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14:49:20 Zakim, this will be 63342
14:49:20 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:21 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:49:21 Date: 31 March 2015
14:52:43 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Mar/0070.html
15:00:38 HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:45 +[Microsoft]
15:00:55 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:00:57 +paulc; got it
15:00:58 present+
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15:02:10 zakim, list attendees
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15:04:22 +davide
15:04:33 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Mar/0070.html
15:05:39 + +1.408.536.aacc
15:05:44 Meeting: Media Task Force
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15:05:58 Chair: Paul Cotton
15:06:14 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Mar/0070.html
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15:06:42 scribe: joesteele
15:06:48 chair: paulc
15:06:51 Scribe: Joe Steele
15:07:01 Scirbenick: joesteele
15:07:08 zakim, list attendees
15:07:08 As of this point the attendees have been paulc, +1.650.458.aaaa, pal, jdsmith, +1.253.332.aabb, davide, +1.408.536.aacc
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15:07:16 zakim, aacc is me
15:07:17 +joesteele; got it
15:07:20 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:20 On the phone I see paulc, pal, jdsmith, davide, joesteele
15:07:37 Regrets: Mark Watson (sick)
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15:08:09 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:08:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:08:18 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:18 On the phone I see paulc, pal, jdsmith, davide, joesteele, +1.253.332.aadd
15:08:33 +BobLund
15:08:35 zakim, aadd is ddorwin
15:08:35 +ddorwin; got it
15:08:44 zakim, list attendees
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15:09:00 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:09:00 On the phone I see paulc, pal, jdsmith, davide, joesteele, ddorwin, BobLund
15:09:37 topic: Issue 43 - Provide guidance on object and CDM lifetime
15:09:40 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/43
15:10:07 ddorwin: nothing to talk about here -- just tracking bugzilla bugs
15:10:29 paulc: bugs refer in both ways
15:10:37 For cross-reference: see https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24771#c6
15:10:58 topic: Issue 44 - Idea: Add opaque "label" DOMString member to MediaKeySystemConfiguration
15:11:01 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/44
15:11:21 paulc: this says needs feedback -- can you introduce?
15:11:55 ddorwin: some internal conversation, folks thought it might be useful to know which configuration was selected
15:12:06 ... string would have no meaning except that UA would ensure it was returned
15:12:15 paulc: any comments?
15:12:20 ... would this be mandatory?
15:12:25 ... defaults to empty?
15:12:36 ddorwin: mandatory to implement, not for apps to use
15:12:56 ddorwin: normally apps could just do this, but becuase we return a new object its not possible for apps to just set
15:13:00 +1
15:13:05 seems reaonsable
15:13:15 jdsmith: think the problem is real
15:13:39 ... think its a good idea to have this label and would simplify knowing conditions media is playing under
15:13:51 paulc: any disagreement?
15:14:05 ... not hearing objections David
15:14:14 ... mark as to be implemented
15:14:49 +ddorwin.a
15:15:01 topic: Issue 39 - MediaKeyStatusMap: Replace maplike with explicit methods
15:15:04 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/39
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15:15:15 ACTION-78?
15:15:15 ACTION-78 -- Mark Watson to Look into @@iterators for issue 39 -- due 2015-03-24 -- CLOSED
15:15:15 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/78
15:15:31 ACTION-78 is due next week
15:15:35 paulc: on Mark -- should probably defer to next week
15:15:53 ACTION-78 due April 6
15:15:53 Set ACTION-78 Look into @@iterators for issue 39 due date to 2015-04-06.
15:16:32 topic: Issue 40 - replace "Distinctive Identifier" with "persistent Distinctive Identifier" where "use distinctive identifier" is false
15:16:36 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/40
15:16:37 ACTION-81?
15:16:37 ACTION-81 -- Paul Cotton to Contact henri about issue 40 -- due 2015-03-31 -- CLOSED
15:16:37 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/81
15:17:00 paulc: sent Henri a note but no response since yesterday -- he might be at IETF though
15:17:05 ... not sure what else we can do
15:17:17 ... do we need his feedback
15:17:20 ... ?
