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08:56:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
08:56:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
08:56:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
08:56:38 <trackbot> Date: 10 March 2015
08:56:47 <dsr> zakim, this will be 9681
08:56:47 <Zakim> ok, dsr; I see UW_WOTIG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
08:57:24 <dsr> chair: Joerg Heuer
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08:57:50 <dret> zakim, ipcaller is me
08:57:50 <Zakim> +dret; got it
08:57:53 <Zakim> +jheuer
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08:58:39 <dsr> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Mar/0021.html
08:58:40 <tuslaender> present+ Thomas Usländer, Fraunhofer IOSB, Germany
08:59:05 <dsr> present+ Dave Raggett
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08:59:42 <dret> present+ Erik Wilde
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09:00:17 <jhund> present+ Johnnes_Hund
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09:01:57 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
09:01:57 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
09:01:58 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
09:02:00 <Zakim> +??P5
09:02:06 <DanhLePhuoc> Zakim, aabb is me
09:02:06 <Zakim> +DanhLePhuoc; got it
09:02:17 <defnordic> Zakim, ??P5 is me
09:02:17 <Zakim> +defnordic; got it
09:02:24 <dret> i can do the first 30min
09:02:33 <Zakim> +??P8
09:02:38 <dret> who's doing the second 30min?
09:02:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
09:02:44 <defnordic> I can pick up after that
09:02:52 <dsr> scribenick: dret
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09:02:56 <dret> great, thanks!
09:03:12 <flosal> present+ Florian Salmhofer, Joanneum Research
09:03:35 <dret> Joerg explaining the agenda
09:03:49 <dret> nobody asking for any additions to the agenda.
09:04:24 <dret> Joerg explaining work on the use case document
09:04:25 <Zakim> + +8821aaee
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09:04:45 <DanhLePhuoc> present+ Danh Le Phuoc
09:04:45 <dret> dsr giving a short intro of the taxonomy
09:05:16 <dret> taxonomy is based on initial brainstroming, please everybody look at it and make suggestions for additions/improvements
09:05:43 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
09:05:45 <dret> starting from the application domains, start collecting use cases across all of them
09:05:46 <kaz> present+ kaz
09:05:53 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
09:06:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:06:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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09:06:54 <dret> starting with a short story, followed by a more technical description, which can be based on more than one application domain
09:07:18 <dret> zakim, who is making noise?
09:07:35 <Zakim> dret, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: jheuer (59%)
09:07:56 <dsr> taxonomy and links to use cases in wiki https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Use_cases_across_application_domains
09:08:26 <dret> joerg explains that we want to see use cases than span across application domains
09:08:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
09:08:52 <dret> collecting use cases is important so that we have good coverage of the application areas
09:09:16 <dret> is that you, johannes?
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09:09:26 <dret> you were muted.
09:10:12 <dret> jhund asks if anybody has a domain that is not covered in the taxonomy: do we have white spots?
09:10:32 <dret> tuslaender points out that the health domain is missing
09:11:06 <dret> jhund points to subtopics, but tuslaender things that more coverage would be better
09:11:18 <DanhLePhuoc> +q
09:11:29 <jhund> ack DanhLePhuoc
09:11:33 <Zakim> - +8821aaee
09:11:45 <Zakim> -dret
09:11:57 <dret> dsr asks tuslaender about submitting a use case, and he agrees to do that.
09:11:59 <DanhLePhuoc> +q
09:11:59 <Zakim> + +8821aaff
09:12:13 <jhund> ack DanhLePhuoc
09:12:16 <dsr> Suggestion for use case on early detection of epidemics, e.g. cholera
09:12:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aaa]
09:12:30 <dret> zakim, ipcaller.aaa is me
09:12:30 <Zakim> +dret; got it
09:12:40 <dret> sorry, i dropped...
09:12:47 <JonathanDing_> zakim, 8821aaff is me
09:12:47 <Zakim> sorry, JonathanDing_, I do not recognize a party named '8821aaff'
09:13:10 <dret> cannot quite understand DanhLePhuoc's comment...
09:13:40 <dret> "search" as a domain is mentioned by joerg.
09:13:42 <dsr> He suggests that search engines and discovery is important for web of things
09:13:52 <dret> thanks, dsr!
09:14:32 <jhund> q?
09:15:37 <kaz> zakim, mute me
09:15:37 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
09:15:50 <Zakim> - +8821aaff
09:16:08 <Zakim> + +8821aagg
09:16:19 <JonathanDing_> zakim, +8821aagg is me
09:16:19 <Zakim> +JonathanDing_; got it
09:17:01 <dret> agriculture is identified as missing by jhund(?) do we have experts on the call or in the group?
