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12:56:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
12:56:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:56:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
12:56:19 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2015
12:56:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: SVG Accessibility Task Force
12:56:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Fred
12:57:07 <fesch> Topic: Chart Navigation for Sighted Users
12:57:33 <fesch> meeting passcode: access
13:02:00 <LJWatson> zakim, who is one the phone?
13:02:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LJWatson.
13:02:08 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:02:08 <Zakim> sorry, LJWatson, I don't know what conference this is
13:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfeger, fesch, LJWatson, MichaelC, shepazu, nikos, ed, trackbot
13:02:15 <LJWatson> zakim, this is 2742
13:02:15 <Zakim> ok, LJWatson; that matches WAI_SVGTF()9:00AM
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13:03:13 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
13:03:23 <LJWatson> Meeting: SVG A11y TF telecon
13:03:32 <fesch> password for meeting is: access
13:03:35 <LJWatson> Chair: Fred Esch
13:03:45 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:03:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see fesch, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, [IPcaller], +1.512.238.aaaa
13:03:58 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:03:58 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
13:04:28 <fesch> Amelia, let me know if you can get into the webshare
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13:05:02 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
13:05:02 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:05:19 <LJWatson> agenda+ Chart navigation for sighted users
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13:06:56 <Zakim> +??P14
13:07:25 <Zakim> + +1.781.565.aabb
13:07:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
13:07:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Fred
13:08:19 <AmeliaBR> zakim, ??P14 is me
13:08:19 <Zakim> +AmeliaBR; got it
13:08:32 <cpandhi> scribenick
13:08:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribenick: cpandhi
13:08:52 <amy> zakim, +1.781.565.aabb is me
13:08:52 <Zakim> +amy; got it
13:08:54 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
13:08:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Chart navigation for sighted users" taken up [from LJWatson]
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13:09:12 <cpandhi> RS Doug is not here
13:09:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: Doug is not here
13:09:40 <chaals> zakim, code?
13:09:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 2742 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
13:09:51 <chaals> chaals has changed the topic to: #svg-a11y 2742...
13:09:57 <cpandhi> web meeting link https://apps.na.collabserv.com/meetings/join?id=2897-5157, password access
13:10:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:10:36 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
13:10:37 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
13:10:49 <cpandhi> FA: waiting for Chaals
13:11:34 <cpandhi> FA: sharing a visual
13:12:52 <cpandhi> FA:What we have a web gui, on the left is the specification and on the right is the chart
13:13:54 <cpandhi> FA: first concept to talk about is navigation order
13:14:33 <cpandhi> FA: use arrow keys to navigate the axis, there is 1 y axis
13:15:34 <cpandhi> FA: use the right arrow key to move across , there is a green bubble visual focus
13:15:55 <cpandhi> RS: what kind of information you have on the bubbles ?
13:16:36 <cpandhi> FA: for sighted users what we are interested is only interactivity
13:16:58 <cpandhi> RS: did not know if there is tool tip information
13:17:51 <cpandhi> FA: for blind users we have more information but sighted users we are interested in interactivity only
13:18:31 <cpandhi> FA: when you have islands and you want to hop you use the shift key
13:19:19 <cpandhi> FA: Next is box chart, we have 2 axis, x axis is the category and y axis is the range
13:20:40 <cpandhi> FA: depending on the statistics, there will be anomelies
13:22:01 <Zakim> +Jason_White
13:22:09 <cpandhi> FA: We can cycle through the parts
13:22:17 <AmeliaBR> s/anomelies/anomalies (outliers)/
13:22:38 <cpandhi> Jason: is listening in
13:22:54 <cpandhi> FA: use space bar to move between the parts
13:24:21 <cpandhi> FA: next is the bar chart, x is categories and y axis the range
13:25:05 <cpandhi> FA: when you want to move between the bars use the space bar and arrow key to move the individual parts
13:25:35 <cpandhi> FA: stacks are important and for blind users we give totals and a tree structure
13:26:16 <cpandhi> RS: one of the take away is you are grouping and then allowing to drill down
13:27:16 <cpandhi> FA: able to get the stack totals  and individual information is important
13:28:32 <cpandhi> RS: important to provide the information of the whole stack itself
13:28:45 <cpandhi> FA: could provide that in the tooltip
13:29:03 <cpandhi> RS: will need authoring practices real bad
13:29:37 <cpandhi> FA: lets go to the cluster bar three level
13:30:08 <cpandhi> FA: this chart s a cluster bar with 3 x axis clustered inside
13:30:30 <cpandhi> RS: how do you cycle through ?
