IRC log of html-a11y on 2015-04-09

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:04 [trackbot]
Date: 09 April 2015
14:59:27 [Zakim]
WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
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+[Microsoft]
14:59:44 [paulc]
zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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+paulc; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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+[IPcaller.a]
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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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Zakim, IPcaller is me
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+IanPouncey; got it
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+Adrian_Roselli
15:01:37 [aardrian]
zakim, who is here?
15:01:37 [Zakim]
On the phone I see paulc, IanPouncey, [IPcaller.a], Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Adrian_Roselli
15:01:39 [Zakim]
On IRC I see aardrian, richardschwerdtfeger, LJWatson, RRSAgent, paulc, newtron, ShaneM, IanPouncey, liam, janina, JF, Zakim, sivoais, joanie, cabanier, trackbot
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+Joanmarie_Diggs
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zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:11 [Zakim]
On the phone I see paulc, IanPouncey, [IPcaller.a], Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs
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zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
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+LJWatson; got it
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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11. Other Business [from LJWatson]
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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zakim, this is 2119
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LJWatson, this was already WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
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ok, LJWatson; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
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+JF
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-JF
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+Liam
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agenda+ Any more items?
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zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been paulc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, JF, Liam
15:04:55 [LJWatson]
agenda+ action items?
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+Judy
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+JF
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agenda+ CfCs and calls for response
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+??P0
15:05:24 [janina]
zakim, ??P0 is me
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+janina; got it
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agenda+ face to face meetings…
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agenda+ Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?
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scribenick: LJWatson
15:07:08 [janina]
agenda?
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Any more items?" taken up [from LJWatson]
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JS: Items?
15:07:50 [paulc]
agenda + ) Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Any more items?, closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. action items? [from LJWatson]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "action items?" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:08:16 [paulc]
agenda+ HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
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agenda+ Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics
15:09:13 [LJWatson]
action-308?
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action-308 -- John Foliot to Talk to josh about "discuss hybrid extended/inline case." - expand please -- due 2015-03-02 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/308
15:09:24 [Zakim]
+Cynthia_Shelly
15:09:34 [LJWatson]
JF: Haven't been able to get in touch with Joshue.
15:10:20 [LJWatson]
action-312?
15:10:20 [trackbot]
action-312 -- Léonie Watson to Review bug 27054 and check it's ok -- due 2015-04-02 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/312
15:10:33 [LJWatson]
LW: It's done, can be closed.
15:10:45 [janina]
rrsagent, close action-312
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'close action-312', janina. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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trackbot, close action-312
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Closed action-312.
15:11:26 [LJWatson]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "CfCs and calls for response" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:12:13 [LJWatson]
JS: Doodle poll open for a TF meet in Europe in June/Jul.
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JS: We need to review work statement that Chaals posted yesterday, but no CFC.
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PC: I ussued the CFC for work statement and CFC procedure to the HTML WG. Don't think you have to wait for anything.
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JS: Good.
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PC: Thought the TF was going to put out a CFC on the alt texts doc?
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JS: Yes, apologies, I dropped the ball on that one.
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "face to face meetings…" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:14:57 [LJWatson]
JS: There will be a meeting in Seattle. Now is the time to co-ordinate/do last minute planning.
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PC: Would like to know when the TF would like to join the Media TF to talk about transcript.
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PC: Media TF meeting may be finished by Thursday.
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+Cynthia_Shelly
15:16:00 [LJWatson]
JF: Suggest Thurday morning - to give us time to prepare on the Wed, so we don't waste the Media TF's time.
15:16:02 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see paulc, IanPouncey, LJWatson, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, Liam, Judy, JF, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
15:16:04 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Judy, JF_, aardrian, richardschwerdtfeger, LJWatson, RRSAgent, paulc, newtron, ShaneM, IanPouncey, liam, janina, JF, Zakim, sivoais, joanie, cabanier, trackbot
15:16:17 [LJWatson]
PC: To be safe, I suggest 4pm Wednesday?
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JF: Sounds reasonable to me.
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+1
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PC: I've included all the TF members in my food estimates for Wed and Thu. Guess we should co-ordinate timing for breaks/meals?
