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17:03:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
17:03:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM already started
17:03:35 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
17:03:35 <trackbot> Date: 19 March 2015
17:03:51 <Jan> Jan has joined #ua
17:04:02 <Jan> zakim, code?
17:04:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
17:04:20 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:04:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:05:01 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
17:05:01 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
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17:06:57 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
17:08:32 <Jan> Scribe: Jan
17:08:43 <Jan> Topic: TPAC F2F in Japan
17:09:00 <Kim> Kim has joined #ua
17:09:07 <Jan> Resolution: The UAWG group will not be attending the TPAC in Japan in Oct 2015
17:09:33 <jeanne> action: jeanne to remind Jim to complete the TPAC chairs survey
17:09:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1075 - Remind jim to complete the tpac chairs survey [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-03-26].
17:11:03 <Jan> Topic: Exit Criteria
17:11:03 <jeanne> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0050.html
17:11:23 <Jan> JS: This is the latest exit criteria draft
17:11:33 <Jan> JS: Jeanne and Judy met with designate
17:11:45 <Jan> JS: He encouraged us to keep the exit criteria simple
17:11:57 <Jan> JS: But also he suggested we should put some more things in
17:12:17 <Jan> JS: Need to explain the vertical stack clearly, that we are going to be using extensions
17:12:31 <Jan> JS: That wording was removed during simplification
17:12:52 <Jan> JS: We should look at CSS wording for how to do independent UI implementations
17:13:17 <Jan> JS: We don't need to write anything in about rendering engines
17:13:42 <Jan> JS: He agreed we are mostly testing the user interface
17:14:03 <Jan> JS: I explained our issue that we don't know what's in what part of the browser
17:14:43 <Jan> JS: He agreed that there are more than one way of doing it, its potentially proprietary so can't be part of exit criteria
17:14:58 <Jan> JS: He did say UIs have to be diffferent
17:15:16 <Jan> JS: e.g. identical pages for alt text....would not be ok
17:15:53 <Jan> JS: Bottom line...don't cheat about it... but complicated wording is not necessary
17:16:18 <Jan> JS: Major thing he said we need to do is continue with implementations and come up with definitive at risk
17:16:44 <Jan> JS: He said HTML5 had 14 items at tisk, which is more than I thought allowed
17:17:15 <Jan> JS: For some of our AAA, he also suggested being creative and calling certain SCs informative
17:17:34 <Jan> JS: Also make sure all definitions of user agents include extensions and plugins
17:18:42 <Jan> Topic: Charters
17:19:09 <Jan> JS: Reminds everyone with connections at member companies to remind them to approve our charter
17:23:17 <Jan> Topic: Next steps
17:23:28 <Jan> JS: 1. Figure our implementations
17:23:35 <Jan> JS: 2. Make a list of at-risk items
17:23:53 <Jan> JS: 3. Formalize exit criteria
17:24:00 <Jan> JS: Then we can go to CR
17:24:30 <Jan> JS: Judy thinks the ATAG test harness can be brought over to UAAG
17:24:51 <Jan> JS: If we push, we can finish this year
17:43:37 <Jan> https://vivaldi.com/
17:45:41 <Jan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_%28browser%29
17:49:12 <jeanne> Blank form for the UAAG Implementations. We need to consolidate all our testing information here.
17:49:13 <jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/desktop.html
17:50:00 <jeanne> Overview page -> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/index.html
17:56:37 <jeanne> https://github.com/w3c/UAAG-Implementations/
18:15:13 <jeanne> Topic: review github procedures for those unfamiliar with them
18:19:08 <Zakim> -Jan
18:20:29 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:20:31 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:20:33 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:20:33 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:20:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Jan, Greg_Lowney
18:21:02 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:21:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-ua-minutes.html jeanne
18:21:15 <jeanne> regrets+ Jim
18:38:41 <jeanne> chair: jeanne
18:39:06 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:39:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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