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14:59:03 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:03 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
14:59:04 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:04 Date: 09 April 2015
14:59:27 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:59:34 +[Microsoft]
14:59:44 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:59:44 +paulc; got it
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15:01:08 +[IPcaller]
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15:01:15 +[IPcaller.a]
15:01:17 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:01:17 Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:01:18 +IanPouncey; got it
15:01:18 +Adrian_Roselli
15:01:37 zakim, who is here?
15:01:37 On the phone I see paulc, IanPouncey, [IPcaller.a], Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Adrian_Roselli
15:01:39 On IRC I see aardrian, richardschwerdtfeger, LJWatson, RRSAgent, paulc, newtron, ShaneM, IanPouncey, liam, janina, JF, Zakim, sivoais, joanie, cabanier, trackbot
15:01:39 +Joanmarie_Diggs
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15:02:02 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:02:02 sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
15:02:11 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:11 On the phone I see paulc, IanPouncey, [IPcaller.a], Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs
15:02:34 zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
15:02:34 +LJWatson; got it
15:02:40 zakim, agenda?
15:02:40 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:02:42 11. Other Business [from LJWatson]
15:03:09 zakim, clear agenda
15:03:09 agenda cleared
15:03:30 rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:03:37 zakim, this is 2119
15:03:37 LJWatson, this was already WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:03:38 ok, LJWatson; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
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15:04:13 +JF
15:04:14 -JF
15:04:23 +Liam
15:04:46 agenda+ Any more items?
15:04:54 zakim, list attendees
15:04:54 As of this point the attendees have been paulc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, JF, Liam
15:04:55 agenda+ action items?
15:04:56 +Judy
15:04:58 +JF
15:05:06 agenda+ CfCs and calls for response
15:05:18 +??P0
15:05:24 zakim, ??P0 is me
15:05:24 +janina; got it
15:05:34 agenda+ face to face meetings…
15:05:43 agenda+ Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?
15:07:03 scribenick: LJWatson
15:07:08 agenda?
15:07:34 zakim, take up item 1
15:07:34 agendum 1. "Any more items?" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:07:49 JS: Items?
15:07:50 agenda + ) Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress
15:08:03 zakim, close item 1
15:08:03 agendum 1, Any more items?, closed
15:08:04 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:04 2. action items? [from LJWatson]
15:08:08 zakim, next item
15:08:08 agendum 2. "action items?" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:08:16 agenda+ HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
15:08:33 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:08:34 agenda+ Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics
15:09:13 action-308?
15:09:13 action-308 -- John Foliot to Talk to josh about "discuss hybrid extended/inline case." - expand please -- due 2015-03-02 -- OPEN
15:09:13 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/308
15:09:24 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:09:34 JF: Haven't been able to get in touch with Joshue.
15:10:20 action-312?
15:10:20 action-312 -- Léonie Watson to Review bug 27054 and check it's ok -- due 2015-04-02 -- OPEN
15:10:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/312
15:10:33 LW: It's done, can be closed.
15:10:45 rrsagent, close action-312
15:10:45 I'm logging. I don't understand 'close action-312', janina. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:11:08 trackbot, close action-312
15:11:08 Closed action-312.
15:11:26 zakim, next item
15:11:26 agendum 3. "CfCs and calls for response" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:12:13 JS: Doodle poll open for a TF meet in Europe in June/Jul.
15:12:30 JS: We need to review work statement that Chaals posted yesterday, but no CFC.
15:12:50 PC: I ussued the CFC for work statement and CFC procedure to the HTML WG. Don't think you have to wait for anything.
15:12:54 JS: Good.
15:13:33 PC: Thought the TF was going to put out a CFC on the alt texts doc?
15:13:44 JS: Yes, apologies, I dropped the ball on that one.
15:13:49 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:14:27 zakim, next item
15:14:27 agendum 4. "face to face meetings…" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:14:57 JS: There will be a meeting in Seattle. Now is the time to co-ordinate/do last minute planning.
15:15:12 PC: Would like to know when the TF would like to join the Media TF to talk about transcript.
15:15:41 PC: Media TF meeting may be finished by Thursday.
15:15:47 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:16:00 JF: Suggest Thurday morning - to give us time to prepare on the Wed, so we don't waste the Media TF's time.
15:16:02 zakim, who's here?
