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08:49:20 <dsr> meeting: Web of Things IG
08:49:32 <dsr> chair: Joerg Heuer
08:49:42 <dsr> scribe: Sebastien
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08:51:04 <dsr> scribe: Daniel
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08:51:29 <dsr> scribenick: dape
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08:52:47 <dsr> agenda+ Welcome from Chairs
08:53:03 <dsr> agenda+ Any changes to the agenda
08:53:23 <dsr> agenda+ Domain reports
08:53:37 <dsr> agendum+ IG Contributions
08:53:45 <dsr> agendum+ Logistics of the IG
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08:55:05 <dsr> Present+ Dave_Raggett
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08:56:13 <jhund> present+ Johannes Hund
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08:57:03 <jheuer> Present+ Joerg Heuer
08:57:30 <kerry> present+ Kerry Taylor
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08:58:50 <dape> Present+ Daniel_Peintner
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08:59:18 <dsr> rrsagent, set logs public
08:59:25 <dsr> zakim, call dsr-office
08:59:25 <Zakim> ok, dsr; the call is being made
08:59:40 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
08:59:40 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
08:59:52 <kaz> zakim, mute me
08:59:52 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
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09:01:20 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
09:01:20 <Zakim> UW_WOTIG()4:00AM has not yet started, LJWatson
09:01:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Edoardo, Mohammed, jhund, Arne, Alessandra_Mileo, lbolstad_, Georg, Fraunhofer_FOKUS, kaz, kerry, laurent-oz, Henny_Swan, LJWatson, exv, flosal, RRSAgent, dape, Zakim,
09:01:22 <Zakim> ... dsr, radimzemek, dret, jheuer
09:01:34 <kaz> zakim, this will be wotig
09:01:34 <Zakim> ok, kaz, I see UW_WOTIG()4:00AM already started
09:01:38 <kaz> zakim, mute me
09:01:38 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
09:01:43 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
09:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +49.89.aaaa, +39.348.739.aabb, ??P2, ??P3, ??P4, kerry, ??P6, Dsr, Kazuyuki (muted), [IPcaller], +44.186.533.aacc, [IPcaller.a], +49.303.aadd
09:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Edoardo, Mohammed, jhund, Arne, Alessandra_Mileo, lbolstad_, Georg, Fraunhofer_FOKUS, kaz, kerry, laurent-oz, Henny_Swan, LJWatson, exv, flosal, RRSAgent, dape, Zakim,
09:01:47 <Zakim> ... dsr, radimzemek, dret, jheuer
09:01:47 <Zakim> +dromasca
09:01:55 <Zakim> + +33.6.80.59.aaee
09:01:56 <Alessandra_Mileo> I have issues with phone bridge… is there a web access to the voice conference?
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09:02:58 <dsr> zakim, this is 9681
09:02:58 <Zakim> dsr, this was already UW_WOTIG()4:00AM
09:02:59 <Zakim> ok, dsr; that matches UW_WOTIG()4:00AM
09:03:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
09:03:31 <dret> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me
09:03:31 <Zakim> sorry, dret, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'
09:03:41 <dret> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
09:03:41 <Zakim> +dret; got it
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09:03:56 <Alessandra_Mileo> downloading Xlite :/
09:04:10 <jhund> zakim, +49.89.aaaa is me
09:04:10 <Zakim> +jhund; got it
09:04:16 <dape> TOPIC: Preliminaries, Roll Call
09:04:31 <Zakim> +??P14
09:04:34 <Zakim> + +33.6.03.95.aaff
09:04:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
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09:05:27 <dret> Present+ dret
09:05:36 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
09:05:51 <kaz> present+ kaz
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09:06:39 <dret> thanks, fsasaki!