09:17:57 <dret> any suggestions for outreach how to find experts in areas that we have no coverage for?
09:18:29 <dret> dsr says that we should probably assign actions for identifying and involving experts from new areas.
09:18:48 <kaz> q+
09:18:52 <dret> we should have a wiki page for identifying these areas. jhund, is that part of your action as well?
09:19:05 <DanhLePhuoc> +1 for assigning a moderator for each UC domain
09:19:08 <kaz> ack k
09:19:08 <jhund>  yes, dret.
09:19:19 <dret> jhund agrees to create the wiki page and look for agriculture experts.
09:19:42 <dsr> action: thomas to look for agriculture experts to advise of taxonomy and use cases
09:19:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Look for agriculture experts to advise of taxonomy and use cases [on Thomas Usländer - due 2015-03-17].
09:19:48 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/agri/ agriculture cg
09:19:52 <kaz> zakim, mute me
09:19:52 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
09:20:35 <dret> maybe ACTION-2 should be moved from thomas to jhund?
09:20:40 <jhund> sorry dsr, that action was on me  (or so i fear)
09:21:41 <dret> joerg points out that we have only 2 months to create a good foundation for our use case collection
09:22:19 <jhund> action: me to set up expert outreach section and seek expert for agriculture domain
09:22:19 <trackbot> Error finding 'me'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/track/users>.
09:22:32 <jhund> action: jhund to set up expert outreach section and seek expert for agriculture domain
09:22:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Set up expert outreach section and seek expert for agriculture domain [on Johannes Hund - due 2015-03-17].
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09:23:52 <dret> ask yourself: what is user motivation? how does it translate to a technical description? how does it relate to other domains? what interaction patterns with or between things can we observe? what is *not* part of the use case?
09:24:56 <dret> work item for all IG members: please focus on these questions and look at the things we have already collected.
09:24:56 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
09:26:00 <tuslaender> q+
09:26:11 <jhund> ack tuslaender
09:26:33 <dsr> trackbot, close action-2
09:26:33 <trackbot> Closed action-2.
09:26:49 <Zakim> -dret
09:26:55 <flosal> tuslaender says the technical requirements should be looked at, and should encompass a list of services for the use case, to classify the services required in the IoT, how to map them to existing services in the internet and applciation domains
09:27:01 <dret> tuslaender suggests that we should look at the template that was provided
09:27:01 <dret> it has one important element in there which is... (call dropped again... sorry, could somebody else scribe from here on? thanks!)
09:27:49 <flosal> johannes asks what "requirements" are in that context. interaction opatterns, atomic or elementary use cases, have been mentioned. need to define the most basic thing to happen
09:28:11 <flosal> the nature of "requirements" should be further defined
09:28:48 <flosal> tuslaender gives an example of searching for information, where the metadata has to be standardized
09:29:08 <flosal> if you request a sensor to pick up data/images/video, you need a "sensor actuation service" or similar
09:30:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
09:30:18 <flosal> in search engines you could have types to choose from, metadata categories, catalogue services
09:30:27 <dret> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
09:30:27 <Zakim> +dret; got it
09:30:31 <flosal> this would require a more rigid structure of metadata
09:30:54 <dret> thanks, flosal++, for taking over.
09:30:56 <flosal> go for universal search engines? or applciation domain specirfic search?
09:31:13 <DanhLePhuoc> +q
09:31:22 <flosal> different solutions for how to achieve what is needed for application
09:31:33 <flosal> dret: nP, just don't know if Im picked up as scribe or w/e
09:32:16 <dsr> scribenick: flosal
09:32:47 <flosal> out of domain specific use cases, generic issues /UC have to be defined, which can be mapped to technical requirements of the infrastructure. this could be something that doesn't need the application domain experts
09:32:57 <flosal> interaction between domain experts and architects is needed
09:33:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:33:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
09:33:41 <dsr> q+
09:33:47 <dsr> ack Dan
09:34:03 <flosal> data provider have to find a way to provide data, and indexers/search engines extract the metadata. should agree on vocabulary taxonomy to expose sensor data
09:34:31 <DanhLePhuoc> schema.org
09:34:36 <dsr> ack dsr
09:35:02 <kaz> i/tuslaender says/scribenick: flosal/
09:35:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:35:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
09:36:28 <flosal> good discussion topic to have, but seems more about technology landscape discussion, which is planned to follow. whole series of issues of how to encourage people to document new vocabularies and why not using existing ones
09:36:42 <flosal> should come up with use cases that cover didffferent aspects of search&discovery.
