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16:36:42 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
16:36:42 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
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16:52:52 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
16:52:54 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items
16:52:55 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of actions
16:52:57 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  techniques
16:52:58 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ 508
16:53:00 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ user research  - citations update
16:53:01 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ user research - comments
16:53:03 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  new issue papers, review of new papers and comments
16:53:04 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ agenda for FTF
16:53:06 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
16:53:39 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
16:53:46 <Zakim> +??P18
16:53:48 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Steve Lee , EA,Deborah Dahl
16:54:34 <JohnRochford> Zakim, ??P18 is me
16:54:34 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
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16:56:49 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:59:33 <Zakim> + +1.718.618.aaaa
17:00:19 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is me
17:00:19 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
17:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.908.907.aabb
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17:02:24 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is jimtobias
17:02:24 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
17:02:32 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aabb is jimtobias
17:02:32 <Zakim> +jimtobias; got it
17:03:35 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
17:03:49 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:04:24 <Zakim> + +972.5.328.1aacc
17:05:02 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aacc is ayelet_s
17:05:02 <Zakim> +ayelet_s; got it
17:05:07 <JohnRochford> Presentation, by Susann & John, at CSUN 2015, about our task force: http://www.csun.edu/cod/conference/2015/sessions/index.php/public/presentations/view/342
17:06:01 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
17:06:43 <JohnRochford> Lisa: C
17:07:06 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Concerned we are behind on action items.
17:08:50 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
17:09:28 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
17:10:55 <Lisa_Seeman> action: 	John Rochford to add techneques for autisim to https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
17:10:55 <trackbot> 'John' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jfoliot, JohnRochford).
17:11:04 <Lisa_Seeman> action: 	JohnRochford to add techneques for autisim to https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
17:11:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Add techneques for autisim to https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html [on John Rochford - due 2015-03-02].
17:12:32 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:13:41 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
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17:14:54 <jimtobias> http://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-ict-refresh/proposed-rule/
17:15:05 <JohnRochford> Lisa: 508 call for comments: what do we want to do?
17:15:29 <Lisa_Seeman>  http://www.access-board.gov/attachments/article/1702/ict-proposed-rule.pdf
17:15:32 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:17:11 <Ryladog> q+
17:17:11 <JohnRochford> Jim: No inclusion of CD accessibility in 508, uphill battle to do so
17:17:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:17:19 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:17:36 <JohnRochford> Jim: What do we want to do?
17:17:40 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ryl
17:18:04 <Zakim> +??P6
17:18:13 <janina> zakim, ??P6 is me
17:18:13 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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17:18:35 <janina> Are we talking about 508?
17:18:39 <Lisa_Seeman> yes
17:18:40 <JohnRochford> Katie: We should recommend CD should be included in 508 from a functional perspective.
17:18:44 <janina> q+
17:19:15 <JohnRochford> Katie: We should include specifics for performance criteria.
17:19:31 <Zakim> +??P7
17:20:37 <JohnRochford> Rich: 508 refresh has not changed much in the past 3 years and, within that time, there were no suggestions about CD accessibility.
17:21:13 <Lisa_Seeman> ack rich
17:21:38 <JohnRochford> Rich: There may not be acceptance of CD accessibility-related feedback now.
17:21:52 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:22:27 <JohnRochford> Rich: 508 has waited 17 years for refresh. Perhaps we should make suggestions for next version.
17:22:30 <Lisa_Seeman> ack j
17:23:06 <JohnRochford> Janina: Probably not practical, at this late stage, to provide COGA feedback.
17:23:07 <Ryladog> q+
17:23:56 <JohnRochford> Janina:
17:24:20 <JohnRochford> Janina: Agrees with Rich.
17:24:51 <JohnRochford> Janina: COGA task force cannot provide feedback ourselves: feedback has to go through WAI/Judy.
17:25:27 <Lisa_Seeman> ack  j
17:27:10 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Not providing feedback will affect a whole generation of people, especially if we have to wait another 10 years for a refresh.
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17:28:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We will have to keep the W3C-formal process in mind for providing feedback.
17:29:30 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I think it's a marvelous time to provide feedback (by May 28) about such items as Voice ML (pressing 0 for help).
17:30:28 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I don't think it will be a distraction for us to suggest COGA performance criteria.
17:31:32 <janina> q?
17:31:39 <Ryladog> I suggest one specific additions to the Functional Performance Criteria. Add: 302.9 With Cognitive Language and Learning Disabilities. Where a mode of operation is provided, ICT shall provide at least one mode of operation that is operable by persons with Cognitive Language and Learning Disabilities.
