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15:29:59 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:30:00 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
15:30:13 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:E.A. Draffan,
15:30:21 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:30:40 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this  Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:30:42 <Lisa_Seeman> 
15:30:43 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:30:45 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items, FTF
15:30:46 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of actions,techniques
15:30:48 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+   FTF
15:30:49 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  simple language and web of things topic papers
15:30:51 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  issue papers: Gathering User Preferences and Numbers and the Web
15:30:52 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:51:25 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:51:32 <Zakim> + +1.718.618.aaaa
15:51:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is me
15:51:54 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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15:54:03 <Zakim> +??P1
15:54:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:54:46 <JohnRochford> JohnRochford has joined #coga
15:55:42 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Adapting_content_for_coga_personalization
15:57:08 <Zakim> + +972.5.467.5aabb
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15:58:20 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aabb is ayelet
15:58:20 <Zakim> +ayelet; got it
15:58:33 <Chaohai_Ding> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:58:33 <Zakim> +Chaohai_Ding; got it
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16:01:17 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim who is here?
16:01:24 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
16:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, ??P1, Chaohai_Ding, ayelet
16:01:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddahl, ayelet, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, slee, MichaelC, trackbot
16:02:03 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??p1 is JohnRochford
16:02:03 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
16:02:05 <Mike_Pluke> Mike_Pluke has joined #coga
16:03:20 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
16:03:27 <Zakim> +??P6
16:03:29 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:03:52 <Zakim> +??P7
16:04:05 <NeilMilliken> NeilMilliken has joined #coga
16:04:06 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:04:19 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: I sthe meeting now? I make 12 EST 2 hours off yet. Confused
16:04:53 <JohnRochford> Zakim, ??P7 is NeilMilliken
16:04:53 <Zakim> +NeilMilliken; got it
16:05:29 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:05:56 <JohnRochford> Yes, Steve, the meeting is now.
16:06:06 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
16:06:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, ayelet, ??P6, NeilMilliken, Debbie_Dahl
16:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see NeilMilliken, Mike_Pluke, ddahl, ayelet, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, slee, MichaelC, trackbot
16:06:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:39 <Mike_Pluke> zakim, ??P6 is me
16:06:40 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
16:06:49 <Tony_Doran> Tony_Doran has joined #coga
16:07:09 <slee> zakim, ??IPCaller is me
16:07:09 <Zakim> sorry, slee, I do not recognize a party named '??IPCaller'
16:07:20 <slee> zakim, +IPCaller is me
16:07:20 <Zakim> sorry, slee, I do not recognize a party named '+IPCaller'
16:07:30 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I'm closing 8 action items!
16:07:33 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aacc
16:07:40 <slee> zakim, +[IPCaller] is me
16:07:40 <Zakim> sorry, slee, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPCaller]'
16:07:45 <slee> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
16:07:45 <Zakim> +slee; got it
16:07:49 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Mar/0130.html
16:09:01 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:09:06 <JohnRochford> Lisa: FTF is starting at 9:30 for equipment check, then 10 for agenda
16:09:14 <Zakim> - +44.289.442.aacc
16:09:48 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aadd
16:09:58 <Tony_Doran> Zakim, aadd is me
16:09:58 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
16:10:02 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Previous link is to FTF agenda
16:10:03 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Mar/0130.html
16:10:40 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Any suggestions for agenda or for people to invite?
16:11:00 <Tony_Doran> I haven't heard back from Simon @ Widget - shall I ping him again?
16:11:06 <Lisa_Seeman> sure
16:11:16 <NeilMilliken> Q+
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16:11:38 <Zakim> + +1.512.445.aaee
16:12:17 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, who is here?
16:12:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, ayelet, Mike_Pluke, NeilMilliken, Debbie_Dahl, slee, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Tony_Doran, +1.512.445.aaee
16:12:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, Tony_Doran, NeilMilliken, Mike_Pluke, ddahl, ayelet, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, slee, MichaelC, trackbot
16:12:34 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, Susann_Keohane is aaee
16:12:34 <Zakim> sorry, Susann_Keohane, I do not recognize a party named 'Susann_Keohane'
16:12:45 <NeilMilliken> Q-
16:12:47 <Lisa_Seeman> action Neil to follow up with jamie night
16:12:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Follow up with jamie night [on Neil Milliken - due 2015-04-06].
16:13:20 <JohnRochford> Zakim, aaee is Susann_Keohane
16:13:20 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
16:13:27 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:13:41 <Susann_Keohane> thanks John :)
16:13:44 <JohnRochford> Neil: Jamie Knight is working on paperwork to join task force, and will be joining us for FTF
16:13:59 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
16:13:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, ayelet, Mike_Pluke, NeilMilliken, Debbie_Dahl, slee, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Tony_Doran, Susann_Keohane
16:14:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, Tony_Doran, NeilMilliken, Mike_Pluke, ddahl, ayelet, JohnRochford, Chaohai_Ding, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, slee, MichaelC, trackbot
16:14:21 <Tony_Doran> Have emailed Simon @ Widgit (CTO) again, hope he comes back to us.