13:30:49 <cpandhi> FA: You just use the arrow keys
13:32:09 <cpandhi> RS: if we have an axis that have multiple levels we need roles for nested axis
13:32:43 <cpandhi> FA: for blind users this will be represented as a tree and you will get all the information
13:32:59 <LJWatson> q+
13:33:10 <cpandhi> RS: axis can have levels with multiple levels
13:33:36 <cpandhi> FA: the bars are much more important when they have levels
13:34:21 <LJWatson> ack me
13:34:46 <cpandhi> RS: we need to make sure that any nesting and group should have roles and can drill down
13:35:30 <cpandhi> FA: With clustering it is quite normal to have multiple levels
13:37:42 <cpandhi> FA: jump to move to relationship in a tree
13:38:24 <cpandhi> FA: we provide relationship in a tree
13:38:56 <cpandhi> RS: are you using flowto to navigate ?
13:39:01 <cpandhi> FA: not yet
13:40:37 <cpandhi> FA: the nodes coming out are visually highlighted with different colors
13:41:40 <cpandhi> FA: use arrow keys to move to the nodes
13:42:20 <cpandhi> FA: We give a forward path and highlight the flow from path
13:42:49 <cpandhi> RS: So how do you show the differnce in color some other way ?
13:43:28 <cpandhi> FA: primarily it is only by color, could add border thickness, by default we do not
13:44:25 <cpandhi> FA: option to highlight direction relationship
13:45:20 <cpandhi> FA: In this graph is 3graph, with a bar char rotated by 90 dgerees and 2 pie charts
13:46:04 <cpandhi> FA: for multiple graphs to move between the graph is important
13:47:09 <cpandhi> FA:  should be able to move between views and keep the point of regard
13:47:25 <cpandhi> FA: Next is a Chord chart
13:48:04 <cpandhi> FA: has 2 conceptually different sections with ribbons that connect them
13:48:42 <cpandhi> FA: we have severities
13:50:48 <cpandhi> FA: Next is another chord chart with countries in the outer circle and ribbons represent surplus that connect them
13:51:35 <cpandhi> FA: on the out side use arrow keys to move around the circle, for the ribbons use space bar to get within
13:51:43 <chaals> q+
13:52:02 <cpandhi> FA: ribbons represent relationships
13:52:26 <cpandhi> FA: Chord charts are complex with multiple parents
13:53:47 <cpandhi> Chaals: different way to represents different graphs
13:53:48 <LJWatson> q+ to say it essentially comes down to data, relationships and context.
13:54:30 <cpandhi> Chaals : this representation makes it easy to navigate
13:55:01 <LJWatson> ack me
13:55:01 <Zakim> LJWatson, you wanted to say it essentially comes down to data, relationships and context.
13:55:34 <cpandhi> AB: When connector is not highlighted hoe do you which direction it is following ?
13:56:13 <cpandhi> Chaals: the idea that there is dominant parent is pointless
13:57:01 <AmeliaBR> s/hoe/how/
13:59:04 <Zakim> -LJWatson
13:59:36 <cpandhi> CP: Thank you
14:02:31 <cpandhi> FA: main point across is there is lot of relations ships and data to navigate
14:03:13 <cpandhi> Chaals: what is a sensible way to do navigation that is structured
14:03:46 <cpandhi> Chaals: what is the minimum information needed to describe the navigations
14:04:45 <cpandhi> AB: different way to navigate, navigate by relations, need to define multilevel navigation
14:06:17 <cpandhi> FA: having a common repository is a good way to start
14:06:53 <cpandhi> Chaals: use the community repository , will send an email
14:09:12 <cpandhi> RS: like to do reach out to oracle to show their work
14:11:02 <cpandhi> Chaals: put together a suggestion to meet in Europe, SVG group and others
14:11:21 <cpandhi> Amy: i am from oracle group
14:11:37 <cpandhi> RS: Amy do you charts to show ?
14:11:59 <cpandhi> Amy: yes we can show some
14:13:51 <cpandhi> FA: using tab key is difficult to navigate complex charts
14:14:24 <cpandhi> RS: Fred you have an idea to navigate
14:14:52 <cpandhi> Chaals: you have triangles inside triagles
14:16:49 <cpandhi> Chaals: pick a triangle, navigate logically
14:17:24 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-svg-a11y-minutes.html chaals
14:18:18 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
14:18:20 <Zakim> - +1.512.238.aaaa
14:18:22 <Zakim> -amy
14:18:24 <Zakim> -chaals
14:18:29 <Zakim> -fesch
14:18:32 <Zakim> -Jason_White
14:18:34 <Zakim> -AmeliaBR
14:18:35 <Zakim> WAI_SVGTF()9:00AM has ended
14:18:35 <Zakim> Attendees were fesch, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.512.238.aaaa, LJWatson, AmeliaBR, amy, [IPcaller], chaals, Jason_White
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