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14:39:42 <schuki> Zakim: this is webmob
14:42:14 <schuki> Zakim: what conferences do you see?
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14:42:42 <schuki> Zakim: list conferences
14:42:53 <schuki> wha????
14:43:09 <schuki> Zakim isn't listening to me
14:50:57 <chaals> zakim, list conferences
14:50:57 <Zakim> I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
14:50:58 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are IA_Fonts()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, MWI_WBMB()10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM, DATA_CSVWG()10:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM
14:51:07 <chaals> zakim, listen to schuki.
14:51:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'listen to schuki', chaals
14:51:26 <schuki> chaals: :D
14:51:29 <schuki> thanks!
14:51:31 <chaals> zakim, Schuki.
14:51:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Schuki', chaals
14:51:46 <schuki> Zakim: list teleconferences
14:51:49 <schuki> weird
14:51:56 <schuki> Zakim: hates me ;.;
14:52:01 <chaals> zakim, list teleconferences
14:52:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list teleconferences', chaals
14:52:11 <chaals> zakim, list conferences
14:52:11 <Zakim> I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
14:52:12 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are IA_Fonts()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, MWI_WBMB()10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM, DATA_CSVWG()10:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM
14:52:25 <chaals> zakim, why you would listen to schuki
14:52:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'why you would listen to schuki', chaals
14:53:27 <schuki> this is very odd, chaals would you mind telling Zakim "this is webmob?"
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15:00:51 <schuki> hey guys, just dialing in!
15:02:11 <chaals> zakim, this is webmob
15:02:11 <Zakim> ok, chaals; that matches MWI_WBMB()10:00AM
15:02:22 <schuki> ah thanks chaals!!!
15:02:27 <chaals> zakim, schuki is a nice person really
15:02:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'schuki is a nice person really', chaals
15:02:31 <schuki> lol!
15:02:45 <Zakim> + +1.813.421.aaaa
15:02:46 <Zakim> + +1.717.553.aabb
15:02:48 <chaals> zakim, why, you should be nice to shucki
15:02:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'why, you should be nice to shucki', chaals
15:03:09 <Zakim> +??P29
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15:03:54 <dka> q?
15:04:21 <Zakim> +DanSun
15:04:37 <schuki> we'll get started
15:04:50 <schuki> some callers, many missing, so i'll type notes and send it round!
15:05:24 <Zakim> +??P3
15:05:49 <schuki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2015Feb/0014.html
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15:06:41 <dka> Scribe: Dan
15:06:44 <dka> ScribeNick: DKA
15:06:48 <schuki> topic: New conference call times going forward
15:06:52 <dka> Chair: Natasha
15:07:47 <dka> Natasha: we did a doodle poll. I think wed at 3pm UTC is a good time. We’re missing people though - they have conflcits. So we have a new doodle. We got the most hits for Monday at 4pm UTC. So we’ll do that for now on.
15:07:56 <schuki> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Meetings#2015_Meetings
15:08:02 <dka> … that should be reflected in the meeting page.
15:08:12 <dka> … also in the iCal feed.
15:08:33 <dka> iCal feed: http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/teleconferences.ics
15:09:11 <schuki> topic: Networking Task Force
15:09:56 <schuki> https://github.com/Data-Info-API/Architecture/blob/master/use-cases.md
15:10:09 <schuki> https://github.com/Data-Info-API/Architecture
15:11:00 <dka> We’re working on developing a prototype with Kevin from Telefónica.
15:11:18 <dka> Natasha: hopefully something within the next couple of weeks.
15:11:25 <dka> … would like to see some comments on this.
15:11:31 <dka> … legal issues, use cases, etc...
15:12:06 <dka> https://github.com/Data-Info-API/Architecture/issues
15:12:26 <schuki> dka: yes please do send your input
15:12:29 <Zakim> - +1.813.421.aaaa
15:12:36 <schuki> ... kevin and i had somequestions for this
15:13:39 <schuki> ... we wondered about the use cases and how applicable they are
15:13:53 <schuki> ... we thoughts about the geo location api and how it works by passing data to the browser
15:14:06 <schuki> ... this seems like a similar architecture to what we're doing here
15:14:22 <Zakim> + +1.813.421.aacc
15:14:28 <schuki> dka: we thinking this is howit would work rather than an khr request
15:14:38 <schuki> s/khr/xhr
15:15:34 <dka> Dan: also now thinking about this more like how the geolocation API works - the browser calls a private web api instead of exposing this web api directly to the webapp.
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15:16:03 <dka> Kevin: also some questions about what network operators can and can’t release in real -time. E.g. some of this info is commercially sensitive.
15:16:12 <dka> Natasha: comments would be greatly appreciated.
15:16:55 <dka> … also getting feedback from policy team and privacy team. Interesting to collect those pieces of data - what can and can’t be shared in different locations / countries.
15:17:08 <dka> trackbot, start meeting
15:17:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 306
15:17:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBMOB
15:17:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_WBMB()10:00AM scheduled to start 17 minutes ago
15:17:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference
15:17:13 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2015
15:17:23 <dka> Chair: Natasha
15:17:23 <schuki> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/network-evolution-roadmap
15:17:30 <dka> Scribe: Dan
15:17:34 <dka> Scribenick: dka
15:17:46 <dka> Natasha: the roadmap is looking 3-5 years ahead.