16:14:35 <slee> link for latest version?
16:15:18 <Zakim> + +1.804.749.aaff
16:15:30 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
16:16:11 <DebraRuh> DebraRuh has joined #COGA
16:16:29 <JohnRochford> Debra, are you at 804 area code?
16:17:10 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:17:14 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: Looks good
16:17:23 <JohnRochford> Lisa: ADHD and dyscalculia techniques need to be added to techniques page
16:17:27 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:17:55 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Issue_Papers#Current_drafts
16:18:31 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Any issue papers we should add?
16:18:54 <slee> q+
16:19:09 <Lisa_Seeman> ack steve
16:19:33 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Anyone feel strongly that issues should be added to first editor's draft?
16:20:18 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:20:33 <JohnRochford> +1 to adding GPII to FTF agenda
16:21:02 <NeilMilliken> +2 for GPII
16:21:22 <JohnRochford> Tony: I have experience to GPII, and would be interested in talking with Steve offline.
16:21:28 <Mike_Pluke> +1
16:21:58 <Mike_Pluke> q+
16:21:59 <Tony_Doran> f2f sounds good for GPII
16:22:03 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:22:09 <slee> +1
16:22:15 <Lisa_Seeman> ack steve
16:22:22 <slee> q-
16:22:31 <Lisa_Seeman> ack tony
16:23:01 <JohnRochford> Tony: GPII is very much about mapping equivalencies across devices.
16:24:06 <Tony_Doran> I will be at the f2f
16:24:22 <Lisa_Seeman> ack tony
16:24:25 <slee> Tony Atkins is the GPII PTD lead
16:24:36 <Tony_Doran> I will prep a short ppt for the mappin stuff - GPII etc etc
16:24:52 <JohnRochford> Mike: What's the actual status of the GPII roll out?
16:24:55 <Tony_Doran> Oooohhhh State? Not commercially viable at this time
16:24:57 <JohnRochford> Zakim, who is noisy?
16:25:04 <Tony_Doran> I can fill in detail there too
16:25:08 <Zakim> JohnRochford, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mike_Pluke (49%), slee (36%), Tony_Doran (60%), Lisa_Seeman (39%)
16:25:42 <janina> zakim, call janina-mobile
16:25:42 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:25:44 <Zakim> +Janina
16:25:50 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:26:12 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:26:16 <Lisa_Seeman> ack mike
16:26:21 <janina> zakim, mute me
16:26:21 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
16:26:29 <Zakim> - +1.804.749.aaff
16:27:19 <JohnRochford> Tony: GPII funding has not been secured to be put into production.
16:27:43 <JohnRochford> Steve: That is "absolutely true".
16:28:00 <Tony_Doran> Compatible but not dependent is spot on
16:28:32 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons
16:28:38 <Mike_Pluke> q+
16:29:15 <Lisa_Seeman> ack tony
16:29:21 <Lisa_Seeman> ack mik
16:29:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: What can GPII do with adaptable links and buttons?
16:30:23 <Mike_Pluke> q-
16:31:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: How will different personalization techniques be pulled together / interoperable?
16:31:42 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Perhaps there should be an issue paper for that.
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16:32:50 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Does anyone want to volunteer to write such an issue paper?
16:34:10 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Steve & Mike, would you like to contribute to that issue paper (if I write it)?
16:34:54 <slee> ISO/IEC 24751-2:2008
16:34:56 <slee> Information technology -- Individualized adaptability and accessibility in e-learning, education and training -- Part 2: "Access for all" personal needs and preferences for digital delivery
16:35:15 <JohnRochford> Mike: I could put a short treatise together.
16:35:50 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Mike and Lisa to look at issue paper on interoprable personalization standards
16:35:51 <trackbot> 'Mike' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., mpluke, mikes).
16:36:10 <Lisa_Seeman> action: mpluke to draft  issue paper on interoprable personalization standards
16:36:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Draft  issue paper on interoprable personalization standards [on Mike Pluke - due 2015-04-06].
16:36:15 <JohnRochford> Mike = Mike_Pluke
16:36:22 <slee> http://wiki.gpii.net/w/Developer_Space/Standards
16:36:26 <NeilMilliken> yes it is paid for steve :-(
16:37:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need an outline of how we want to do a gap analysis.
16:37:25 <slee> NeilMilliken: bah!
16:37:40 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa and john to draft how we want to do gap analisis
16:37:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - And john to draft how we want to do gap analisis [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-04-06].
16:38:59 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Perhaps there could be COGA extensions for WCAG.
16:39:38 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should decide what we can get out in 2 years, 4 years, etc..
