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20:01:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
20:01:08 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2015
20:01:12 <Zakim> +clapierre
20:01:47 <Zakim> +Liam
20:03:47 <clapierre> zakim, who is on phone
20:03:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on phone', clapierre
20:04:00 <clapierre> zakim, phone?
20:04:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, clapierre.
20:04:12 <clapierre> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:04:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see dkaplan3, +1.415.400.aaaa, clapierre, Liam
20:05:18 <clapierre> zakim, mihnea_____ is Mia
20:05:18 <Zakim> +Mia; got it
20:05:26 <liam> [ mihnea_____ is Mihnea Ovidenie ]
20:06:00 <clapierre> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:06:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see dkaplan3, Mia, clapierre, Liam
20:08:04 <clapierre> sribenic, me
20:08:22 <liam> scribenick: clapierre
20:08:44 <liam> s/sribenic, me//
20:10:03 <clapierre> our meetings will change from 1PM / 4PM EST starting next week will be 8AM/ 11 AM EST every Friday.
20:12:47 <clapierre> Mia, Flash conversation is very controversial, but all was said in the email exchange.
20:13:12 <liam> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/flash.html
20:14:48 <clapierre> liam, javascript should be more accessible than flash
20:15:08 <clapierre> deborah, 99% javascript should be accessible if done right
20:16:48 <clapierre> liam, what does w3C need to provide to publishers to help them make their content accessible
20:17:18 <clapierre> mia, we know publishers doesn't want to be sued, and to sell their content
20:18:09 <clapierre> … digital publications ties into user agent in a way, its not different than browsers but you can't really do that with readers.
20:23:01 <clapierre> deborah, no good accessible epub authoring tools and we probably won't get around to ATAG.
20:24:09 <clapierre> mia, how do we really make this work when not all readers even support the current standards.
20:25:18 <clapierre> …, nvda now supports MathML
20:29:06 <clapierre> clapierre, Tzyvia said that we are tasked to create a W3C Note for the W3C audience.  Not Publishers that will be handled by BISG and other groups.
20:30:00 <clapierre> liam, epub does use HTML5 and css and w3c can change those specs
20:30:46 <clapierre> …, BISG can write their best practices and reference the W3C standards.
20:31:52 <clapierre> mia, we need to define "DPUB" epub, web publications, self publishing
20:33:30 <clapierre> liam, professionally mediated publications could be our definition of DPUB.
20:34:54 <clapierre> s/professionally mediated publications/professionally mediated digital publications
20:36:24 <clapierre> …, if a publisher (wiley, time, etc..) need something more than open web platform provides then this is what we are here to accommodate
20:37:55 <Zakim> +George_Kerscher
20:43:23 <liam> scribenick: liam
20:43:43 <liam> clapierre: for WCAG general techniques we have about a dozen not required, and 6 or so we're not sure of
20:43:49 <liam> Not required:
20:44:32 <clapierre> WCAG A11Y DPUB General - Technique Development Assignments
20:44:32 <clapierre> Not Required
20:44:32 <clapierre> G1: Adding a link at the top of each page that goes directly to the main content area
20:44:32 <clapierre> G9: Creating captions for live synchronized media
20:44:32 <clapierre> G63: Providing a site map
20:44:32 <clapierre> G71: Providing a help link on every Web page
20:44:32 <clapierre> G157: Incorporating a live audio captioning service into a Web page
20:44:33 <clapierre> G174: Providing a control with a sufficient contrast ratio that allows users to switch to a presentation that uses sufficient contrast
20:44:33 <clapierre> G175: Providing a multi color selection tool on the page for foreground and background colors
20:44:33 <clapierre> G178: Providing controls on the Web page that allow users to incrementally change the size of all text on the page up to 200 percent
20:44:34 <clapierre> G180: Providing the user with a means to set the time limit to 10 times the default time limit
20:44:34 <clapierre> G181: Encoding user data as hidden or encrypted data in a re-authorization page
20:44:34 <clapierre> G185: Linking to all of the pages on the site from the home page
20:44:35 <clapierre> G188: Providing a button on the page to increase line spaces and paragraph spaces
20:44:35 <clapierre> G189: Providing a control near the beginning of the Web page that changes the link text
20:44:35 <clapierre> G200: Opening new windows and tabs from a link only when necessary
20:44:35 <clapierre> G201: Giving users advanced warning when opening a new window
20:51:15 <clapierre> G180: we need an adapted version for DPUB.
20:51:44 <clapierre> mia, this may be a UA issue?
20:52:09 <clapierre> deborah, too often that is hard coded by developers and has to be overrriden.
20:52:13 <liam> G178 - may be part of the document
20:53:50 <liam> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/G181.html on session timeout and not hving to reenter data
20:53:59 <liam> may be relevant
20:54:08 <liam> (G181)
20:54:54 <liam> liam: e.g. for saving an annotation or notes on a remote server
20:56:07 <liam> G185 - no
20:58:11 <liam> G189 no, it's awful :)
20:59:09 <liam> but we have to think about this - you've got omething that can't be made accessible but there's an alteriative
20:59:26 <liam> so we need to make sure we cover that case but we may cover it somewhere else
21:00:54 <clapierre> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/G200.html
21:01:11 <liam> GK: longdesc often in another window
21:01:19 <liam> footnotes, endnotes
21:01:24 <liam> bibliographic refs
21:02:40 <clapierre> I think G200 is relevant to DPUB.
21:03:17 <liam> G201 - yes
21:05:00 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
21:05:02 <Zakim> -Mia
21:05:03 <Zakim> -George_Kerscher
21:05:03 <Zakim> -Liam
21:05:03 <Zakim> -clapierre
21:05:04 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUB A1()4:00PM has ended
21:05:04 <Zakim> Attendees were dkaplan3, +1.415.400.aaaa, clapierre, Liam, Mia, George_Kerscher
21:05:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dpub-minutes.html liam
21:07:31 <clapierre> yes
21:11:25 <liam> ok, cool
21:11:56 <clapierre> thanks again! bye
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