IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2015-02-19

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 19 February 2015
15:49:37 [Kim]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Feb/0020.html
15:50:09 [Kim]
chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin
15:50:53 [Kim]
agenda+ consensus to publish FPWD of Note: Mobile Accessibility
15:50:55 [Kim]
agenda+ Status of the Document questions
15:50:56 [Kim]
agenda+ comments from EOWG (changes will be included in a future version of the note)
15:50:58 [Kim]
agenda+ ARIA techniques & mobile
15:51:31 [Kim]
regrets+ Jan_Richards
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WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
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+Kim_Patch
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+Alan_Smith
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+TomB
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+Detlev
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+Marc_Johlic
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scribe: Detlev
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+ +1.978.760.aaaa
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+Jeanne
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+??P32
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-Jeanne
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- +1.978.760.aaaa
16:05:44 [MichaelC]
ack me
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16:06:28 [Detlev]
Kathy apologizes due to snow emergency
16:06:55 [Detlev]
Zakim, take up next
16:06:55 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "consensus to publish FPWD of Note: Mobile Accessibility" taken up [from Kim]
16:07:10 [MichaelC]
ack me
16:07:29 [Detlev]
Zakim, take up item 3
16:07:29 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "comments from EOWG (changes will be included in a future version of the note)" taken up [from Kim]
16:07:50 [MichaelC]
ack me
16:08:28 [Detlev]
Jeanne knows where commenrs are - checking
16:09:05 [marcjohlic]
http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/
16:09:27 [Detlev]
(Michael checking github for note comments)
16:09:59 [Detlev]
Kim: We got approval to publish note
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Kim: Version will be published as draft
16:10:41 [Detlev]
Kim: Comments can be worked through then
16:11:43 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Note_-_EOWG_Review_Feb_2015
16:11:57 [Detlev]
MC found something on EO mailing list
16:12:32 [Detlev]
(everyone taking a few minute to read comments)
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+ +1.703.637.aabb
16:14:57 [jon_avila]
zakim, I am aabb
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+jon_avila; got it
16:15:00 [Detlev]
MJ: Wondering about techniques that are "poor development and UX practices"
16:15:31 [Kim]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Note_-_EOWG_Review_Feb_2015
16:16:50 [jon_avila]
q+
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q?
16:16:59 [Detlev]
One comment: "Mobile" screen size is the wrong term
16:17:11 [Detlev]
"viewport?"
16:17:27 [Detlev]
MJ: alternatives more wordy
16:17:40 [Detlev]
JA: Physical screen size also important
16:18:50 [Detlev]
JA: Is comment specific to place, or general?
16:18:52 [jon_avila]
q-
16:19:04 [Detlev]
Kim: probably wider
16:19:43 [Detlev]
Kim: Can't see a better version
16:20:07 [Detlev]
AS: The browser viewport not the desktop as a whole
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16:22:30 [jeanne]
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16:22:32 [marcjohlic]
How about appending the bullet w/ part of her sentence: "web pages utilizing responsive design can transition into a "mobile" screen size even on a desktop/laptop when the browser viewport is resized or zoomed in"
16:22:55 [Zakim]
+Jeanne
16:23:05 [Detlev]
JA: We want to express the commonality between different environments like desk
16:23:35 [jon_avila]
q?
16:23:51 [Detlev]
JA: likes Marcs suggestion
16:24:15 [jon_avila]
+1
16:24:19 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:24:26 [Detlev]
MJ: quotes were used ti indicate that mobile was not to be taken literally
16:24:26 [Alan_Smith]
I like Marc's revision as well.
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*
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1+
16:25:37 [Detlev]
RESOLUTION: Take Marc's suggestion above top amend 1.1
16:26:14 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make logs public
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Zakim, take up item 1
16:26:41 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "consensus to publish FPWD of Note: Mobile Accessibility" taken up [from Kim]
16:27:24 [Detlev]
+1
16:27:25 [marcjohlic]
+1
16:27:28 [jon_avila]
+1
16:27:34 [Kim]
+1
16:27:34 [jeanne]
+1 publish
16:27:38 [Alan_Smith]
+1
16:27:55 [Detlev]
RESOLUTION: Note published as first public working draft
16:28:16 [Detlev]
Zakim, take up next
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agendum 2. "Status of the Document questions" taken up [from Kim]
16:28:59 [Detlev]
JS: We asked for feedback to getting input on where we should go
16:30:32 [Detlev]
JS: explaining feedback questions
16:31:42 [Detlev]
JS: 2nd Queston: is info helpful for developers?
16:32:09 [jon_avila]
q+
16:32:58 [Detlev]
JS: If people have suggestions, that would be good
16:33:26 [Detlev]
Kim: Q 2 might be too narrow - we want to reach beyond app developers
16:34:09 [Detlev]
JA: There are gov agencies, testers etc who are also addressees
16:34:51 [Detlev]
TB: use "designers, developers, and testers"?