16:40:57 <Zakim> +??P11
16:41:27 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Does anyone have any students who have interest in getting something out, such as a demo?
16:41:44 <JohnRochford> Lisa: If so, they should contact me.
16:42:08 <MichaelC> ack me
16:42:28 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
16:44:06 <JohnRochford> Michael: I won't start on moving the techniques paper until later this week at the soonest.
16:44:51 <JohnRochford> Michael: I may be able to move it today, but I won't have time for the issue papers until Friday at the earliest.
16:45:43 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Web_of_Things
16:45:53 <JohnRochford> Michael: I will send a note to TF members before moving the issue papers.
16:46:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:46:12 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons
16:46:19 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:46:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, IPcaller is Rich
16:46:24 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
16:46:34 <NeilMilliken> yes wot
16:46:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> sure
16:46:53 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Web_of_Things
16:47:22 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:47:27 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Any comments on the WOT paper?
16:49:06 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I'm not sure what Tim meant by standardizing controls, features, etc..
16:49:22 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:49:36 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I can't imagine we can standardizing those things for all interfaces.
16:50:04 <NeilMilliken> Surely connectors and APIs are key
16:50:13 <NeilMilliken> Q+
16:50:14 <ayelet> yes
16:50:48 <Lisa_Seeman> ack to
16:51:52 <JohnRochford> Tony: I think what's difficult is addressing everything "at one go".
16:52:46 <Tony_Doran> Absolutely - it is the hook that will allow the individual adaptability
16:52:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
16:52:55 <Zakim> -ayelet
16:52:58 <Tony_Doran> be it triggers or apps or....
16:53:13 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
16:53:17 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ne
16:53:31 <Zakim> +ayelet
16:53:33 <Tony_Doran> Sorry phone died will call back
16:53:39 <Lisa_Seeman> ok
16:53:49 <JohnRochford> Rich: Greg worked on the universal remote console.
16:54:02 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:54:14 <JohnRochford> Rich: That could be added to a mobile device.
16:54:48 <JohnRochford> Rich: I can't see any commonality across devices without the use of an API.
16:54:57 <JohnRochford> Zakim, who is noisy?
16:55:01 <Tony_Doran> Yes - hence the web is the glue - via APIs
16:55:11 <Zakim> JohnRochford, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rich (4%), Lisa_Seeman (19%)
16:56:20 <slee> indieUI probably fits in here for the web
16:57:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.openurc.org/
16:57:10 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Is there anything we need to add, perhaps, such as importance, to a universal remote console?
16:58:09 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
16:58:30 <JohnRochford> Rich: The URC is an ISO standard, but we could review it, for example, in terms of importance.
16:59:30 <Tony_Doran> Very sorry I have a hard stop today. Will read minutes.
16:59:42 <JohnRochford> Rich: I will ask Godfried(?) about reviewing URC.
16:59:45 <Lisa_Seeman> action: rich to ask gotfreid if we can review urc
16:59:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Ask gotfreid if we can review urc [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-04-06].
16:59:47 <Tony_Doran> Great call today btw. F2F will be good.
16:59:59 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
17:00:58 <slee> Zakim: http://wiki.gpii.net/w/URC_Super_Sockets
17:01:03 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
17:01:46 <MichaelC> ack me
17:03:01 <ddahl> ddahl has left #coga
17:03:07 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:03:32 <MichaelC> ack me
17:03:38 <MichaelC> ack r
17:03:40 <janina> zakim, unmute me
17:03:40 <Zakim> Janina should no longer be muted
17:03:51 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ri
17:03:57 <Zakim> -Rich
17:04:00 <Zakim> -ayelet
17:04:03 <Zakim> -Mike_Pluke
17:04:04 <Zakim> -NeilMilliken
17:04:08 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:04:08 <Zakim> -slee
17:04:15 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
17:04:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:04:29 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:04:29 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.718.618.aaaa, Lisa_Seeman, +972.5.467.5aabb, ayelet, Chaohai_Ding, JohnRochford, NeilMilliken, Debbie_Dahl, Mike_Pluke,
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17:04:32 <Zakim> ... +44.289.442.aacc, slee, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +44.289.442.aadd, Tony_Doran, +1.512.445.aaee, Susann_Keohane, +1.804.749.aaff, Janina, Michael_Cooper, Rich
17:04:36 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:04:36 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-coga-actions.rdf :
17:04:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike and Lisa to look at issue paper on interoprable personalization standards [1]
17:04:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-coga-irc#T16-35-50
17:04:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mpluke to draft  issue paper on interoprable personalization standards [2]
17:04:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-coga-irc#T16-36-10
17:04:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa and john to draft how we want to do gap analisis [3]
17:04:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-coga-irc#T16-37-40
17:04:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: rich to ask gotfreid if we can review urc [4]
17:04:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-coga-irc#T16-59-45