15:16:02 On the phone I see paulc, IanPouncey, LJWatson, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, Liam, Judy, JF, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
15:16:04 On IRC I see Judy, JF_, aardrian, richardschwerdtfeger, LJWatson, RRSAgent, paulc, newtron, ShaneM, IanPouncey, liam, janina, JF, Zakim, sivoais, joanie, cabanier, trackbot
15:16:17 PC: To be safe, I suggest 4pm Wednesday?
15:16:22 JF: Sounds reasonable to me.
15:16:24 +1
15:17:26 PC: I've included all the TF members in my food estimates for Wed and Thu. Guess we should co-ordinate timing for breaks/meals?
15:17:45 CS: Thank you. We're also meeting Friday, but I can figure that.
15:18:07 CS: An agenda would be useful, although informal is good.
15:18:17 JS: Useful for remote participation.
15:18:33 CS: Will send out an email.
15:18:48 zakim, next item
15:18:48 agendum 5. "Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:19:00 zakim, close item 5
15:19:00 agendum 5, Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?, closed
15:19:02 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:19:02 6. ) Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress [from paulc]
15:19:04 zakim, next item
15:19:04 agendum 6. ") Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress" taken up [from paulc]
15:19:29 JS: I had an action to advise the Canvas list about progress, but haven't and it's two weeks old.
15:19:47 RS: Dominic says he has it working, but sent him test results from our tests and haven't had a reply.
15:20:03 s/from our tests/from our failed tests/
15:20:17 JS: I will get the action done in the next day or so.
15:20:47 RS: That included hit testing. Firefox was also close, so need to check there too.
15:20:54 rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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15:22:02 PC: Are we confident enough to know whateditorial resources are needed to fix the Level 1 stuff?
15:22:10 RS: There is one tweak we need to make to the draft.
15:22:26 PC: Let's not conflate Last Call publication with getting it perfect.
15:22:28 RS: Ok.
15:22:46 PC: If we're close to implementation, wouldn't it make sense to start the LC process?
15:23:32 PC: I'll take an action to talk to the Canvas editors.
15:23:59 ACTION: Paul Cotton to talk to Canvas editorial/editors about starting the LC process.
15:23:59 Created ACTION-313 - Cotton to talk to canvas editorial/editors about starting the lc process. [on Paul Cotton - due 2015-04-16].
15:24:56 zakim, next item
15:24:56 agendum 7. "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives" taken up [from paulc]
15:25:27 JS: We have a stub. I need to put out the CFC. Apologies, I will get this done.
15:25:31 zakim, next item
15:25:31 agendum 7 was just opened, LJWatson
15:25:36 zakim, close item 7
15:25:36 agendum 7, HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives, closed
15:25:38 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:25:38 8. Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics [from paulc]
15:25:39 zakim, next item
15:25:39 agendum 8. "Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics" taken up [from paulc]
15:25:58 zakim, close item 8
15:25:58 agendum 8, Media Task Force F2F meeting potential A11Y topics, closed
15:25:59 I see nothing remaining on the agenda
15:26:17 https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-04-Agenda#Agenda_April_15
15:26:21 zakim, next item
15:26:21 I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, LJWatson
15:26:35 We will do the transcript item at 4pm on Wed Apr 15 at the Media TF F2F
15:26:39 zakim, open item 5
15:26:39 agendum 5. "Let's try to cover some technical work. Progress anywhere?" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:26:44 Q+
15:26:59 JS: There is work to look at Web VTT.
15:27:39 JS: Don't think we want to work on this on this call.
15:28:12 JF: We need to take a look at it with the Media sub-team, and that still seems like a good approach.
15:28:46 JF: Have n action in PF to look at draft screen capture. It's a little scary - it seems to be capturing pixels but not DOM information.
15:29:05 JS: How long on that CFR?
15:29:35 PC: The FPWD was published in November.
15:29:41 JS: They're in LC now, no?
15:29:50 rrsagent, make minutes
15:29:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:29:56 http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/
15:30:06 PC: This link indicates FPWD.
15:30:07 notes that the FPWD under discussion is related to WebVTT
15:30:16 W3C First Public Working Draft 13 November 2014
15:30:53 s/Web VTT FPWD was /FPWD was /
15:32:03 Draft Community Group Specification 16 February 2014 http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/e0a5a82bd5be3501e7649a949fcce4c7b83a427c.html
15:32:13 PC: This is being worked on in the CG and WG at same time, and it seems there is a more recent doc from the CG.
15:32:34 PC: Sorry, red herring - the doc is 2014 not 2015.