16:35:05 [Detlev]
JEanne: not to forget policy makers
16:35:20 [Detlev]
JA: or come uip with a term that includes everybody
16:35:52 [Detlev]
JA: have customers that do not consider mobile scenarios
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JA: stuff behind government firewalls
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Kim: aren't they also using mobile devices?
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JA: mobile may be rules out (cameras, mics)
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JS; add policy makers
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Kim: differentiate mobile content and mobile apps
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JS: we want to make sure that native apps are included
16:39:02 [Kim]
mobile apps or content that can be viewed with mobile devices
16:39:09 [Detlev]
AS: Likes Kims suggestion "content that can be viewed on mobile, and mobile apps"
16:39:11 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/WD-mobile-accessibility-mapping-20150224/#sotd
16:39:32 [jeanne]
s//
16:39:38 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:40:43 [jeanne]
Is the format of this information helpful for designers, developers, testers and policymakers of content that can be viewed on mobile, and mobile apps?
16:40:53 [Detlev]
JS: rephrasing audience description for notw
16:42:02 [jeanne]
Is the format of this information helpful for content, designers, developers, testers and policymakers that can be viewed on mobile, and mobile apps?
16:42:24 [Detlev]
JS: Group should approve this today if possible
16:43:51 [Detlev]
JS: question whether reframing WCAG techniques is useful for mobile content / app creators?
16:44:46 [jeanne]
In Appendix A, is listing potentially applicable existing WCAG 2.0 techniques helpful for mobile content and mobile app developers?
16:44:49 [Detlev]
AS: suggests "applicable" (rlevant, useful)
16:45:11 [jon_avila]
+1 to relevant
16:45:28 [jeanne]
In Appendix A, is listing relevant existing WCAG 2.0 techniques helpful for mobile content and mobile app developers?
16:45:48 [Detlev]
+1
16:45:55 [Alan_Smith]
+1 for relevant
16:46:16 [marcjohlic]
+1
16:46:39 [Detlev]
JA: Q4 (is it comprehensive?) could generarte a lot of comment
16:47:13 [Detlev]
JA: Are we asking people to contribute stuff beyond WCAG
16:47:41 [Detlev]
JS: There is already stuff in the note that cannot be attrivuted to particular SC / guidelines
16:47:55 [Detlev]
JS: "related to WCAG principles"
16:48:31 [jeanne]
Are there additional accessibility needs in mobile content related to the WCAG principles that we should address?
16:49:01 [Detlev]
JA: better say "mobile content" rather than "mobile devices", then link to WCAG principles?
16:49:42 [Detlev]
JA: Accessing content in a mobile environment.. to get away from devices?
16:49:48 [jeanne]
Are there additional accessibility needs in mobile envirnonment related to the WCAG principles that we should address?
16:50:12 [Detlev]
1+
16:50:36 [jon_avila]
+1
16:50:45 [marcjohlic]
+1
16:50:54 [Kim]
suggested rewording of #2:
16:50:56 [Kim]
Is the format of this information helpful for designers, developers and testers of content that can be viewed with mobile devices and in mobile apps? Is it useful for policymakers?
16:51:22 [jon_avila]
+1
16:51:26 [Detlev]
+1
16:51:41 [Zakim]
-TomB
16:52:33 [Detlev]
JS: we have to be careful not to imply that we are changing WCAG
16:53:56 [Detlev]
JS: Are there suggestions for any other questions?
16:54:34 [Detlev]
JS: people tend nto to answer too specific questions
16:55:10 [Detlev]
Kim: Do we cover the issue that content will often be directed both at desktop and mobile? Is that covered?
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Sorry had to drop on one browser and open in another on my tablet
16:59:00 [Detlev]
Kim: There was a big discussion on keyboard accessibility for mobile
17:00:24 [jeanne]
Have we sufficiently explained why keyboard interface and modality independent controls are needed in the mobile environment?
17:00:39 [Detlev]
1+
17:00:44 [jon_avila]
+1
17:00:50 [marcjohlic]
+1
17:00:52 [Alan_Smith]
_-1
17:01:12 [Alan_Smith]
+1
17:03:02 [Detlev]
(Discussion on face 2 face at CSUN)
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-jon_avila
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rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:18 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Detlev
17:03:21 [Zakim]
-Alan_Smith
17:03:22 [jon_avila]
Thanks!
17:03:23 [Zakim]
-Jeanne
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Marc_Johlic
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Zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Alan_Smith, TomB, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, +1.978.760.aaaa, Jeanne, Michael_Cooper, +1.703.637.aabb, jon_avila
17:04:46 [Detlev]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Detlev
17:07:07 [Detlev]
rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items