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16:52:28 <Jan> Zakim, this will be AUWG
16:52:28 <Zakim> ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
16:52:34 <Jan> Meeting: WAI AU
16:52:54 <Jan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2015JanMar/0033.html
16:53:00 <Jan> Regrets: Tim B.
16:56:48 <Jan> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
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16:59:42 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()1:00PM has now started
16:59:49 <Zakim> +Jeanne
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17:01:23 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
17:01:23 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
17:02:43 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is really Alastair
17:02:43 <Zakim> +Alastair; got it
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17:11:41 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta
17:11:41 <Zakim> +Jutta; got it
17:11:49 <Jan> Scribe: Jan
17:12:04 <Jan> Topic: 1. Update on ATAG WG charter
17:12:16 <Jan> JS: AC thanks for your comments on charter
17:12:30 <Jan> JS: There were comments from others re: lack of progress
17:12:51 <Jan> JS: But actually we have been making progress
17:13:12 <Jan> JS: One good thing coming out of his is that the exist criteria might be reopened
17:13:52 <Jan> JS: We would re-publish new CR
17:15:25 <Jan> JS: Need new exit criteria for that
17:15:42 <Jan> JS: Then comes PR (Proposed Rec) stage
17:16:00 <Jan> JS: I think we are pretty close
17:16:18 <Jan> JS: We need exit criteria as bulletproof as possible
17:25:31 <Jan> JT: I received word from someone from a member org that they wanted to join AUWG
17:25:42 <Jan> JR: Great!
17:26:06 <Jan> Topic: Exit criteria
17:26:33 <Jan> JT: As far as we know, hwhat has been met so far...
17:26:58 <Jan> JS: A bit more complicated - we need two tests of each meeting SC
17:27:07 <Jan> JS: I'm going back over this
17:27:37 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/#exit
17:27:48 <Jan> (existing version)
17:29:19 <Jan> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2015JanMar/0035.html
17:29:24 <Jan> (proposed version)
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17:31:20 <Jan> JR: Main change... Note 3: Thirteen ATAG 2.0 success criteria are dependent on WCAG 2.0 for their levels (i.e. A.1.1.1 Web-Based Accessible (WCAG), B.1.1.1 Content Auto-Generation After Authoring Sessions (WCAG), etc.). These will be tested at WCAG 2.0 Level A.
17:31:31 <Jan> JS: Don't format as notes
17:31:36 <Jan> JR: I will change
17:31:53 <Jan> JR: I can also clarify that "features" referes to SCs
17:33:04 <alastairc> How about: there must be at least two independent implementations of features that meet each success crtiera.
17:33:29 <Jan> JR: I like that
17:34:13 <Jan> JT: Make adjustments in first and second sentence?
17:34:24 <Jan> AC: Maybe don't need to
17:50:14 <Jan> AC: Idea of starting with WCAG and working the other way
17:53:14 <Jan> AC: I'd be iok with 50% at Level A
17:53:32 <Jan> JS: Where applicable at Level A
17:54:00 <Jan> AC: Difficulty of going to 100% rules that out
17:54:16 <Jan> AC: But 1 or 2 things at each level doesn't seem serious implmentation
17:54:26 <Jan> JT: Back to user reqs
17:54:48 <Jan> JT: Litmus test at the end, can this tool be used by someone needing alternative access
17:55:10 <Jan> JT: And for B, can someone create accessible output...reasonably
17:55:51 <Jan> JR: But doesn't that get into personas...which has its own multiplication
17:57:16 <Jan> AC: Standard will still need to fully meet
17:57:33 <Jan> AC:P Here we are talking about "Can it be implemented by a tool?"
17:57:54 <Jan> AC: Gap would be if a tool could not meet the standard
18:01:12 <Jan> JS: One of things I said is that we aren't trying to prove WCAG
18:01:32 <Jan> JS: So I think we want to be clear about that
18:01:42 <Jan> JT: Given our time frame
18:02:06 <Jan> JT: WCAG has been accepted etc
18:02:25 <Jan> JT: Do we want to get too complex?
18:03:44 <Jan> JR: I'm still leaning to 50%+1 of WCAG 2.0 Level A
18:04:16 <Jan> JS: These must demonstrate at least 50% of the applicable success criteria of WCAG
18:04:22 <Jan> JR: At level A?
18:04:45 <Jan> JT: We don't want a trigger that they aren't strong enough
18:06:03 <Jan> AC: Looking at the (WCAG ) ones in ATAG 2 Part B
18:07:15 <Jan> JR: I'll do a reword of the exit criteria + 13 sentences to explain how they would apply to each SC
18:07:27 <jeanne> ATAG Scorecard -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/CR20/eval/scorecard
18:08:45 <Jan> brb
18:13:38 <Zakim> -Alastair
18:13:39 <Zakim> -Jutta
18:13:49 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:14:45 <Zakim> -Jan
18:14:47 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()1:00PM has ended
18:14:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Alastair, Jutta
18:15:22 <Jan> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:15:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/30-au-minutes.html Jan
18:15:43 <Jan> RRSAgent, set logs public
18:15:48 <Jan> Zakim, bye
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18:15:53 <Jan> RRSAgent, bye
18:15:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items