15:17:45 [LJWatson]
CS: Thank you. We're also meeting Friday, but I can figure that.
15:18:07 [LJWatson]
CS: An agenda would be useful, although informal is good.
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JS: Useful for remote participation.
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CS: Will send out an email.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?" taken up [from LJWatson]
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zakim, close item 5
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agendum 5, Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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6. ) Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress [from paulc]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. ") Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress" taken up [from paulc]
15:19:29 [LJWatson]
JS: I had an action to advise the Canvas list about progress, but haven't and it's two weeks old.
15:19:47 [LJWatson]
RS: Dominic says he has it working, but sent him test results from our tests and haven't had a reply.
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s/from our tests/from our failed tests/
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JS: I will get the action done in the next day or so.
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RS: That included hit testing. Firefox was also close, so need to check there too.
15:20:54 [LJWatson]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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PC: Are we confident enough to know whateditorial resources are needed to fix the Level 1 stuff?
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RS: There is one tweak we need to make to the draft.
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PC: Let's not conflate Last Call publication with getting it perfect.
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RS: Ok.
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PC: If we're close to implementation, wouldn't it make sense to start the LC process?
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PC: I'll take an action to talk to the Canvas editors.
15:23:59 [LJWatson]
ACTION: Paul Cotton to talk to Canvas editorial/editors about starting the LC process.
15:23:59 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-313 - Cotton to talk to canvas editorial/editors about starting the lc process. [on Paul Cotton - due 2015-04-16].
15:24:56 [LJWatson]
zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives" taken up [from paulc]
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JS: We have a stub. I need to put out the CFC. Apologies, I will get this done.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7 was just opened, LJWatson
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zakim, close item 7
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agendum 7, HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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8. Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics [from paulc]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 8. "Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics" taken up [from paulc]
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zakim, close item 8
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agendum 8, Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics, closed
15:25:59 [Zakim]
I see nothing remaining on the agenda
15:26:17 [paulc]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-04-Agenda#Agenda_April_15
15:26:21 [LJWatson]
zakim, next item
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I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, LJWatson
15:26:35 [paulc]
We will do the transcript item at 4pm on Wed Apr 15 at the Media TF F2F
15:26:39 [LJWatson]
zakim, open item 5
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agendum 5. "Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?" taken up [from LJWatson]
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Q+
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JS: There is work to look at Web VTT.
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JS: Don't think we want to work on this on this call.
15:28:12 [LJWatson]
JF: We need to take a look at it with the Media sub-team, and that still seems like a good approach.
15:28:46 [LJWatson]
JF: Have n action in PF to look at draft screen capture. It's a little scary - it seems to be capturing pixels but not DOM information.
15:29:05 [LJWatson]
JS: How long on that CFR?
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PC: The FPWD was published in November.
15:29:41 [LJWatson]
JS: They're in LC now, no?
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:29:56 [paulc]
http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/
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PC: This link indicates FPWD.
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notes that the FPWD under discussion is related to WebVTT
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W3C First Public Working Draft 13 November 2014
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s/Web VTT FPWD was /FPWD was /
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Draft Community Group Specification 16 February 2014 http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/e0a5a82bd5be3501e7649a949fcce4c7b83a427c.html
15:32:13 [LJWatson]
PC: This is being worked on in the CG and WG at same time, and it seems there is a more recent doc from the CG.
15:32:34 [LJWatson]
PC: Sorry, red herring - the doc is 2014 not 2015.
15:32:58 [LJWatson]
PC: Still, a review would be appreciated and the person to communicate with is David Singer.
15:33:16 [Zakim]
-Cynthia_Shelly
15:33:26 [LJWatson]
JF: Sounds like the Media sub-team should meet - with Web VTT and Transcript on the radar.
15:33:29 [LJWatson]
JS: Yes.
15:33:30 [paulc]
See also Sylvia's work at WebVTT support in browsers
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http://www.webvtt.org/
15:33:56 [LJWatson]
PC: You might also look at Silvia's Web VTT support in browsers work.
15:34:27 [paulc]
See https://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/2015/02/22/implementation-status/
15:34:53 [LJWatson]
JF: Will try to find a little time in next week's F2F agenda.
