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13:52:56 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
13:52:56 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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13:53:16 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
13:53:16 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/03/11-agenda
13:53:16 <Norm> Date: 11 March 2015
13:53:16 <Norm> Meeting: 266
13:53:17 <Norm> Chair: Norm
13:53:19 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
13:53:21 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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13:58:09 <Norm> zakim, passcode
13:58:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', Norm
13:58:11 <Norm> zakim, passcode?
13:58:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
13:58:19 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has now started
13:58:26 <Zakim> +Norm
14:00:30 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
14:01:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:28 <jfuller> thats me (Jim)
14:01:36 <jfuller> having probs with my audio
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Murray
14:02:58 <Norm> zakim, ipcaller is jfuller
14:02:58 <Zakim> +jfuller; got it
14:03:14 <jfuller> I can hear ... my audio is fracked
14:04:27 <Norm> Well, if we don't get Henry...
14:05:01 <jfuller> likewise!
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14:06:54 <Norm> Present: Norm, Henry, Alex, Jim (half duplex :-) )
14:06:56 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:06:56 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/03/11-agenda
14:07:01 <Norm> Accepted.
14:07:05 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:07:05 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/02/25-minutes
14:07:09 <Norm> Accepted.
14:07:13 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting
14:07:30 <Norm> Any regrets for 18 Mar?
14:07:36 <Norm> None heard.
14:07:58 <jfuller> still working on A-265-02
14:08:02 <Norm> Topic: Content type on p:load, issue 145?
14:08:31 <Norm> Norm: I think this is just an oversight. Anyone disagree?
14:09:35 <Norm> Alex: It would be a kind of overload.
14:09:56 <Norm> Norm: This is really about making p:load handle non-XML documents.
14:10:31 <Norm> Norm: I'll update the issue.
14:10:34 <jfuller> what does p:load do with multipart ?
14:11:14 <Norm> Norm: I'll add multipart to the issue as well.
14:11:28 <Norm> Alex: We should look at this in light of p:http-request so that they're in line with each other.
14:11:38 <jfuller> is the result port explicitly a single document ?
14:11:48 <jfuller> as in not a sequence
14:12:32 <Norm> Norm: It could (should) be a sort of short-cut for a simpler p:http-request with only a GET and handling file: etc.
14:12:50 <Norm> Alex: Yes.
14:13:10 <jfuller> part of https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/148 we are avoiding discussing today
14:13:18 <jfuller> suggests some enhancements to p:load
14:13:28 <jfuller> (will feed via that issue)
14:13:31 <Norm> Ok. We can talk about that when you have audio :-)
14:13:37 <jfuller> +1
14:13:55 <Norm> Topic: Content type of p:inline issue 144?
14:14:10 <Norm> Norm: I guess this is really about inlining non-XML
14:14:34 <Norm> Norm: You could have a JSON blob inline or something.
14:14:49 <Norm> Alex: We should consider a number of use cases, things that have text encodings: JSON, SPARQL, etc.
14:15:04 <Norm> ...It would also be good to be able to inline data. Small images, etc.
14:15:17 <Norm> Norm: I think we'd have to have some base64 encoding trick.
14:16:06 <Norm> Norm: So p:inline should be sort of like p:load with the data just inline, maybe encoded.
14:17:11 <jfuller> is content-type equal to setting content-type document property - if so do we want a more general mechanism for setting property types (consider can of worms opened on that one)
14:17:24 <Norm> We already have an issue on that, I think.
14:17:26 <jfuller> s/types/values/
14:17:45 <Norm> Norm mutters something about encoding non-XML, non-text formats
14:17:58 <Norm> Alex: That might be true today but we should consider other image formats for example that might be text.
14:18:22 <jfuller> I will take that
14:18:45 <Norm> Topic: Clarify the concept of "URI appearing in an option value, issue 143.
14:19:15 <jfuller> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/143
14:19:31 <Norm> Norm: I think this is interesting. I think this means we have to specify the type of some attributes as xs:anyURI so that the processor knows which ones are URIs.
14:19:45 <Norm> Alex: Yes.
14:20:36 <Norm> Topic: Reading document properties in a step-evaluated XPath issue 138?
14:20:52 <Norm> Norm explains the background.
14:21:00 <jfuller> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/138
14:22:16 <Norm> Norm: I'm not sure this makes any sense, really. Most of the p:* functions don't make any sense outside the context of the processor.
14:22:30 <jfuller> On 2nd read I think our status quo is ok and we close this issue
14:24:13 <jfuller> can't p:filter be used to achieve this logic ? confused
14:24:15 <Norm> Norm: I just think we have to stick with the status quo.
14:25:16 <Norm> Alex: It seems like a limitation we should think harder about.
14:26:03 <Norm> Norm: I think absent a proposal that describes how we could do this in a practical way, we're not going to be able to.
14:27:10 <Norm> Alex: I think the right way would be to put those functions into the steps. But that would be a burden on implementors.
14:27:46 <Norm> ...Where in our current vocabulary does this occur?
14:29:32 <Norm> ...I think we need to think hard about the burden on implementors but the right answer for users is to say that the same functions are available everywhere.
14:30:51 <Norm> ...We should update the issue.
14:31:24 <Norm> ACTION: A-266-01 Alex to update issue 138 with an outline of what needs to be covered by a proposal to make the functions more broadly available
14:31:51 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:32:11 <Norm> None heard
14:32:24 <jfuller> thanks, I will spend time left fleshing out my actions
14:32:26 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:32:34 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:32:36 <jfuller> bye
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14:32:45 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
14:32:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, Alex_Milows, Murray, jfuller
14:32:47 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:32:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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