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14:49:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
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14:49:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:49:05 <trackbot> Date: 25 March 2015
14:50:14 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0017
14:50:15 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0017
14:50:16 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:50:16 <Steven> Regrets: Nick
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14:57:54 <pfennell> I'm going to be about 10 minutes late joining the call.
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14:59:53 <Steven> OK
14:59:58 <Steven> Alain, Erik, shall we wait for Philip?
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15:01:42 <Zakim> +??P0
15:01:46 <Steven> zakim, I am ?
15:01:46 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
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15:01:55 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
15:01:55 <Zakim> ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
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15:08:55 <Steven> Topic: Reminder - meeting time back to normal next week
15:08:55 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0005
15:10:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:10:35 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
15:10:37 <Zakim> ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
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15:12:09 <Steven> Topic: Schedule
15:12:09 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0008
15:12:20 <Steven> Steven: Glad there's some action
15:12:58 <Steven> ... there's an AC meeting next month in Paris. I will be there. I am in conttact with Liam.
15:13:07 <Steven> s/tt/t/
15:13:35 <Steven> Topic: XPath Expressions Module, up to and including 4.3
15:13:35 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module
15:13:51 <Steven> Steven: Thank you Alain for your remarks
15:14:04 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0018.html
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15:15:27 <Steven_> .... and I agree about the missing serialization instance
15:16:54 <Steven_> Steven: Section 2, the XPath-version attribute
15:17:07 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_xpath-version_attribute
15:19:07 <Steven_> Steven: I don't understand the last sentence
15:19:58 <Steven_> Erik: Everything is an item in XPath 2
15:20:22 <Steven_> ... I think he means that a sequencce of items is to be interpreted as a node-set
15:20:27 <Steven_> s/cc/c/
15:20:53 <Steven_> Steven: OK, so this is just an editorial fix to make the sentence read better.
15:21:09 <Steven_> ... I'll look for a way to say it more clearly.
15:21:49 <Steven> Steven: Section 3.1
15:22:55 <Steven> ... oh it's just a problem with my print-out; on the screen it's OK.
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15:24:15 <Steven> .... same with 3.1.2
15:24:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:24:53 <Steven> Steven: 4,1,2 is-card-number
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15:25:08 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_is-card-number.28.29_Function
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15:27:16 <Steven> .... The patent is expired, so I prefer to call to call the reference just [Luhn], so as not to draw attention to
15:27:23 <Steven> ... it
15:27:50 <Steven> Steven: Section 4.1.3 Valid()
15:28:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_valid.28.29_Function
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15:28:45 <Steven> Steven: Step 2 doesn't say what happens if $recurse is set to false.
15:29:39 <Steven> ... it needs an 'otherwise'
15:29:55 <Steven> Erik: Otherwise it is the initial selection
15:30:36 <Steven> Erik: Do the other functions have $recurse?
15:30:42 <Steven> Steven: No, I was going to raise that
15:31:09 <Steven> Erik: It seems to be based on use-case
15:32:07 <Steven> ... for validity there is definitely a use case, but for the others I can;t see one so easily
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15:32:31 <Steven> Steven: We must have decided that some time ago.
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15:33:47 <Steven> Steven: As long as we are aware that we are doing it, it's gine
15:33:54 <Steven> s/gine/fine/
15:34:20 <Steven> Erik: We can add it later.
15:34:59 <Steven> Steven: In 4.2.2 and 4.2.3
15:35:32 <Steven> ... in min and max, both use the < operator. I guess that's OK, the intent is clear.
15:37:06 <Steven> ... ah, it's the same wording as XForms 1.1
15:37:26 <Steven> Erik: I will check that these functions are ccompatible with the ones in XPath 2
15:37:30 <Steven> s/cc/c/
15:37:51 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to confirm that min() and max() are compatible with the ones in XPath 2
15:37:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2018 - Confirm that min() and max() are compatible with the ones in xpath 2 [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-04-01].
15:38:20 <Steven> Steven: 4.2.6, power()
15:39:26 <Steven> Steven: I would like to see explicit wording that the power can be fractional (and negative)
15:40:46 <Steven> Erik: XPath 2 doesn't have it, but XForms 1.1 does.
15:43:59 <Steven> Erik: Not sure if we explicitely need to convert the values to numeric
15:44:23 <Steven> ... not sure why Numeric is used instead of double.
15:44:36 <Steven> s/double/Double/
15:45:07 <Steven> Erik: also the function signature says it returns Integer, which is wrong.
15:45:31 <Steven> ... it should return Numeric. But we should say more.
15:45:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:46:00 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to fix up the definition of power()
15:46:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2019 - Fix up the definition of power() [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-04-01].
15:46:34 <Steven> Steven: Section 4.3.2
15:46:44 <Steven> s/2/2 property()
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15:47:11 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_property.28.29_Function
15:47:28 <Steven> Steven: It says that version returns 1.1
15:47:43 <Steven> ... surely that must be 2
15:47:48 <Steven> ... or 2.0
15:48:32 <Steven> Erik: Following XPath it should be 2.0
15:49:15 <Steven> Steven: Section 4.3.6 serialize()
15:49:34 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_serialize.28.29_Function
15:50:03 <Steven> "If the xforms:json or xforms:csv method is specified and serialization fails, a dynamic error is raised."
15:50:18 <Steven> Steven: What does that mean?
15:50:56 <Steven> Erik: That is an XPath methodology. So it probably comes from there.
15:51:06 <Steven> ... I think we have something in the main spec
15:55:04 <Steven> Steven: I'm not sure if it can even fail.
15:55:16 <Steven> Erik: If it can, then we can raise a specific error
15:56:28 <Steven> Alain: I think serialization to JSON and CSV can fail, so we need to specify that.
15:56:34 <Steven> Steven: Then that needs to be added.
15:56:53 <Steven> ... which may imply needing a new error event
15:57:17 <Steven> Erik: Don;t kow if we want to raise events during XPath evaluuation
15:57:22 <Steven> Steven: Ah, ok
15:57:48 <Steven> s/;/'/
15:57:52 <Steven> s/kow/know/
15:58:13 <Steven> Erik: We need a way to catch errors that happen in an XPath expression
16:00:10 <Steven> Alain: I'll post an example of a serialisation that fails
16:00:33 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to propose what to do if serialization in serialize() fails
16:00:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2020 - Propose what to do if serialization in serialize() fails [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-04-01].
16:00:47 <Steven> Topic: AOB
16:00:57 <Steven> Steven: Next week the rest of this spec
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