15:18:01 <dka> … we should be able to collect enough info.
15:18:27 <schuki> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/network-evolution-roadmap/blob/master/roadmap.md
15:18:28 <dka> … we’ve se tup the repo. Geary has offered to help.
15:18:40 <dka> … braindumped a bunch of information which I think is relevant.
15:18:53 <dka> … can mobile operators and OEMs please take a look and see if we have issues there?
15:18:56 <gmandyam> Giri Mandyam on the call - hoping to get a first draft of the Network Evolution doc onto GH within the next month
15:19:18 <dka> s//Geary/Gigi
15:19:35 <dka> Natasha: by the end of March is the deadline for this.
15:19:45 <schuki> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/networking-tf-charter/blob/master/charter.md
15:19:53 <dka> Topic: Networking taskforce
15:20:38 <dka> … you will see we have other deliverables as part of this taskforce. We’re only focusing on the dataplan info API and the network evolution roadmap at the moment. If people want the other things to happen [they need to step forward] to do the work.
15:21:19 <schuki> topic: API Gap Task Force
15:21:36 <schuki> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/api-gap-tf-charter/blob/master/charter.md
15:22:02 <dka> Natasha: on the API gap - announcement on the standards for webapps on mobile is complete for Jan.
15:22:11 <schuki> http://www.w3.org/Mobile/mobile-web-app-state/
15:22:39 <dka> Natasha: lots of work here to make sure it’s updated and to release a version every quarter.
15:22:55 <dka> … (by Jedi Dom)
15:23:26 <schuki> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/web-api-gap
15:23:31 <dka> Natasha: new APIs: API gap - we have web API gap repo.
15:24:11 <dka> Natasha: now working on developing that into a document.
15:24:54 <dka> … looking for people to be involved with that work
15:25:12 <dka> … especially we need usage statistics on native and hybrid API [usage]
15:26:06 <schuki> topic: Relevant work occurring in other W3C groups
15:27:15 <dka> Natasha: Payments group. They are documenting use cases & requirements. We’ve done some of this as well and sent them over to the payments CG.
15:27:20 <dka> … they will use these.
15:27:32 <dka> … they are working on a wallet API / payment agent.
15:28:03 <dka> … also web of things group has just started. A sister group. They are looking at web of things use cases.
15:28:11 <dka> Powerful features: http://www.w3.org/TR/powerful-features/
15:28:29 <dka> Natasha: also CSP and mixed content drafts.
15:28:49 <dka> Natasha: will me a tighter security and user experience.
15:29:08 <dka> … more work also happening on service worker. Service worker is on Chrome 40.
15:29:14 <dka> … so open to experimentation.
15:29:22 <dka> … relevant to offline webapp experience.
15:30:02 <dka> Cookbook: http://jakearchibald.com/2014/offline-cookbook/
15:30:36 <schuki> dka: jake made some great service worker code snippets and info
15:31:31 <schuki> dka: also "powerful features" is moving forward, talking about the names of this and what it should be
15:31:32 <schuki> ...
15:32:12 <schuki> ... we had a tag call and we agreed this could be a joint piece of work between the TAG and webappsec
15:32:18 <dka> https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/
15:33:01 <schuki> dka: hope that this will develop into a more normative definition of what a powerful feature is
15:33:33 <schuki> ... and that it can be enforced properly through the tag review and the webappsec group
15:34:52 <dka> Natasha: interesting document. Questions about things should geolocation be more locked down.
15:34:58 <dka> … any other updates?
15:35:27 <dka> … if so please drop a link or email.
15:35:46 <schuki> topic: AOB
15:36:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/25-webmob-minutes.html dka
15:36:22 <gmandyam> q+
15:36:32 <dka> Natasha: something about mobile world congress.
15:36:51 <dka> Natasha: please follow on twitter w3c_webmob
15:37:02 <dka> … i will try to tweet stuff happening there.
15:37:22 <schuki> ack gmandyam
15:37:45 <edent> https://twitter.com/w3c_webmob
15:38:09 <dka> Giri: a comment on the webapp sec document. this work seems to be going on in a vacuum. We agreed at TPAC to put out rquest for comment on requuring secure context for geo - and had very little response (except from Mozilla).
15:41:46 <dka> q+
15:42:10 <dka> ack dka
15:45:34 <dka> Giri: I’m goign to renew that [geo] call and cc other groups.
15:45:57 <dka> Dan: please also CC www-tag@w3.org
15:46:01 <dka> Giri: will do.
15:46:30 <dka> rrsagent, make minutes
15:46:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/25-webmob-minutes.html dka
15:46:56 <dka> Natasha: next talk on the 21st of March.
15:47:00 <dka> Adjourned
15:47:21 <schuki> thanks dka!
15:47:40 <dka> trackbot, end meeting
15:47:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:47:41 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:47:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:47:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/25-webmob-minutes.html trackbot
15:47:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:47:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items