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14:58:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
14:58:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM already started
14:58:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
14:58:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2015
14:58:43 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
14:58:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.271.aaaa
14:58:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, dbooth, egonw__, TallTed, Zakim, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
14:58:57 <dbooth> zakiim, aaaa is dbooth
15:00:09 <dbooth> zakim, aaaa is dbooth
15:00:09 <Zakim> +dbooth; got it
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15:01:45 <Zakim> +Ingeborg
15:01:52 <Zakim> + +1.510.418.aabb
15:02:10 <dbooth> zakim, aabb is PeterHendler
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15:02:11 <Zakim> +PeterHendler; got it
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15:02:59 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Zakim,??P28  is Marc_Twagirumukiza
15:02:59 <Zakim> +Marc_Twagirumukiza; got it
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15:04:45 <Claude> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/157514853
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15:06:55 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:06:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, Ingeborg, PeterHendler, Tony, [IPcaller], Marc_Twagirumukiza, ericP, PKnapp, rhausam
15:06:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see dbooth, rhausam, AndroUser2, pknapp, Claude, Ingeborg, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, RRSAgent, egonw__, TallTed, Zakim, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
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15:08:40 <dbooth> Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meetings
15:08:42 <Lloyd> zakim, ipcaller is Lloyd
15:08:42 <Zakim> +Lloyd; got it
15:08:51 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150331
15:10:35 <dbooth> RESOLVED: Mar 31 minutes approved
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15:10:54 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF and Validation/Translation Task force
15:11:03 <dbooth> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/01-hcls-minutes.html
15:11:34 <Ingeborg_> Eric: topics: ordering, equivalence vs same spelling
15:11:49 <Ingeborg_> 3rd item rdf syntax
15:12:32 <Ingeborg_> ordering: FHIR JSON to FHIR RDF and back again: if n addresses order must be preserved
15:12:58 <Ingeborg_> schema tells you what to serialize
15:13:21 <Ingeborg_> sequence and there are alternatives to the owl sequence, there are ways to do this with annotations
15:13:31 <Ingeborg_> annotations can be done in the instance as well
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15:13:59 <Ingeborg_> sequence would always have to have the ordering in it
15:14:49 <Ingeborg_> issue: What RDF mechanism to use for ordering, will be an upcoming decision
15:14:49 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-6 - What rdf mechanism to use for ordering, will be an upcoming decision.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/issues/6/edit>.
15:15:18 <dbooth> zakim, dbooth also has MarkKramer
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15:16:07 <Ingeborg_> If we were to name 2 properties: lab observation date and a lab creation date, what fraction of properties on a base class like resource are inherited: creation date always the same, date has multiple meanings
15:16:37 <Ingeborg_> def for FHIR resources doesn't capture whether creation date inherits from a base resource
15:16:55 <Zakim> -Marc_Twagirumukiza
15:17:18 <dbooth> We decided to use fully qualified FHIR names for RDF properties
15:18:10 <Zakim> +Marc_Twagirumukiza
15:19:59 <Ingeborg_> Decision on using Turtle for our examples
15:20:20 <Ingeborg_> Tony: Concerns on tooling (with use or turtle)
15:20:26 <Ingeborg_> *of
15:20:51 <Ingeborg_> David: Turtle will be used for FHIR examples
15:21:17 <Ingeborg_> David: Upcoming HL7 Meeting in Paris
15:22:05 <dbooth> Topic: Upcoming HL7 Meeting - Paris May 10-15
15:22:12 <dbooth> http://www.hl7.org/events/wgm052015/
15:22:15 <Ingeborg_> David: Are there any particular items to be discussed?  Bring up issues or send email to the list
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15:23:23 <mscottm> Zakim, aacc is mscottm
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15:23:23 <dbooth> Topic: ONC comment on stable URIs and more, submitted Friday April 3
15:23:32 <dbooth> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPP5hiXCHsDovEd_68JjTHzlPEP3sLDzzMV6bzEt-Ok/edit
15:25:09 <dbooth> QUESTION: Does FHIR require stable URIs?
15:25:13 <Ingeborg_> David: Still interested in receiving comments on this document
15:25:38 <Ingeborg_> There is a stable URI defied for stucuture definition, value sets and conformance
15:25:57 <Ingeborg_> for other instances there is no expectation that there will be a stabe URI
15:27:20 <Ingeborg_> Is there anything in the FHIR spec that places reqs on the stability of a URI?
