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15:49:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
15:49:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
15:49:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:49:03 <trackbot> Date: 19 February 2015
15:49:37 <Kim>  agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Feb/0020.html
15:50:09 <Kim>  chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin
15:50:53 <Kim> agenda+ consensus to publish FPWD of Note: Mobile Accessibility
15:50:55 <Kim> agenda+ Status of the Document questions
15:50:56 <Kim> agenda+ comments from EOWG (changes will be included in a future version of the note)
15:50:58 <Kim> agenda+ ARIA techniques & mobile
15:51:31 <Kim> regrets+ Jan_Richards
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16:02:50 <Zakim> +Detlev
16:03:22 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:03:57 <Detlev> scribe: Detlev
16:04:09 <Zakim> + +1.978.760.aaaa
16:04:32 <Zakim> +Jeanne
16:05:02 <Zakim> +??P32
16:05:21 <Zakim> -Jeanne
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16:05:44 <MichaelC> ack me
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16:06:28 <Detlev> Kathy apologizes due to snow emergency
16:06:55 <Detlev> Zakim, take up next
16:06:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "consensus to publish FPWD of Note: Mobile Accessibility" taken up [from Kim]
16:07:10 <MichaelC> ack me
16:07:29 <Detlev> Zakim, take up item 3
16:07:29 <Zakim> agendum 3. "comments from EOWG (changes will be included in a future version of the note)" taken up [from Kim]
16:07:50 <MichaelC> ack me
16:08:28 <Detlev> Jeanne knows where commenrs are - checking
16:09:05 <marcjohlic> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/
16:09:27 <Detlev> (Michael checking github for note comments)
16:09:59 <Detlev> Kim: We got approval to publish note
16:10:20 <Detlev> Kim: Version will be published as draft
16:10:41 <Detlev> Kim: Comments can be worked through then
16:11:43 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Note_-_EOWG_Review_Feb_2015
16:11:57 <Detlev> MC found something on EO mailing list
16:12:32 <Detlev> (everyone taking a few minute to read comments)
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16:14:50 <Zakim> + +1.703.637.aabb
16:14:57 <jon_avila> zakim, I am aabb
16:14:57 <Zakim> +jon_avila; got it
16:15:00 <Detlev> MJ: Wondering about techniques that are "poor development and UX practices"
16:15:31 <Kim> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility_Note_-_EOWG_Review_Feb_2015
16:16:50 <jon_avila> q+
16:16:51 <jon_avila> q?
16:16:59 <Detlev> One comment: "Mobile" screen size is the wrong term
16:17:11 <Detlev> "viewport?"
16:17:27 <Detlev> MJ: alternatives more wordy
16:17:40 <Detlev> JA: Physical screen size also important
16:18:50 <Detlev> JA: Is comment specific to place, or general?
16:18:52 <jon_avila> q-
16:19:04 <Detlev> Kim: probably wider
16:19:43 <Detlev> Kim: Can't see a better version
16:20:07 <Detlev> AS: The browser viewport not the desktop as  a whole
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16:22:32 <marcjohlic> How about appending the bullet w/ part of her sentence:  "web pages utilizing responsive design can transition into a "mobile" screen size even on a desktop/laptop when the browser viewport is resized or zoomed in"
16:22:55 <Zakim> +Jeanne
16:23:05 <Detlev> JA: We want to express the commonality between different environments like desk
16:23:35 <jon_avila> q?
16:23:51 <Detlev> JA: likes Marcs suggestion
16:24:15 <jon_avila> +1
16:24:19 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:24:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:24:26 <Detlev> MJ: quotes were used ti indicate that mobile was not to be taken literally
16:24:26 <Alan_Smith> I like Marc's revision as well.
16:24:28 <Detlev> *
16:24:36 <Detlev> 1+
16:25:37 <Detlev> RESOLUTION: Take Marc's suggestion above top amend 1.1
16:26:14 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
16:26:41 <Detlev> Zakim, take up item 1
16:26:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "consensus to publish FPWD of Note: Mobile Accessibility" taken up [from Kim]
16:27:24 <Detlev> +1
16:27:25 <marcjohlic> +1
16:27:28 <jon_avila> +1
16:27:34 <Kim> +1
16:27:34 <jeanne> +1 publish
16:27:38 <Alan_Smith> +1
16:27:55 <Detlev> RESOLUTION: Note published as first public working draft
16:28:16 <Detlev> Zakim, take up next
16:28:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Status of the Document questions" taken up [from Kim]
16:28:59 <Detlev> JS: We asked for feedback to getting input on where we should go
16:30:32 <Detlev> JS:  explaining feedback questions
16:31:42 <Detlev> JS: 2nd Queston: is info helpful for developers?
16:32:09 <jon_avila> q+
16:32:58 <Detlev> JS: If people have suggestions, that would be good
16:33:26 <Detlev> Kim: Q 2 might be too narrow - we want to reach beyond app developers
16:34:09 <Detlev> JA: There are gov agencies, testers etc who are also addressees
16:34:51 <Detlev> TB: use "designers, developers, and testers"?
