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12:27:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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12:27:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:27:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
12:27:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:27:19 <trackbot> Date: 08 April 2015
12:30:41 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:30:41 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:30:42 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:43 <Zakim> +Shadi
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12:32:02 <carlos> 2 mins
12:32:17 <shadi> ok
12:32:30 <shadi> samuel not here yet too
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12:35:54 <Zakim> +??P12
12:37:41 <Zakim> +??P13
12:37:58 <samuelm> Zakim, ??P13 is me
12:37:58 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
12:39:17 <shadi> scribe: shadi
12:40:00 <shadi> SAZ: continued discussion on the Charter
12:43:05 <shadi> CV: not receiving all the mails
12:43:21 <shadi> SAZ: discussion currently mostly among commenters
12:43:50 <shadi> ...but will be brought back the AC list
12:43:58 <shadi> ...this is where the decision takes place
12:46:05 <samuelm> shadi, we cannot hear you
12:46:39 <shadi> zakim, drop me
12:46:39 <Zakim> Shadi is being disconnected
12:46:40 <Zakim> -Shadi
12:49:39 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:49:39 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:49:40 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:53:02 <shadi> SAZ: in the last years this group has been under-resourced
12:53:27 <shadi> ...also little participation
12:54:07 <shadi> ...so progress has been rather slow
12:54:18 <shadi> ...but there has been work done
12:54:28 <shadi> ...which is not very visible to the members
12:54:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/
12:55:32 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/#deliv
12:56:01 <shadi> ...need to make our work more visible
12:56:13 <shadi> ...also need to clarify the value preposition
12:56:54 <shadi> SM: semantic web field much more mature today than previously
12:57:15 <shadi> ...goal of EARL is interoperability between different evaluation tools
12:57:31 <shadi> ...test samples is kind of a different direction
12:57:44 <shadi> ...more about individual tool development
12:58:05 <shadi> ...good addition to the charter if people want to work on it
12:58:29 <shadi> ...huge effort needed but could work if enough participate
12:59:17 <shadi> ...not matter of attractive charter
12:59:40 <shadi> ...but reaching out to tool vendors but also users of evaluation tools
12:59:44 <shadi> ...like agencies and consultancies
13:00:01 <shadi> ...should get their input and perspectives
13:00:23 <shadi> ...think EARL makes more sense now than some years ago
13:00:53 <shadi> ...also other work at W3C could be related now
13:01:04 <shadi> ...for example the annotations working group
13:01:23 <shadi> ...so maybe more communication aspect than the actual deliverables
13:06:24 <shadi> SAZ: discussion about testing relates to test suites for benchmarking tools
13:06:43 <carlos> https://github.com/webcc/bentoweb-tcdl
13:06:55 <shadi> ...but also test rules for conformance testing of web content
13:07:23 <carlos> https://github.com/webcc/bentoweb-wcag20-test-suite-v3
13:07:51 <shadi> currently operational charter -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4
13:08:20 <shadi> charter under AC review -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter5
13:13:36 <Zakim> -??P12
13:13:39 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:13:40 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:13:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, samuelm
13:18:40 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:18:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:18:40 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:18:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:18:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:18:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:18:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items