09:07:07 <dret> present+ Erik Wilde
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09:08:11 <dsr> zakim, take up agendum 1
09:08:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome from Chairs" taken up [from dsr]
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09:08:34 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
09:08:34 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
09:08:38 <dape> JH: Welcome words introducing also the potentials of the WoT activities
09:09:02 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aagg
09:09:12 <Zakim> +??P19
09:10:22 <dape> JH: Workshop showed one finding: It is not only the silos of things but also the silos of peoples background
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09:10:38 <dape> ... uses cases are also very different
09:10:44 <Alessandra_Mileo> I am following the minutes, trying to solve communication problems since I cannot connect/hear
09:10:57 <flosal> present+ florian salmhofer
09:11:15 <dape> ... common ground is important for examples w.r.t. to atomic use cases
09:12:10 <dape> JH: Charter and wiki was already setup by Dave
09:12:35 <dape> JH: Schedule for today is seperated in 3 sections
09:13:01 <dape> ...1. Domain reports
09:13:28 <dape> ... 2. Work of interest group
09:14:11 <dape> ... 3. Logistics (e.g., upcoming F2F, telcos, tooling)
09:14:56 <dape> JH: Dave is W3C team contact
09:15:21 <Zakim> -dret
09:15:27 <dape> DR: Questions on how the group works...  please contact me
09:15:37 <dsr> zakim, next agendum
09:15:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Any changes to the agenda" taken up [from dsr]
09:15:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
09:15:49 <flosal> Zakim, +43.316.876.aagg is me
09:15:49 <Zakim> +flosal; got it
09:15:49 <dape> JH: Any further comments/questions on agenda?
09:15:58 <dret> zakim, IPcaller is me
09:15:58 <Zakim> +dret; got it
09:16:20 <dsr> zakim, next agendum
09:16:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, dsr
09:16:28 <dape> TOPIC: Domain report
09:16:37 <dsr> zakim, take up agendum 3
09:16:37 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Domain reports" taken up [from dsr]
09:17:04 <dape> JH: Summary of WoT workshop
09:17:14 <flosal> who is talking?
09:17:49 <jhund> flosal, Jörg Heuer was talking
09:18:02 <domguinard> we were there representing evrythng and webofthings.org
09:18:09 <dsr> the workshop page: http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/
09:18:22 <flosal> jhund: thx, just wanted to trigger Zakim, but forgot to address it I think
09:18:27 <Zakim> -??P19
09:18:43 <dape> JH: Last summer WoT workshop took place in Berlin
09:18:58 <dsr> workshop report at   http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/report.html
09:19:10 <dape> ... idea was to understand the general discussions... and bring together people
09:19:37 <dape> ... 1. Aspects were given about active domains
09:20:03 <dape> ... 2. Technical details, Security, scripting, ..
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09:20:31 <dape> ... 3. About related standard activities
09:20:36 <Zakim> +??P19
09:21:36 <JonathanJ1> Present+ Jonathan_Jeon
09:21:42 <dape> JH: Outcome: Depends on technical details (domain background) but also on the actual domains...
09:22:19 <dape> ... in discussions it turned out the be very fast very technical
09:23:01 <dape> ... however, there is always the use-case in the background ... but the time for sharing all use-cases was not possible
09:23:28 <dape> JH: Lot of WoT technologies available... also some white gaps
09:24:33 <Zakim> +??P24
09:24:35 <Zakim> -flosal
09:24:44 <dape> ... common understanding of use-cases is important (not only about various silos)
09:25:28 <dsr> q+
09:25:36 <dsr> ack dsr
09:25:39 <dape> JH: Further comments w.r.t. to the workshop are welcome..
09:25:57 <flosal> Zakim: Zakim??P24 is me
09:26:03 <flosal> Zakim: ??P24 is me
09:26:21 <dape> DR: Liked breakout sessions and also the demos
09:26:35 <jhund> q?
09:26:41 <flosal> Zakim, ??P24 is me
09:26:41 <Zakim> +flosal; got it
09:26:48 <dape> DR: Could add use-cases to the wiki
09:27:40 <Alessandra_Mileo> My SIP client is not able to connect :( I can help with use cases and I was presenting at the last WOT workshop, the breakout sessions were very good.
