IRC log of sdw on 2015-02-18

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Zakim, this will be SDW
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ok, trackbot; I see DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
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Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 February 2015
19:44:36 [kerry]
make logs public
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150218
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Attendees were
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+eparsons
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+CoryHenson
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+??P8
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zakim,??P8 is me
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+Frans; got it
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+kerry
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zakim, this will be sdw
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ok, eparsons, I see DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM already started
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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-kerry
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+??P11
19:59:19 [ClemensPortele]
zakim, ??p11 is me
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+ClemensPortele; got it
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+??P10
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+SimonCox
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+ahaller2
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [ is me
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+phila; got it
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+??P12
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Zakim, ??P10 is me
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+Linda; got it
20:00:37 [RaulGarciaCastro]
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20:00:38 [eparsons]
scribe: eparsons
20:00:44 [phila]
zakim, who is here?
20:00:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, ClemensPortele, SimonCox, Linda, ahaller2, phila, ??P12
20:00:47 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RaulGarciaCastro, tjtavila, CoryHenson, KarlG, aharth, Adila, phila, Simon, ClemensPortele, ahaller2, Linda, Frans, eparsons, Zakim, RRSAgent, kerry, chaals, trackbot
20:00:56 [JoshLieberman]
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+ +1.650.724.aaaa
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+LieberJosh
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+MattPerry
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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+RaulGarciaCastro; got it
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+[IPcaller]
20:02:53 [KarlG]
I am on the call - is there something further I need to do?
20:03:05 [aharth]
zakim, ipcaller is me
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+aharth; got it
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+Adila
20:03:09 [KJanowicz]
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+??P21
20:03:19 [JoshLieberman]
zakim LieberJosh is JoshLieberman
20:03:24 [phila]
zakim, ??12 is KarlG
20:03:24 [Zakim]
sorry, phila, I do not recognize a party named '??12'
20:03:27 [LarsG]
zakim ??p21 is me
20:03:36 [phila]
zakim, who is here?
20:03:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, ClemensPortele, SimonCox, Linda, ahaller2, phila, ??P12, +1.650.724.aaaa, LieberJosh, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth, Adila,
20:03:37 [LarsG]
zakim +??p21 is me
20:03:40 [KarlG]
okay
20:03:40 [Zakim]
... ??P21
20:03:40 [Zakim]
On IRC I see KJanowicz, Alejandro_Llaves, MattPerry, LarsG, JoshLieberman, RaulGarciaCastro, tjtavila, CoryHenson, KarlG, aharth, Adila, phila, Simon, ClemensPortele, ahaller2,
20:03:40 [Zakim]
... Linda, Frans, eparsons, Zakim, RRSAgent, kerry, chaals, trackbot
20:03:47 [Simon]
zakim, SimonCox is Simon
20:03:47 [Zakim]
+Simon; got it
20:03:52 [JoshLieberman]
zakim, LieberJosh is JoshLieberman
20:03:52 [Zakim]
+JoshLieberman; got it
20:03:53 [Adila]
zakim, Adila is me
20:03:54 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
20:03:55 [Zakim]
+Adila; got it
20:04:05 [phila]
zakim, ??P12 is KarlG
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+KarlG; got it
20:04:08 [KJanowicz]
zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
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sorry, KJanowicz, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
20:04:26 [phila]
zakim, [ is KJanowicz
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+KJanowicz; got it
20:04:38 [kerry]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:04:38 [Zakim]
On the phone I see eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, ClemensPortele, Simon, Linda, ahaller2, phila, KarlG, +1.650.724.aaaa, JoshLieberman, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth, Adila.a,
20:04:41 [Zakim]
... ??P21, KJanowicz
20:04:41 [phila]
zakim, ??P21 is LarsG
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+LarsG; got it
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regrets: Rachel, Jitao
20:05:36 [kerry]
zakim, who is making noise?
20:05:48 [Zakim]
kerry, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: phila (66%), +1.650.724.aaaa (37%)
20:06:07 [phila]
zakim, aaaa is KarlG
20:06:07 [Zakim]
+KarlG; got it
20:06:08 [kerry]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:06:08 [Zakim]
On the phone I see eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, ClemensPortele, Simon, Linda, ahaller2, phila, KarlG, KarlG.a, JoshLieberman, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth, Adila.a, LarsG,
20:06:12 [Zakim]
... KJanowicz
20:06:26 [phila]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150218
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chair: Kerry
20:06:56 [eparsons]
Meeting: SDW WG Weekly
20:07:07 [phila]
phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150218
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-ahaller2
20:07:59 [eparsons]
PROPOSED: Accept last weeks minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/02/11-sdw-minutes.html
20:08:06 [eparsons]
+1
20:08:07 [KJanowicz]
+1
20:08:08 [aharth]
+1
20:08:10 [Frans]
+1
20:08:11 [ClemensPortele]
+1
20:08:11 [AndreaPerego]
+1
20:08:12 [MattPerry]
+1
20:08:12 [KarlG]
+1
20:08:12 [Simon]
+1
20:08:13 [CoryHenson]
+1
20:08:15 [phila]
+1
20:08:15 [LarsG]
+1
20:08:16 [Alejandro_Llaves]
+1
20:08:19 [Linda]
+1
20:08:19 [eparsons]
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes
20:08:20 [JoshLieberman]
+1
20:08:41 [eparsons]
Kerry: patent call
20:08:44 [phila]
-> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call Patent Call
20:08:56 [Adila]
zakim, Adila.a is me
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+Adila; got it
20:09:07 [KarlG]
I'm new
20:09:08 [eparsons]
Kerry : anyone new ?