15:18:16 joesteele" Davids last comment is fine
15:18:49 paulc: I will send another note telling him we will take action if we don't hear by next week
15:19:20 ... will add to agenda next week
15:19:46 topic: Bug 26776 - Diagnosing and resolving CDM errors needs a numeric systemCode (deleted with MediaKeyError)
15:19:49 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
15:19:51 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
15:19:55 ACTION-76?
15:19:55 ACTION-76 -- Jerry Smith to Review and comment on issues 16 and 18 -- due 2015-03-10 -- CLOSED
15:19:55 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/76
15:20:05 ACTION-79?
15:20:06 ACTION-79 -- Jerry Smith to Draft a proposal for returning errors as per bug 26776 -- due 2015-03-30 -- OPEN
15:20:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/79
15:20:12 jdsmith: talked abou tthis last week about adding a system code
15:20:24 ... was some concern about it being mis-used to control app behavior
15:20:38 ... we proposed a single attribute for system codes - most recent code
15:20:47 ... was some discusion of a sequence of codes
15:20:58 ... app could check for an updated value during the session
15:21:04 ... that meets our implementation goals
15:21:12 Outline is in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776#c28
15:21:15 ... did not draft text describing this
15:21:23 ... but fairly self-explanatory
15:21:48 paulc: I assume this is as close to a proposal as we will get
15:21:54 ... we can close action-79
15:21:54 close ACTION-79
15:21:54 Closed ACTION-79.
15:22:17 ... need feedback on the outline that Jerry put in comment 28
15:22:40 jdsmith: a simple attribute is not as mis-usable/exploitable for the things we were concerned about
15:22:46 paulc: any other comments?
15:22:59 ... do the editors think this is enough to resolve the bug?
15:23:10 Having mic issues.
15:23:24 joesteele: I think this would be better than what we have I don't have a better proposal at this point
15:24:04 paulc: ddorwin, can you comment in the bug or in IRC?
15:24:08 Main comment is that MKS is not strictly related to "playback activity"
15:24:11 ... do you have anything to add?
15:24:20 ... Jerry do you have enough to complete?
15:24:25 jdsmith: I think so
15:24:28 But I agree that MKS is probably where this belongs.
15:24:47 jdsmith: that was my conclusion
15:25:13 joesteele: +1 also -- we can modify as needed with implementation experience
15:25:20 whiteboard label: to_be_implemented
15:25:35 paulc: how would we mark this to make sure it is ready to implement?
15:26:02 ... got it
15:26:13 ... done
15:26:45 topic: Issue 9 - Remove note that MediaKeySession events may not be fired until the MediaKeys object is associated with a media element
15:26:47 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/9
15:26:56 +ddorwin.aa
15:27:05 paulc: simple status is Mark is not present and this is on his plate
15:27:11 ... carry forward to next week
15:27:29 topic: EME/MSE Heartbeats
15:27:56 paulc: no news as yet -- not published yet
15:28:27 ... these should have been published today, last glitch was that web master would not publish MSE without a CR close date
15:28:39 ... would not take the original close date which was in the past
15:29:06 ... moving forward with proposal we made last week to handle the registries by not blocking and just pointing to the editros drafts
15:29:13 ... should be published today
15:29:23 topic: F2F meeting April 15/16
15:29:38 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:29:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:29:51 paulc: registration is up to 10-11 people
15:29:53 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/html-april-2015/results
15:30:32 ... wanted to point out that some people who have registered are more members of Accessibility TF
15:30:54 ... 3-4 Accessibility people will be meeting at the same time and would like to talk to us about transcripts
15:31:06 ... will we have the right people in the room to talk about this?
15:31:18 ACTION-80?