09:27:54 <LJWatson> +1 to education.
09:27:54 <dape> DD: Enjoyed workshop. I think it is also a bit more than just use-cases.. but also how to educate poeple building the WoT
09:28:11 <flosal> Alessandra_Mileo: have you tried linphone from the wiki? nothing else worked for me, but linphone connected and worked on first try
09:28:13 <dape> s/DD/DG
09:28:26 <dret> +1 to @domguinard's idea of promoting web patterns, and not just collecting use cases.
09:28:42 <Alessandra_Mileo> ok will try. X-Lite does not work
09:29:28 <dape> JH: Ask people to give some intros to various domains.... maybe in some future calls
09:29:29 <dsr> We won’t just be working on use cases, see the charter for detail: http://www.w3.org/blog/wotig/2015/01/20/launching-the-web-of-things-interest-group/
09:30:13 <dape> JH: For example we can provide some insights for SmartGrid
09:30:20 <Zakim> -dret
09:30:29 <Lionel_Medini> +1 on @domguinard's focus on Web part of wot & web patterns
09:30:43 <dape> JH: Any further ideas/contributions
09:30:51 <Alessandra_Mileo> in my experience with the RSP group, use cases are useful but only as a complementary activity. Setting directions and trends is priority
09:30:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
09:31:03 <dret> zakim, IPcaller is me
09:31:03 <Zakim> +dret; got it
09:31:37 <jhund> dape, its LJWatson
09:31:50 <dape> Watson: We can provide user experience knowledge
09:31:59 <dsr> q+ to describe initial app domain structure in wiki
09:32:30 <dsr> ack
09:32:31 <dape> Guinard: Can share information about marketing...
09:32:34 <Zakim> +??P10
09:32:44 <dsr> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Use_cases_across_application_domains
09:33:02 <domguinard> marketing, track and trace for FMCGs (fast moving consumer goods)
09:33:14 <domguinard> as well as home automation (e.g., smart lighting systems)
09:33:19 <dape> DR: Setup structure in wiki... capture it there please
09:34:10 <dape> ... added already smart home, smart cities, transportation, health care, ...
09:34:30 <JonathanJ1> Last month, we held a domestic workshop with 100 developer on "Web of Things and node.js" - http://onoffmix.com/event/39643
09:35:08 <dape> JH: Use-cases are for sharing domains and their requirements
09:35:31 <dape> ... would be good to come to cross-cuting uses-cases... what is in common
09:35:51 <dsr> zakim, next agendum
09:35:51 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, dsr
09:35:57 <dsr> q?
09:35:59 <dsr> ack dsr
09:35:59 <Zakim> dsr, you wanted to describe initial app domain structure in wiki
09:36:09 <dsr> zakim, next agendum
09:36:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Any changes to the agenda" taken up [from dsr]
09:36:22 <dsr> zakim, take up agendum 4
09:36:22 <Zakim> agendum 4. "IG Contributions" taken up [from dsr]
09:36:32 <Zakim> + +49.303.aahh
09:37:32 <dape> JH: Hapy about volunteered reports....
09:37:43 <jhund> q?
09:38:32 <dape> ...  let us schedule some for next time
09:38:48 <dsr> zakim, take up agendum 5
09:38:48 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Logistics of the IG" taken up [from dsr]
09:38:52 <dape> TOPIC:  Logistics
09:39:07 <dape> JH: Plans for face to face
09:39:44 <dape> ... proposals exist. time slot in about 2 months
09:40:10 <dape> .. 20 - 24th of April looks promising
09:40:24 <dape> JH: Any conflicts?
09:40:37 <Alessandra_Mileo> not on my side
09:40:48 <dape> ??: How many days for a F2F?
