies. 3. How to handle references and resolve them.
16:12:08 <ericP> http://90.4.193.244/2015/ShExpressivity
16:21:58 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2013/12/FDA-TA/
16:22:07 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
16:22:13 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
16:22:22 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:22:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:24:25 <dbooth> Present: Claude_Nanjo Darrell Marc_Twagirumukiza Tony_Mallia David_Booth egonw EricP harry Lloyd_McKenzie Paul_Knapp Rob_Hausam
16:26:14 <dbooth> s/ _ / restrictions /
16:26:21 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:26:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:29:14 <ericP> EricGPrud
16:32:24 <dbooth> i/Meeting:/Scribe: lloyd
16:32:28 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:32:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:33:27 <dbooth> i/Meeting:/Scribe: dbooth
16:33:32 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
17:03:09 <Zakim> -Tony
17:03:09 <Zakim> -DBooth
17:03:14 <Zakim> -ericP
17:03:15 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
17:03:15 <Zakim> Attendees were DBooth, lloyd, Tony, PKnapp, +1.850.610.aaaa, Darrell, Marc, harry, rhausam, Claude, ericP