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15:01:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
15:01:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:06 <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2015
15:01:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM already started
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15:02:40 <Zakim> +ericP
15:03:53 <dbooth> Agenda: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
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15:04:50 <Zakim> +Pknapp
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15:06:10 <dbooth> Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meetings
15:06:21 <dbooth> Last week's minutes: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150317
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15:07:01 <dbooth> RESOLVED: Minutes of Mar 17 approved!
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15:07:18 <dbooth> zakim, aaaa is marc
15:07:18 <Zakim> +marc; got it
15:08:04 <Zakim> +PeterHendler
15:08:17 <dbooth> Topic; FHIR RDF and Validation/Translation Task force
15:08:29 <dbooth> TF notes: http://www.w3.org/2015/03/18-hcls-minutes.html
15:10:05 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Reviewed some toold to generate FHIR ontology
15:10:23 <dbooth> s/toold/tools/
15:10:49 <Zakim> + +1.301.796.aabb
15:11:18 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> still reporting: leverage the XML Schemas in mapping back from RDF to XML to get the correct sequences
15:12:49 <dbooth> zakim, aabb is Armando
15:12:49 <Zakim> +Armando; got it
15:13:03 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:13:05 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> the task force looked also on some previous work on parser of the structure and schema/hierarchy
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15:13:33 <dbooth> http://hl7-fhir.github.io/elementdefinition.html#tabs-ElementDefinition-struc
15:13:34 <Zakim> +Ingeborg
15:13:56 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dboth: following action point of what this page means
15:14:01 <Zakim> +claude
15:14:04 <dbooth> s/dboth/dbooth/
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15:14:33 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:14:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, dbooth, ericP, rhausam, Pknapp, marc, PeterHendler, Armando, Kerstin_Forsberg, Ingeborg, claude
15:14:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Armando_Oliva, Ingeborg, pknapp, Marc_Twagirumukiza, rhausam, RRSAgent, dbooth, Tony, TallTed, Zakim, ericP, cloudcell_, trackbot
15:14:45 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> ericP: The page define some hierarchy / resources
15:15:02 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> the question is if this page contains something we can use
15:16:05 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: The next topic:
15:16:06 <dbooth> Topic: Upcoming HL7 Meeting  - Paris
15:16:15 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Coming the HL7 meeting in paris
15:16:21 <dbooth> http://www.hl7.org/events/wgm052015/
15:16:30 <dbooth> Who can attend?
15:16:32 <dbooth> Claude
15:16:33 <dbooth> Rob
15:16:41 <dbooth> EricP
15:16:45 <dbooth> Paul
15:16:46 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> I will not be able to attend , sorry
15:17:07 <Tony> I will not be able to attend
15:17:31 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> attendance: Claude, Rob, ErirP, Paul --- Not attending: Marc, David
15:17:46 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> But David can attend remotelly
15:18:04 <dbooth> Paul: ITS quarter is available for discussion
15:19:30 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: If there will be a ITS call it will be late in the day
15:20:12 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: Which day >> To Paul
15:21:12 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: There are Q3 and Q4 scheduled on Tuesday
15:21:35 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: look where you can manage and anyone else can join
15:22:03 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: what was experience last time,
15:22:28 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Ingeborg: small problems with bandwith, etc
15:23:58 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: The most likely it will be Monday Q4
15:24:22 <dbooth> ACTION: Paul to decide on ITS meeting slot for RDF group
15:24:22 <trackbot> Error finding 'Paul'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
15:24:45 <dbooth> Topic: Potential RDF Mapping Strategies
15:24:55 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=FHIR_RDF_Mapping_-_Potential_Strategies
15:25:26 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Next Topic: Mapping strategies
15:25:31 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=FHIR_RDF_Mapping_-_Potential_Strategies
15:25:59 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: Do we have different strategies already
15:26:18 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> The 3 strategies so far:
15:26:40 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> 1-use with ShEx
15:26:50 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> 2- Using JSON-LD
15:27:18 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> 3- using JSON-LD but having 2 styles
15:27:33 <Zakim> -Pknapp
15:28:04 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: The difference of the 1 and the other 2 is the use of the @context
15:29:10 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: In previous meeting we agreed that there will be parallel exploration betwwen JSON-LD and RDF
15:29:38 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: JSON-LD is not RDF
15:30:07 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: Looking on requirement 14
15:30:42 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: We discussed to do a parallel exploration
15:31:39 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: we should focus on the formats which are supported
15:32:21 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> <>: Why we cannot support both?
15:33:05 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: the RDF XML is the most supported serialisation
15:33:36 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: We should rise the issue: what seriariazation to use
15:33:49 <dbooth> ISSUE: What serializations should we specify?