09:41:11 <fsasaki> q+
09:41:14 <dape> JH: one open starting day, 2 interest group days
09:41:40 <fsasaki> ack me
09:41:41 <kerry> q+
09:41:45 <fsasaki> http://tagungen.tekom.de/f15/startseite/
09:41:50 <Alessandra_Mileo> normally 2 days but for first f2f you need the open starting day and maybe a wrap-up day? I'd say 3 to 4 days
09:42:01 <jhund> ack fsasaki
09:42:21 <JonathanJ1> how about held an one day workshop too ?
09:42:46 <jhund> ack kerry
09:42:48 <domguinard> beginning of the week would work better for us but I guess there will be a poll
09:43:08 <dape> Dave: Thirsday and Friday is conflicting for me... http://tagungen.tekom.de/f15/startseite/
09:43:24 <kaz> q+
09:43:26 <dret> btw, can be maybe possible move the second call slot to not clash with the #SocialWG weekly call?
09:43:33 <dret> s/be/we/
09:43:43 <fsasaki> s/me/me - the (german) tecom event has some relation to industry 4.0 topic/
09:43:52 <dape> JH: Initial F2F could be hosted in Munich...
09:43:52 <kaz> q?
09:43:54 <jhund> ack kaz
09:45:21 <Zakim> -dret
09:45:23 <dape> Kazuyuki: Automotive working group is meeting at 23-24 april... Stuttgart
09:45:30 <jhund> q+
09:45:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
09:45:36 <dret> zakim, IPcaller is me
09:45:36 <Zakim> +dret; got it
09:45:39 <jhund> ack me
09:45:41 <kaz> zakim, mute me
09:45:41 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
09:46:21 <dape> JohH:  Makes sense to setup wiki page for conflicting meetings/conferences
09:46:30 <dromasca> +1 for avoiding the second call clash with #SocialWG weekly call
09:47:04 <dape> DR: I created section "Upcoming meetings".. please add information there..
09:47:07 <dret> ha! any more votes to avoid clashing with #SocialWG call?
09:47:34 <dape> TOPIC: Telcos
09:47:48 <Zakim> -??P6
09:47:56 <dape> JH: alternating calls ... for one hour
09:48:27 <dape> ... one hour seems to be very short.. assume that we need to extend to 1,5 hours
09:49:26 <dape> JH: How to best extend the current slot? Does 1,5 hour make sense?
09:49:40 <domguinard> I think 1h with a good focus would make sense.
09:49:54 <kerry> +1 for keeping to 1 hour
09:49:58 <dret> +1, plan meetings well and then 1h should be plenty.
09:50:03 <dape> Watson: 2 hours seem very problematic to me
09:50:16 <Edoardo> +1 to keep meeting to 1 hr
09:50:44 <Alessandra_Mileo> +1 for the 1h I am in telcos most of the time these days :(
09:50:54 <dape> JH: Looks 1 hour is good for most people
09:50:57 <LJWatson> +1  for 1h.
09:51:16 <dape> JH: What else on tooling.
09:51:38 <dape> ... Dave is working on screen sharing tool (e.g., webex)
09:52:04 <dape> DR: Fallback would be post slide on wiki or via mails
09:52:06 <Alessandra_Mileo> gotomeeting better than webex IMH
09:52:38 <radimzemek> +1 for slides in advance
09:52:51 <Edoardo> +1 slides in advance
09:52:53 <dsr> +1 to having slides in advance in accessible formats
09:52:53 <jhund> q+ do we have a github space?
09:53:04 <dape> JH: Plase add infor,ation to wiki. Helps to work on telecon agenda
09:53:25 <dret> apart from tooling, can we move the afternoon slot to not clash with #SocialWG?
09:53:28 <dape> JohH: Is there a common github rep for the group?
