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14:47:00 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
14:47:00 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
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15:05:15 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:05:15 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
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15:07:44 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Tim Boland,John Rochford,  Anthony Doran,Chaohai Ding,   Debra Ruh,   Neil Milliken
15:24:55 <Lisa_Seeman> Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:24:57 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:24:58 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, actions, and current work
15:25:00 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of techniques
15:25:01 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  schedules
15:25:03 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+   citations
15:25:04 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  user research comments.
15:25:06 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:53:24 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:53:30 <Zakim> + +1.718.618.aaaa
15:53:42 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is me
15:53:43 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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16:00:48 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane
16:00:48 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
16:04:47 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:07:51 <Susann_Keohane> who is speaking to Lisa
16:08:26 <janina> zakim, call janina-mobile
16:08:26 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:08:28 <Zakim> +Janina
16:08:54 <janina> zakim, mute me
16:08:54 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
16:09:19 <Zakim> -Janina
16:10:01 <janina> zakim, call janina-mobile
16:10:01 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:10:02 <Zakim> +Janina
16:10:28 <janina> zakim, mute me
16:10:28 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
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16:13:04 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aacc is ayelet_s
16:13:04 <Zakim> +ayelet_s; got it
16:13:52 <Susann_Keohane> scribe:Susann_Keohane
16:14:15 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:14:29 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: review of deliverables
16:14:47 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: main page is our white board
16:15:10 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: current mandate is gap analysis, roadmap and recommend techniques
16:15:54 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Gap analysis (1) current draft of user research, received comments, and ask for more information as we address them one by one
16:16:31 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: (2) document of proposed techniques and it is currently on github
16:17:03 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: this is more of what are the techniques that people need to be aware of
16:17:59 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: (3) collection of issue papers - these have scope like security, personalization
16:18:44 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Current schedule release of the techniques and issue papers to have them ready for April 1
16:18:58 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: editors draft by April 1
16:19:20 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: these are quite important as we want them realized before the face to face in London
16:20:09 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Next working draft of the USer Research will be targeted after the face to face in April
16:20:26 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:20:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/USer/User/
16:21:16 <MichaelC> ack me
16:21:56 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: review of actions
16:22:16 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
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16:24:05 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:24:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:24:18 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: does anyone want to own any of these open action items
16:25:15 <Mike_Pluke> q+
16:25:28 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Susann targeting this week for Aging techniques
16:26:17 <ea> Neil and I have written most of the Numbers one but it needs polishing - so when he gets back we will finish it.
16:26:20 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: volunteer for ADHD techniques
16:28:13 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Debra Ruh created the first draft of the Down syndrome techniques
16:29:10 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: John rochford is targeting first draft of the autism techniques Friday, March 13.
16:29:10 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:29:18 <Lisa_Seeman> ack mike
16:30:03 <Susann_Keohane> Mike_Pluke: should we focus on dementia vs aging which is a process
16:30:30 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we refer to it as aging cognitive decline
16:31:20 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we want to include more minor disability so they can stay in the workplace
16:31:47 <Susann_Keohane> Mike_Pluke: should Aging/Dementia be separated
16:32:39 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Mike to send his feedback as a comment so it can be captured when the documents are re-org
16:33:21 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:33:44 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Debra Ruh created the first draft of the Down syndrome techniques
16:34:03 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: few comments may be worth mentioning
16:34:53 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: is reading level important important to Down syndrome
16:35:46 <Zakim> -Janina
16:35:56 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: asking for people to put their content into github
16:37:54 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:37:59 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:38:11 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: when developing techniques add techniques that other disability techniques may have not included due to the nature of the techniques
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16:39:09 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:39:13 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Citations
16:39:41 <Zakim> +??P8
16:39:45 <janina> zakim, ??P8 is me
16:39:45 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:39:54 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Ayelet has volunteered to help with the citations
16:40:31 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: JSON script is being used for the citations so it becomes an index
16:40:53 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: each with unique identifier
16:41:11 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: everyone is working on techniques that cites research
16:42:05 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we need to make citations consistent in the techniques
16:43:09 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: W3C citations policy
16:43:12 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#References
16:43:40 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: W3C has it's own format. when you reference you put in [] a handle to it and it much be unique
16:44:18 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: example [HTML] that way all references will have this and the link will reference a section in the document to what that means
16:44:39 <Lisa_Seeman> Take the form: <a href="http://www.example.org/example">Full Name</a> [<a href="#ref-REFNAME">REFNAME</a>]
16:45:23 <Susann_Keohane> yikes phone dropped
16:45:29 <Susann_Keohane> can someone cover until I dial back in
16:45:33 <Lisa_Seeman> will take over
16:45:43 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
16:45:45 <Lisa_Seeman> sribe:lisa_seeman
16:46:02 <Lisa_Seeman> used to be a manual process to maintain it
16:46:09 <Lisa_Seeman> now adays it is a database
16:46:19 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane
16:46:26 <MichaelC> https://github.com/tobie/specref
16:46:29 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Susann_Keohane
16:46:33 <Susann_Keohane> thanks!