15:27:39 <Ingeborg_> Llyod: no req that there be a doc at the end of it, practice that it resolve the the structure def instance
15:28:01 <Ingeborg_> Llyod: not sure if this is spelled out as guidance in the spec
15:28:17 <Ingeborg_> David: This should be in the spec
15:29:11 <Ingeborg_> Llyoyd: not talking about the resource id (which changes)
15:29:33 <Ingeborg_> There is no requirement to make it dereferencable, David would like this to be a "should"
15:30:02 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:30:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, Ingeborg, PeterHendler, Tony, Claude, ericP, PKnapp, rhausam, Lloyd, Marc_Twagirumukiza, mscottm
15:30:04 <Zakim> dbooth has dbooth, MarkKramer
15:30:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see mscottm, Ingeborg_, Lloyd, dbooth, rhausam, AndroUser2, Claude, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, RRSAgent, egonw__, TallTed, Zakim, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
15:30:40 <Ingeborg_> Claude: used profile def to buid the ontology but not the urls
15:31:07 <Ingeborg_> Calude: pointing to whatever was the latest doc in the [?] repository
15:31:43 <dbooth> Proposal: We suggest to the FIHR group that a profile URI *should* be dereferenceable to an authoritative definition of that profile.
15:32:21 <dbooth> s/that/to make it explicit in the FHIR spec that/
15:32:53 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> +1
15:33:05 <dbooth> [[ Proposal: We suggest to the FIHR group to make it explicit in the FHIR spec tha a profile URI *should* be dereferenceable to an authoritative definition of that profile. ]]
15:33:28 <dbooth> ACTION: dbooth to do that
15:33:28 <trackbot> Error finding 'dbooth'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
15:33:45 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF project scope statement
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15:34:54 <Zakim> +Darrell
15:38:03 <Ingeborg_> Review of PSS project scope
15:38:23 <Ingeborg_> Tony: Is tooling part of the scope?
15:38:53 <Ingeborg_> what tools read the profile and build the ontology?
15:40:20 <Ingeborg_> Llyod: There should be specification and tooling
15:41:39 <Ingeborg_> tooling added to 1b in Project Scope
15:42:43 <Ingeborg_> David: clarification, #1: scraping FHIR defs to produce the ontology that is needed (agreement)
15:43:42 <Ingeborg_> #1 is tooling used to produced the onotlogies, seperate from implementation in #2
15:44:42 <Ingeborg_> added instance tooling as 2a in project scope
15:45:56 <Zakim> -Darrell
15:50:15 <Ingeborg_> Llyod: ontology can deal with transformations of resources as well as other instances
15:51:39 <Ingeborg_> Review of PSS Project Need (3.b.)
15:51:57 <Zakim> -ericP
15:52:20 <Zakim> +ericP
15:53:52 <Zakim> -Lloyd
15:54:00 <Ingeborg_> added Linked Data to last paragraph
15:56:34 <Ingeborg_> Review of 3.c.Success Criteria
15:58:52 <Ingeborg_> paragraph 1: change FHIR  representation to FHIR object representations
15:58:57 <Zakim> -Marc_Twagirumukiza
15:59:20 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
15:59:26 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:59:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
15:59:35 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
15:59:36 <Zakim> -PeterHendler
15:59:37 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:59:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
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15:59:41 <Zakim> -Tony
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15:59:46 <Zakim> -Claude
15:59:50 <Zakim> -dbooth
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16:00:16 <Zakim> -rhausam
16:00:17 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:00:17 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.271.aaaa, dbooth, Ingeborg, +1.510.418.aabb, Tony, PeterHendler, Marc_Twagirumukiza, ericP, PKnapp, rhausam, Claude, Lloyd, MarkKramer, +31.62.427.aacc,
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19:42:59 <dbooth> Present: Claude_Nanjo Darrell David_Booth EricP Ingeborg Lloyd_McKenzie Marc_Twagirumukiza Mark_Kramer Peter_Hendler Tony_Mallia egonw mscottm Paul_Knapp Rob_Hausam
19:43:04 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
19:43:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
19:49:58 <dbooth> trackbot, finish meeting
19:49:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
19:49:58 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
19:50:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:50:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-hcls-minutes.html trackbot
19:50:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
19:50:07 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-hcls-actions.rdf :
19:50:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: dbooth to do that [1]
19:50:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-hcls-irc#T15-33-28