15:32:58 PC: Still, a review would be appreciated and the person to communicate with is David Singer.
15:33:16 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:33:26 JF: Sounds like the Media sub-team should meet - with Web VTT and Transcript on the radar.
15:33:29 JS: Yes.
15:33:30 See also Sylvia's work at WebVTT support in browsers
15:33:47 http://www.webvtt.org/
15:33:56 PC: You might also look at Silvia's Web VTT support in browsers work.
15:34:27 See https://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/2015/02/22/implementation-status/
15:34:53 JF: Will try to find a little time in next week's F2F agenda.
15:35:27 https://specs.webplatform.org/common-panel/bkardell/gh-pages/
15:36:15 scribenick: liam
15:36:19 topic: what panels?
15:36:48 LJWatson: from an interaction point of view a lot of similarities between different metaphors
15:36:55 accordians, notebook tabs ,carousels
15:37:07 so this draft looks at coming up with some native elements & attributes.
15:37:14 Right now we're coming up with use cases & requirements
15:37:40 We could use TF help with fleshing those out,, with wider review in a11y and html
15:38:05 JF: in the note i sent out yesterday I'd indicated this was something for the F2F next week
15:38:18 panels and panel sets, kbd interaction/access-keys, and transcripts.
15:38:39 [and possible additional item from Cynthia]
15:39:17 someone: why is this not a dialogue?
15:39:38 LJWatson: a dialogue appears over the top of existing content where this would be part of a page, not a pop-up
15:40:20 [example use case of message at driving licence centre regarding renewal]
15:40:45 LJWatson: on access keys there's a Wiki page for requirements
15:41:15 JF: wondering about whether the access element is a non-starter, can we talk about it at the F2F?
15:41:46 s/JF/Rich/
15:42:20 s/someone:/joanie:/
15:43:32 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:43:52 F2F info: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-04-Agenda
15:45:11 scribenick: LJWatson
15:47:00 CS: We'll have demos from the Windows team during the F2F.
15:47:20 CS: Will send out suggested agenda, but need people to add other items.
15:47:26 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
15:47:39 JF: There's the HTML5.1 wishlist.
15:47:58 JF: Was looking at media descriptions, believe it may be solved by aria-describedat.
15:48:17 JF: Suggest there are things for an agenda next week. For example Flipnote.
15:48:30 JS: Hold up, we're waiting for feedbac on that so we just need to wait.
15:48:48 JF: Real Time Chat, Web payments...
15:49:08 JF: Emotion ML... There are names associated, but no actual action. Perhaps we should poke?
15:49:27 JS: Ideas for moving them forward would be good.
15:49:38 JF: Suggest agenda time next week to look at the wishlist.
15:49:57 CS: Good idea.
15:49:59 +1
15:50:39 JS: Given the F2F, propose this meeting not happen next week but that people remotely participate in the F2F if they can.
15:51:06 PC: Has anyone arranged for tele-conference facilities?
15:51:40 PC: I'll send you the request information. Should be someone on the team that does it.
15:52:58 JS: Liam and I can make the zakim request.
15:53:08 LQ: Yes, but I'll have to do it today.
15:53:25 JS: What's the agenda time - 9am to 5pm? 6pm?
15:53:47 I'll request zakim for wed thur fri 9-6 PST, any preferred code?
15:53:50 CS: 9am to 6pm.
15:53:54 8:30-6 OK
15:54:07 LQ: Preferred code?
15:54:23 JS: Participant numbers?
15:54:30 JS: Guess 8 will be sufficient.
15:54:33 CS: Yes.
15:54:47 rrsagent, make minutes
15:54:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:54:50 s/PST/PDT/
15:55:14 chair: Janina Sajka
15:55:21 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:55:27 -LJWatson
15:55:29 -Joanmarie_Diggs
15:55:31 -janina
15:55:31 -Judy
15:55:32 -IanPouncey
15:55:32 -Adrian_Roselli
15:55:33 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:55:36 zakim, list participant
15:55:36 I don't understand 'list participant', LJWatson
15:55:37 -Liam
15:55:42 zakim, list participants
15:55:42 As of this point the attendees have been paulc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, JF, Liam, Judy, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
15:55:50 -paulc
15:55:55 rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:05:01 disconnecting the lone participant, JF, in WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
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16:05:02 Attendees were paulc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, Adrian_Roselli, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, JF, Liam, Judy, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
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