17:31:41 <Lisa_Seeman> ack li
17:33:24 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:34:00 <JohnRochford> Katie: I think we should request an addition of 302.9 to at least get our foot in the door, but nothing else.
17:34:55 <janina> q+
17:35:24 <JohnRochford> Katie: Adding that would not limit the scope of 508.
17:35:57 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ry
17:36:58 <JohnRochford> Janina: Suggests we write this up and send it to Judy to see if she thinks she has an opportunity to present it to 508.
17:37:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:37:48 <Lisa_Seeman> ack li
17:37:51 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ja
17:37:51 <JohnRochford> Jim: Not clear to me what the access board intends to do about suggested added techniques.
17:39:18 <JohnRochford> Jim: Agrees to suggest an added performance criteria.
17:39:41 <Ryladog> q+
17:40:03 <Lisa_Seeman> ack rich
17:40:55 <JohnRochford> Rich: I think access board is supposed to be coming back with techniques about how to meet 508.
17:41:16 <JohnRochford> Janina: Yes, I think so: techniques are not fixed, and can be improved.
17:42:28 <JohnRochford> Katie: Access board will be pointing to WCAG for techniques about how to meet AA and AAA.
17:42:38 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ry
17:43:10 <Ryladog> Katie: Correction: Access Board will be pointing to WCAG for techniques about how to meet A and AA.
17:43:37 <JohnRochford> John: Thanks, Katie.
17:44:52 <JohnRochford> Lisa: What should we do as a next step?
17:45:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Wants input from active UK members.
17:45:49 <JohnRochford> Katie: Agrees to Lisa's request to write up something to send to Judy for 508.
17:47:24 <JohnRochford> Janina: I'm not comfortable with 508-related work because it is scope creep.
17:47:45 <MichaelC> ack me
17:47:54 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:48:44 <MichaelC> ack me
17:49:40 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:49:45 <JohnRochford> Michael: If 508 work galvanizes the group, that's great, but would not want the work to be a distraction to our group.
17:51:14 <jimtobias> yes, that sounds right to me.  thanks.
17:51:20 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:52:32 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We have a volunteer to manage citations.
17:52:56 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Volunteer = Ayelet_s
17:53:53 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:54:06 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:54:24 <JohnRochford> Ayelet: Should I post questions about missing information to group, or to inviduals who referenced the citations?
17:54:58 <JohnRochford> Correction: articles needing citations
17:55:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:55:48 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Suggests asking individuals and, if no response, asking group.
17:55:59 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:56:22 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Feb/0048.html
17:56:39 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Also asks Ayelet (who agrees) to send citations to John for inclusion in research page.
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17:57:10 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Feb/0040.html
17:57:11 <neilM> sorry I was soo late I had an overrun
17:57:38 <neilM> cannot get in to zakim
17:57:39 <JohnRochford> Lisa
17:58:06 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Thinks we should ask Steve, who provided us feedback, for the research upon which he is relying.
17:58:37 <jimtobias> i have to go; thanks for your time and careful consideration.
17:58:49 <Zakim> -jimtobias
17:59:13 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Should I send Steve an email message asking for the research?
17:59:29 <JohnRochford> Janina: Yes.
18:00:10 <JohnRochford> +1
18:00:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
18:00:28 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:00:33 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa to ask steve for more information on reserch that disagrees with what we have cited
18:00:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Ask steve for more information on reserch that disagrees with what we have cited [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-03-02].
18:01:27 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Who wants a call next week?
18:01:31 <JohnRochford> -1
18:02:06 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Please sign up for face-to-face meeting as soon as you can.
18:02:07 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/67703/201504_ftf/
18:02:33 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:02:40 <neilM> sorry I cannot get any phone connection
18:02:40 <JohnRochford> Lisa: No call next week.
18:02:46 <neilM> I should be around next week
18:03:23 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
18:03:23 <Zakim> -janina
18:03:49 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:04:00 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:04:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:08:14 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:08:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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18:08:49 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:08:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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18:09:11 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has ended
18:09:11 <Zakim> Attendees were JohnRochford, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.718.618.aaaa, Lisa_Seeman, +1.908.907.aabb, jimtobias, +972.5.328.1aacc, ayelet_s, Katie_Haritos-Shea, janina, Michael_Cooper
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23:10:06 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
23:10:09 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
23:10:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-coga-minutes.html MichaelC
23:11:16 <MichaelC> meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force
23:11:20 <MichaelC> chair: Lisa_Seeman
23:11:25 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
23:11:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/23-coga-minutes.html MichaelC
23:11:30 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
23:11:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items