16:46:39 <Lisa_Seeman> no prob
16:46:49 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: added keys for use of reference
16:47:10 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: for the specific fields in a citation
16:47:38 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: will put a link to documentation for how that's done
16:47:40 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/respec/guide.html#references
16:48:16 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: to tell the processing script  that it s reference citation ex: [[HTML]]
16:49:06 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: the script will replace that section with the appropriate reference
16:49:10 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/respec/ref.html#localbiblio
16:49:33 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: the final link is describing how to put that into the final documentation
16:50:22 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: should we make a wiki page of citations
16:51:07 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: it's a bit like CSS
16:51:25 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: but their citation which makes it easier for us
16:51:36 <Susann_Keohane> s/their/they're
16:52:15 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: rather doing that in a wiki that we do that in github
16:52:34 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: ultimately we will create a stand alone file for the references
16:52:49 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: ayelet is updating the main document which will get very long
16:53:06 <ea> How do you choose the short name from a journal article - say it is about aphasia and reading difficulties  - [aphasia]  but then you have another journal article that is about aphasia and comprehension?   so you do [comprehension] then you have an article about expression and comprehension difficulties?  sorry have I misunderstood how the short forms in square brackets are generated?
16:53:09 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: it makes sense to move to a stand alone so we have a single shared reference source for all of our documents
16:53:20 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: this will ensure no divergence happens
16:53:41 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: agrees with Lisa but use github instead of wiki
16:53:56 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: they don't need to be a get hub editor
16:54:05 <Susann_Keohane> s/get/git
16:55:21 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: we can teach people how to add references and if it's a problem a person can send it to someone comfortable with github
16:55:49 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:55:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/get hub/github/
16:57:09 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: proposal to make github document everyone can edit
16:57:10 <ea> It is tough Lisa - the problem is that we are not all using technical acronyms within our papers so some of our research papers may have odd [words] in brackets
16:59:02 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: there isn't a restriction on the keyword brackets
16:59:19 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: every reference has a difference keyword
16:59:44 <Susann_Keohane> EA: could be the authors name
17:00:14 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: author name is not unique enough
17:00:30 <Susann_Keohane> EA: it will be difficult to find a keyword
17:01:17 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: as an example aphasia_comprehension, aphasia_reading
17:01:49 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: sheer volume of references may cause complexity and manage them
17:01:52 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:02:38 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: we just need something unique
17:02:55 <ayelet_s> could we use the author's name, underscore, and key word of the article?
17:03:26 <Susann_Keohane> EA: there may be multiple of authors
17:03:44 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
17:04:08 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: will anyone see the unique identifier
17:04:23 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: we can globally find and replace for those who see it
17:04:37 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: authorname_# for now would be fine
17:05:13 <Susann_Keohane> EA: comment offered this suggestion author_keyword_#
17:05:24 <Susann_Keohane> EA: but it may get too long
17:05:36 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: if it's interim solution we can solve it later
17:06:03 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: include the brackets then later we can create better keywords
17:06:14 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: there can be a clean up pass
17:06:32 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: lets agree we are moving to a github page of citation
17:06:45 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: you can do a find on your title before you add it again
17:06:55 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: to make sure people are using unique names
17:07:36 <Susann_Keohane> michaelC: we can't manually maintain references, we have to find a way to make this work
17:08:07 <janina> +1
17:08:13 <ea> +1
17:08:20 <Susann_Keohane> +1
17:08:33 <Susann_Keohane> RESOLUTION: move reference to github
17:08:36 <ayelet_s> +1
17:09:43 <Lisa_Seeman> resolution: one page in github for all our json refrences with all our short names
17:10:01 <Zakim> -ayelet_s
17:10:21 <Lisa_Seeman> action lisa to list and main page how to do refrences
17:10:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - List and main page how to do refrences [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-03-16].
17:11:12 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: please register to face to face
17:11:40 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: informal chat on techniques to be scheduled tomorrow or next
17:11:52 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, make logs public
17:12:05 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:12:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/09-coga-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
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17:12:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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17:12:18 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
17:12:52 <Zakim> -janina
17:12:53 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has ended
17:12:53 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.718.618.aaaa, Lisa_Seeman, +1.512.445.aabb, Susann_Keohane, Janina, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Mary_Jo_Mueller, +972.5.467.5aacc, Michael_Cooper, ayelet_s, [IPcaller]
17:13:09 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, please part
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17:13:16 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, please part
17:13:16 <RRSAgent> I see no action items