15:33:49 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-4 - What serializations should we specify?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/issues/4/edit>.
15:34:13 <Zakim> +Pknapp
15:34:44 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Marc: The RDF/XML is not digestible maybe we need to use the most human readable
15:35:23 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: why do we need to choose an RDF serialization?
15:36:08 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> correct: not <why> but <what>
15:36:25 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: a subset of serialization
15:37:37 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: if we go in RDF road the format will be already fixed
15:38:15 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: We will use existing serialization we will not develop a serialization
15:38:15 <dbooth> dbooth: If the FHIR group adopts a third serialization, then we need to specify what that is
15:38:41 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: JSON-LD can be used but there's no plug-in yet
15:38:55 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: I think we need to develop it first
15:39:21 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: There JSON-LD implementation from W3C
15:41:12 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: so far we have followed the parallel ways and the target is to converge on single approach
15:41:25 <dbooth> Requirements are here: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=FHIR_Ontology_Requirements#14._RDF_Quality
15:42:03 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: It must be something which can be imported into progege or something else
15:43:07 <dbooth> "(MUST) Transformations into RDF must meet software quality checks including ontological closure. The RDF instance which is transformed from FHIR XML or FHIR JSON must be capable of being opened without further modification by widely available tools including Protégé and the RDF must meet quality checks including successful closure of graphs - all the links are understood by the tool."
15:43:10 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> <>: No big reason to have several
15:43:25 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: probably we are reading the requirement 14 differently
15:45:16 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth:if we use JSON-LD that RDF will not be transmitted on wire
15:46:17 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: What is transmitted on the wire should be the one translated
15:47:42 <dbooth> s/RDF/RDF serialization/
15:48:08 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: I believed that RDF will be exchanged on wire
15:48:26 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth:The JSON-LD is also RDF
15:49:29 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: there's no absolute to do another serialization if we use JSAON-LD
15:49:55 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> correct: JSON-LD not JSAON-LD
15:51:17 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: If JSON-LD is used there will be no further serialization/transformation
15:51:41 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> <>: cliet side or FHIR side?
15:52:06 <dbooth> s/<>/Claude/
15:52:11 <dbooth> s/cliet/client/
15:52:11 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> <>: client side or FHIR side?
15:52:40 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: The server
15:54:43 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
15:55:29 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: we would have different documentation of which format/serialization we use
15:56:47 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: You do not really need transformation mechanism at application side
15:58:06 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Paul: the life would easier if you design your application to be based on the FHIR structure
15:58:27 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: There's a coupling between RDF and transports
15:58:43 <dbooth> q+
15:59:09 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Tony: using URIs is a must
16:01:41 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: this a different concern
16:01:50 <dbooth> dbooth: Question is whether it is important to our goals to have an RDF *serialization* transmitted on the wire (or available directly from a file)?
16:01:57 <Zakim> -Pknapp
16:03:15 <dbooth> Topic: ONC comment on stable URIs (due Friday April 3)
16:03:17 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: we are running out of time, let's come back on them next week
16:03:57 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dbooth: before we leave we need to make a comment on "ONC comment on stable URIs"
16:04:19 <dbooth>  Draft document URL (in two parts to prevent spam): https://docs.google.com/ document/d/1KPP5hiXCHsDovEd_68JjTHzlPEP3sLDzzMV6bzEt-Ok/edit?usp=sharing
16:04:48 <Zakim> -claude
16:04:50 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> dooth: Anyone can collaborate on this google doc
16:05:00 <Zakim> -Ingeborg
16:05:01 <Zakim> -Tony
16:05:04 <Zakim> -ericP
16:05:07 <Zakim> -marc
16:05:08 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
16:05:17 <Zakim> -rhausam
16:05:19 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
16:05:20 <Zakim> -Armando
16:05:22 <Zakim> -PeterHendler
16:05:33 <Zakim> -dbooth
16:05:34 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:05:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Tony, dbooth, ericP, rhausam, Pknapp, +1.323.444.aaaa, marc, PeterHendler, +1.301.796.aabb, Armando, Kerstin_Forsberg, Ingeborg, claude
16:06:18 <dbooth> zakim, who was here?
16:06:18 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dbooth.
16:06:28 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:06:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/24-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:10:59 <dbooth> Present: Present: David_Booth EricP Rob_Hausam Paul_Knapp Marc_Twagirumukiza Peter_Hendler Armando_Oliva Kerstin_Forsberg Ingeborg Claude_Nanjo
16:11:02 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:11:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/24-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:11:40 <dbooth> s/Topic;/Topic:/
16:11:44 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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