15:31:18 ACTION-80 -- Paul Cotton to Organize potential f2f topics part of wiki and sent out notice asking for input from tf -- due 2015-03-31 -- OPEN
15:31:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/80
15:31:19 ... don't have a good description of what they want to talk about yet
15:31:38 paulc: one of the F2F topics will be the Accessbility bug David provided feedback on
15:32:00 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27054
15:32:16 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html
15:32:30 paulc: so far folks that have reviewed it are ok with our feedback
15:32:43 ... but want to talk to us about transcripts and making sure they are accessible
15:33:37 paulc: who has not registered yet?
15:34:47 joesteele: would be nice to get Chris Pearce and Henri Silvonen but not yet
15:34:54 paulc: I will send more information next week
15:35:08 ... I took the action to update the wiki
15:36:31 -pal
15:37:02 joesteele: I will ping Mozilla folks again on this and CC Paul
15:37:12 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:37:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:37:29 topic: Other bugs to discuss?
15:37:43 http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo bugs
15:37:58 +pal
15:38:02 Issues https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues
15:38:10 ddorwin: no additional bugs off hand
15:38:19 ... getting lower on github
15:38:39 paulc: issue 39 and 34 are marked as help wanted
15:38:48 ddorwin: that is for folks who want to help implementing
15:39:00 ... we addressed the label one today
15:39:07 ... three more about event ordering
15:39:25 ... sorry 9 is not about event ordering -- Mark has an action there
15:39:54 ... 14 and 19 are blocked
15:39:55 q+
15:40:15 paulc: so it looks like we need to get 19 done and then 14 and 41 become unblocked
15:40:34 ddorwin: we need to add some text to github
15:40:56 paulc: think that it was 31 not 41 above
15:41:00 s/41/31/
15:41:14 ack joe
15:41:52 Topic: ISSUE-19
15:41:54 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19
15:43:08 See Chris's feedback: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19#issuecomment-78012864
15:43:28 joesteele: I think Chris and I intended that this become unblocked and that we are in agreement with you -- let's discuss more as needed
15:43:36 ddorwin: just need to find time to address this
15:43:41 issue 39 and 34 are marked as help wanted since they need a volunteer to implement them
15:44:05 topic: next meeting
15:44:29 paulc: suggest we meet next week and first topic is to discuss the F2F agenda
15:44:39 ... and then any other issues we had to skip this week
15:44:52 ... this is to give folks 8 days to prep for the F2F
15:45:00 ... could probably do this in half an hour
15:45:13 ... need feedback on the agenda for next week to make that happen
15:45:36 ... asa a reminder Mark asked to not start until after 9 on Wednesday
15:45:59 rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:45:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:46:04 paulc: thanks everyone, thanks for scribing Joe!
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15:46:16 -jdsmith
15:46:16 Zakim, who is here?
15:46:18 On the phone I see BobLund, pal
15:46:18 On IRC I see ddorwin, joesteele, davide, pal, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, adrianba, trackbot
15:46:20 -BobLund
15:46:26 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:46:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:46:33 -pal
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15:46:33 Attendees were paulc, +1.650.458.aaaa, pal, jdsmith, +1.253.332.aabb, davide, +1.408.536.aacc, joesteele, +1.253.332.aadd, BobLund, ddorwin
15:46:47 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:46:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:48:03 s/ISSUE 19/Issue 19 - Ensure promises returned by methods are fulfilled before event handlers are executed/
15:48:05 rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:48:37 s/ISSUE-19/Issue 19 - Ensure promises returned by methods are fulfilled before event handlers are executed/
15:48:40 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:48:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:49:08 s/reaonsable/reasonable/
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15:49:34 s/joesteele" Davids/joesteele: David's/
15:49:36 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:49:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:49:54 s/tthis/this/
15:49:55 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:49:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:50:47 s/14 and 41/14 and 31/
15:51:02 s/31 not 31/31 not 41/
15:51:03 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:51:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:52:25 s/seems reasonable/joesteele: seems reasonable/
15:52:30 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:52:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/31-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:52:53 zakim, bye
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