15:35:27 [LJWatson]
https://specs.webplatform.org/common-panel/bkardell/gh-pages/
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scribenick: liam
15:36:19 [liam]
topic: what panels?
15:36:48 [liam]
LJWatson: from an interaction point of view a lot of similarities between different metaphors
15:36:55 [liam]
accordians, notebook tabs ,carousels
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so this draft looks at coming up with some native elements & attributes.
15:37:14 [liam]
Right now we're coming up with use cases & requirements
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We could use TF help with fleshing those out,, with wider review in a11y and html
15:38:05 [liam]
JF: in the note i sent out yesterday I'd indicated this was something for the F2F next week
15:38:18 [liam]
panels and panel sets, kbd interaction/access-keys, and transcripts.
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[and possible additional item from Cynthia]
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someone: why is this not a dialogue?
15:39:38 [liam]
LJWatson: a dialogue appears over the top of existing content where this would be part of a page, not a pop-up
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[example use case of message at driving licence centre regarding renewal]
15:40:45 [liam]
LJWatson: on access keys there's a Wiki page for requirements
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JF: wondering about whether the access element is a non-starter, can we talk about it at the F2F?
15:41:46 [liam]
s/JF/Rich/
15:42:20 [joanie]
s/someone:/joanie:/
15:43:32 [Zakim]
+Cynthia_Shelly
15:43:52 [paulc]
F2F info: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-04-Agenda
15:45:11 [liam]
scribenick: LJWatson
15:47:00 [LJWatson]
CS: We'll have demos from the Windows team during the F2F.
15:47:20 [LJWatson]
CS: Will send out suggested agenda, but need people to add other items.
15:47:26 [JF_]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
15:47:39 [LJWatson]
JF: There's the HTML5.1 wishlist.
15:47:58 [LJWatson]
JF: Was looking at media descriptions, believe it may be solved by aria-describedat.
15:48:17 [LJWatson]
JF: Suggest there are things for an agenda next week. For example Flipnote.
15:48:30 [LJWatson]
JS: Hold up, we're waiting for feedbac on that so we just need to wait.
15:48:48 [LJWatson]
JF: Real Time Chat, Web payments...
15:49:08 [LJWatson]
JF: Emotion ML... There are names associated, but no actual action. Perhaps we should poke?
15:49:27 [LJWatson]
JS: Ideas for moving them forward would be good.
15:49:38 [LJWatson]
JF: Suggest agenda time next week to look at the wishlist.
15:49:57 [LJWatson]
CS: Good idea.
15:49:59 [LJWatson]
+1
15:50:39 [LJWatson]
JS: Given the F2F, propose this meeting not happen next week but that people remotely participate in the F2F if they can.
15:51:06 [LJWatson]
PC: Has anyone arranged for tele-conference facilities?
15:51:40 [LJWatson]
PC: I'll send you the request information. Should be someone on the team that does it.
15:52:58 [LJWatson]
JS: Liam and I can make the zakim request.
15:53:08 [LJWatson]
LQ: Yes, but I'll have to do it today.
15:53:25 [LJWatson]
JS: What's the agenda time - 9am to 5pm? 6pm?
15:53:47 [liam]
I'll request zakim for wed thur fri 9-6 PST, any preferred code?
15:53:50 [LJWatson]
CS: 9am to 6pm.
15:53:54 [liam]
8:30-6 OK
15:54:07 [LJWatson]
LQ: Preferred code?
15:54:23 [LJWatson]
JS: Participant numbers?
15:54:30 [LJWatson]
JS: Guess 8 will be sufficient.
15:54:33 [LJWatson]
CS: Yes.
15:54:47 [LJWatson]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:54:50 [liam]
s/PST/PDT/
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chair: Janina Sajka
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-LJWatson
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-Joanmarie_Diggs
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-janina
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-Judy
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-IanPouncey
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-Adrian_Roselli
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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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zakim, list participant
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I don't understand 'list participant', LJWatson
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-Liam
15:55:42 [LJWatson]
zakim, list participants
15:55:42 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been paulc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, JF, Liam, Judy, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
15:55:50 [Zakim]
-paulc
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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disconnecting the lone participant, JF, in WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
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Attendees were paulc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, JF, Liam, Judy, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
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