09:37:21 <kaz> s/didffferent/different/
09:38:08 <dsr> Dave: good topic but probably for the technology landscape study we want to start once the use case work picks up. Now we would benefit from use cases for metadata
09:38:08 <flosal> DanhLePhuoc suggests hierarchy of design similar to schema.org, extend vocabulary. lot of different domains, maybe volunteer for a subtask to integrate
09:38:54 <flosal> jhund? suggests a further exchange over email on this aspect
09:39:06 <jhund> s/jhund/joerg/
09:39:09 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
09:39:54 <flosal> should clarify what interaction patterns between things can be observed. edit and add in the wiki.
09:40:11 <flosal> another question is, what do the users think is important in that aspect?
09:40:48 <flosal> user might not want to understand the detailled difference in search queries, and more a "free text" input
09:41:13 <flosal> less technical requirement, but more usability focussed - like in home appliances where simplicity in interaction would be preferred
09:41:56 <flosal> have this as a second question after user motivation?
09:42:23 <flosal> johannes mentions that it is important how well the user is acquainted with the action
09:43:20 <flosal> how transparent the whole itneraction with the web of things is to the user
09:43:42 <flosal> dave? says that is part of the story
09:44:43 <flosal> any more updates on the use case writing style?
09:45:01 <jhund> action: joerg to propose a question statement for the user expectation on the use case
09:45:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Propose a question statement for the user expectation on the use case [on Joerg Heuer - due 2015-03-17].
09:45:24 <flosal> enough for everyone to submit one use case in the next weeks?
09:46:04 <flosal> some people already volunteering on use cases, continue this until next week, and compile a list of "maintainers" for the essential parts
09:47:22 <flosal> everyone should try and compile a use case that they are comfortable with and describe it
09:48:12 <flosal> About the F2F meeting in April: from the 20th to 22nd April, Mo - We, a site in Munich tbd
09:48:20 <Zakim> -JonathanDing_
09:48:49 <flosal> directions available, 2-3 hotels suggested to keep the group together
09:49:19 <Zakim> -dret
09:49:49 <flosal> also need to organize the agenda, please send in suggestions, first proposal and structuring this week
09:50:59 <flosal> early start on Mo morning, about 08:30 registration, 09:00 start - details on the wiki, start setting up a page with agenda details, also inviting people for theopen day, especially areas with no expertise ingroup
09:51:11 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
09:51:36 <flosal> topic suggestions for F2F: look at use cases and brainstorming, technical landscape with some technical contributions and looking at the relation with other organisations, what they are working on
09:52:28 <flosal> setting up registration, through the wiki or a regular web form
09:53:03 <dsr> action: dsr to set up registration mechanism for the Munich f2f
09:53:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Set up registration mechanism for the munich f2f [on Dave Raggett - due 2015-03-17].
09:53:22 <flosal> johannes volunteers for checking accessibility constraints if anyone needs special considerations
09:54:58 <flosal> joerg wants to put emphasis again on domain discussions, move forward with proposals for volunteering for use cases, also indicate willingness about sharing insights into domains, previous projects
09:55:14 <JonathanJ1> Can we have a demo session in F2F meeting ?
09:55:53 <flosal> maybe put up a table on the wiki with an overview who is doing what, easier to track who is contributing to whcih ara
09:56:29 <flosal> a demo session is seen as a good idea for F2F
09:57:14 <JonathanJ1> if demo session is possible, I'd like to show you our wot.js project
09:58:04 <flosal> maybe have an agenda point for talking about expertise in domain areas for further telcos
09:59:31 <flosal> again a call on participants to contribute to the wiki page, make sure their interests are represented and contribute their experiences
09:59:47 <flosal> end of session, thx
09:59:50 <dsr> rrsagent, make minutes
09:59:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/10-wot-minutes.html dsr
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09:59:55 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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10:00:10 <Zakim> -defnordic
10:00:12 <jhund> thanks to the scribes
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10:00:43 <JonathanJ1> thanks
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10:01:14 <flosal> I still don't know people by voice, so I just didn't put names unless I was reasonably sure, hope it is legible
10:01:46 <dsr> zakim, drop dsr
10:01:46 <Zakim> Dsr is being disconnected
10:01:48 <Zakim> UW_WOTIG()5:00AM has ended
10:01:48 <Zakim> Attendees were dret, jheuer, [IPcaller], +47.23.69.aaaa, Dsr, +35385740aabb, +46.7.03.79.aacc, +49.721.6.aadd, Kazuyuki, DanhLePhuoc, defnordic, +8821aaee, +8821aaff, JonathanDing_
10:02:22 <tuslaender> and tuslaender
10:02:49 <tuslaender> present- tuslaender
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