09:53:47 <dsr> Action: dsr to create github area for Wot IG
09:54:01 <dret> q+
09:54:07 <dape> DR: Can setup github rep
09:54:15 <jhund> ack dret
09:55:16 <dape> DRET: Afternoon slot conflicts with SocialWG
09:55:41 <dape> JH: Maybe best to discuss during next slot or via mail
09:55:48 <dret> +1 for mailing list discussion
09:56:00 <dape> DR: Thinks mailinglist is best
09:56:30 <dape> JH: Will have short reporting between the 2 lots
09:57:14 <dape> TOPIC: Use cases & requirements document  (JohH)
09:57:32 <dape> ... people come from different domains
09:57:46 <dape> .. diverse background
09:57:55 <dape> .. goal is to find a common language
09:58:12 <dape> .. idea was to find atomic use cases...across various domains
09:58:41 <dape> .. break down applications to elementary aspects... and map it to technologies
09:59:07 <dape> or vice versa... coming from technologies to helpful aspects
09:59:27 <dret> http://dret.github.io/W3C/WoTIG/WoT-UCR.html
09:59:43 <Zakim> - +49.303.aahh
09:59:48 <dape> we setup document structure.. open for updates
10:00:09 <dape> modify xml... xslt creates html
10:00:20 <dret> https://github.com/dret/W3C/tree/master/WoTIG
10:00:27 <Zakim> -dret
10:00:31 <dape> contributions are welcome
10:01:06 <jhund> Github (temporary): https://github.com/dret/W3C/tree/master/WoTIG
10:01:08 <jhund> HTML View: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dret/W3C/master/WoTIG/WoT-UCR.html
10:01:26 <dape> JH: Good to discuss use cases... and also add use-cases
10:01:27 <dret> zakim won't let me in anymore...
10:02:12 <dape> JH: Time is running short ..
10:02:35 <dape> JH: Any comments about this call/feedback?
10:02:47 <jhund> q?
10:03:26 <Zakim> -dromasca
10:03:27 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
10:03:28 <dape> JH: Encourage everyone to use email list and wiki..
10:03:29 <Zakim> -LJWatson
10:03:29 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
10:03:30 <Zakim> - +33.6.80.59.aaee
10:03:30 <Zakim> -fsasaki
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10:03:31 <Zakim> - +49.303.aadd
10:03:33 <Zakim> -??P3
10:03:33 <kerry> -kerry
10:03:34 <Zakim> -??P2
10:03:35 <Zakim> -??P14
10:03:39 <Zakim> - +44.186.533.aacc
10:03:40 <Zakim> - +39.348.739.aabb
10:03:41 <Zakim> -??P19
10:03:42 <Zakim> -jhund
10:03:46 <kaz> zakim, drop me
10:03:46 <Zakim> Kazuyuki is being disconnected
10:03:47 <kerry> bye
10:03:48 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
10:03:48 <Zakim> -??P10
10:03:52 <Zakim> -Dsr
10:03:54 <flosal> zakim, drop me
10:03:54 <Zakim> flosal is being disconnected
10:03:55 <Zakim> -flosal
10:04:04 <Zakim> -??P4
10:04:06 <dsr> rrsagent, make minutes
10:04:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/24-wot-minutes.html dsr
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10:04:10 <dsr> zakim, drop dsr
10:04:10 <Zakim> sorry, dsr, I do not see a party named 'dsr'
10:04:14 <Alessandra_Mileo> Oh my side I would like to add more on the role of semantics for WOT…
10:04:22 <Zakim> - +33.6.03.95.aaff
10:04:39 <Alessandra_Mileo> it is related to some of the use cases but will add to the github
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10:05:25 <Zakim> -kerry
10:05:26 <Zakim> UW_WOTIG()4:00AM has ended
10:05:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +39.348.739.aabb, kerry, Dsr, Kazuyuki, +44.186.533.aacc, +49.303.aadd, dromasca, +33.6.80.59.aaee, dret, jhund, +33.6.03.95.aaff, fsasaki, LJWatson, flosal,
10:05:26 <Zakim> ... +49.303.aahh
10:09:18 <JonathanJ1> This is simpler URL : http://dret.github.io/W3C/WoTIG/WoT-UCR.html
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