16:35:05 <Detlev> JEanne: not to forget policy makers
16:35:20 <Detlev> JA: or come uip with a term that includes everybody
16:35:52 <Detlev> JA: have customers that do not consider mobile scenarios
16:36:26 <Detlev> JA: stuff behind government firewalls
16:36:57 <Detlev> Kim: aren't they also using mobile devices?
16:37:17 <Detlev> JA: mobile may be rules out (cameras, mics)
16:37:29 <Detlev> JS; add policy makers
16:37:50 <Detlev> Kim: differentiate mobile content and mobile apps
16:38:03 <Detlev> JS: we want to make sure that native apps are included
16:39:02 <Kim> mobile apps or content that can be viewed with mobile devices
16:39:09 <Detlev> AS: Likes Kims suggestion "content that can be viewed on mobile, and mobile apps"
16:39:11 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/WD-mobile-accessibility-mapping-20150224/#sotd
16:39:32 <jeanne> s//
16:39:38 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:39:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:40:43 <jeanne> Is the format of this information helpful for designers, developers, testers and policymakers of content that can be viewed on mobile, and mobile apps?
16:40:53 <Detlev> JS: rephrasing audience description for notw
16:42:02 <jeanne> Is the format of this information helpful for content, designers, developers, testers and policymakers that can be viewed on mobile, and mobile apps?
16:42:24 <Detlev> JS: Group should approve this today if possible
16:43:51 <Detlev> JS: question whether reframing WCAG techniques is useful for mobile content / app creators?
16:44:46 <jeanne> In Appendix A, is listing potentially applicable existing WCAG 2.0 techniques helpful for mobile content and mobile app developers?
16:44:49 <Detlev> AS: suggests "applicable" (rlevant, useful)
16:45:11 <jon_avila> +1 to relevant
16:45:28 <jeanne> In Appendix A, is listing relevant existing WCAG 2.0 techniques helpful for mobile content and mobile app developers?
16:45:48 <Detlev> +1
16:45:55 <Alan_Smith> +1 for relevant
16:46:16 <marcjohlic> +1
16:46:39 <Detlev> JA: Q4 (is it comprehensive?) could generarte a lot of comment
16:47:13 <Detlev> JA: Are we asking people to contribute stuff beyond WCAG
16:47:41 <Detlev> JS: There is already stuff in the note that cannot be attrivuted to particular SC / guidelines
16:47:55 <Detlev> JS: "related to WCAG principles"
16:48:31 <jeanne> Are there additional accessibility needs in mobile content related to the WCAG principles that we should address?
16:49:01 <Detlev> JA: better say "mobile content" rather than "mobile devices",  then link to WCAG principles?
16:49:42 <Detlev> JA: Accessing content in a mobile environment.. to get away from devices?
16:49:48 <jeanne> Are there additional accessibility needs in mobile envirnonment related to the WCAG principles that we should address?
16:50:12 <Detlev> 1+
16:50:36 <jon_avila> +1
16:50:45 <marcjohlic> +1
16:50:54 <Kim> suggested rewording of #2:
16:50:56 <Kim> Is the format of this information helpful for designers, developers and testers of content that can be viewed with mobile devices and in mobile apps? Is it useful for policymakers?
16:51:22 <jon_avila> +1
16:51:26 <Detlev> +1
16:51:41 <Zakim> -TomB
16:52:33 <Detlev> JS: we have to be careful not to imply that we are changing WCAG
16:53:56 <Detlev> JS: Are there suggestions for any other questions?
16:54:34 <Detlev> JS: people tend nto to answer too specific questions
16:55:10 <Detlev> Kim: Do we cover the issue that content will often be directed both at desktop and mobile? Is that covered?
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16:56:01 <Alan_Smith> Sorry had to drop on one browser and open in another on my tablet
16:59:00 <Detlev> Kim: There was a big discussion on keyboard accessibility for mobile
17:00:24 <jeanne> Have we sufficiently explained why keyboard interface and modality independent controls are needed in the mobile environment?
17:00:39 <Detlev> 1+
17:00:44 <jon_avila> +1
17:00:50 <marcjohlic> +1
17:00:52 <Alan_Smith> _-1
17:01:12 <Alan_Smith> +1
17:03:02 <Detlev> (Discussion on face 2 face at CSUN)
17:03:15 <Zakim> -jon_avila
17:03:18 <Detlev> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Detlev
17:03:21 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
17:03:22 <jon_avila> Thanks!
17:03:23 <Zakim> -Jeanne
17:03:25 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:03:43 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:04:37 <Detlev> Zakim, list participants
17:04:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Alan_Smith, TomB, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, +1.978.760.aaaa, Jeanne, Michael_Cooper, +1.703.637.aabb, jon_avila
17:04:46 <Detlev> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/19-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Detlev
17:07:07 <Detlev> rrsagent, bye
17:07:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items