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+q
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-q
20:09:20 [KarlG]
+q
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ack KarlG
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20:10:15 [eparsons]
Karlg: works at Standford U - Space & Time modelling interests
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+[IPcaller]
20:10:52 [eparsons]
Topic: F2F Meeting
20:10:54 [kerry]
F2F meeting: call for presentations on GeoSPARQL, NeoGeo and the ISA Core Location vocabulary, GeoJSON, GeoJSON-LD and TopoJSON (for initial background, not for discussion)
20:10:55 [Payam]
zakim, ipcaller is me
20:10:55 [Zakim]
+Payam; got it
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20:11:06 [eparsons]
Kerry : Pin down agenda
20:11:14 [kerry]
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2f_Barcelona
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20:12:02 [eparsons]
Kerry : Please look - main job use cases review
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Kerry: Scope Questions - Is this Use Case relevant re charter
20:13:19 [eparsons]
Kerry : Next F2F item requirements then Use Case doc ready ASAP after meeting
20:13:40 [Frans]
I have volunteered!
20:14:01 [eparsons]
Kerry : 2 Editors Frans & Alejando
20:14:18 [AndreaPerego]
s/Alejando/Alejandro/
20:14:41 [eparsons]
Kerry : 3rd editor welcome
20:14:57 [Zakim]
+ahaller2
20:14:59 [Alejandro_Llaves]
Yup! Sorry, audio problems with my SIP client again...
20:15:42 [Alejandro_Llaves]
Agree!
20:15:50 [eparsons]
Kerry: Final item Presentations on Technology in Charter
20:16:16 [eparsons]
Kerry : From people who know them..
20:16:28 [MattPerry]
+q
20:17:00 [eparsons]
Kerry : Edit wiki to add your technology presso
20:17:00 [kerry]
ack mattperry
20:17:42 [eparsons]
MattPerry: Happy to do GeoSparql
20:18:05 [JoshLieberman]
Gotomeeting will also be in use at the OGC meeting. Could use this for a remote presentation...
20:18:55 [JoshLieberman]
Visual sharing was what I was thinking.
20:18:59 [eparsons]
Kerry: GotoMeeting & Zakim/IRC may cause confusion - Gotomeeting for video only
20:19:23 [Zakim]
+??P7
20:19:27 [AndreaPerego]
zakim, ??P7 is me
20:19:27 [Zakim]
+AndreaPerego; got it
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+??P1
20:19:44 [AndreaPerego]
zakim, mute me
20:19:44 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego should now be muted
20:19:49 [phila]
zakim, mute AndreaPerego
20:19:49 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego was already muted, phila
20:19:56 [phila]
zakim, who is noisy?
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-??P1
20:20:15 [Zakim]
phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: eparsons (4%), KarlG (44%)
20:20:18 [phila]
zakim, unmute AndreaPerego
20:20:18 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego should no longer be muted
20:21:29 [AndreaPerego]
zakim, mute me
20:21:29 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego should now be muted
20:21:57 [eparsons]
Topic: Scope Questions
20:22:05 [kerry]
Scope Questions: pls see and add to http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Scope_questions_and_Requirements
20:22:35 [eparsons]
Kerry : Idea to use q's to understand which parts of use cases are relevant
20:22:35 [Zakim]
+??P1
20:22:53 [AndreaPerego]
zakim, who is noisy?
20:22:54 [eparsons]
Kerry : To do before f2f meeting
20:23:06 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: KarlG (95%)
20:23:16 [eparsons]
Kerry : No time to present all use cases at meeting
20:23:29 [eparsons]
Kerry : Editors write up review
20:23:42 [phila]
zakim, mute KarlG
20:23:42 [Zakim]
KarlG should now be muted
20:24:00 [Linda]
i hear it too
20:24:01 [KarlG]
zakim, fyi, the actual Karl Grossner is KarlG.a
20:24:01 [Zakim]
I don't understand you, KarlG
20:24:01 [eparsons]
No we all hear
20:24:01 [RaulGarciaCastro]
too
20:24:05 [phila]
zakim, mute karlg.a
20:24:05 [Zakim]
KarlG.a should now be muted
20:24:14 [phila]
zakim, who is noisy?
20:24:14 [kerry]
zakim, who is noisy?
20:24:26 [Frans]
same here!
20:24:27 [Zakim]
phila, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (100%), eparsons (8%)
20:24:27 [KarlG]
zakim, fyi, the actual Karl Grossner is not KarlG, he is KarlG.a
20:24:29 [Zakim]
I don't understand you, KarlG
20:24:30 [AndreaPerego]
s/here/hear/
20:24:41 [Zakim]
kerry, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
20:24:48 [aharth]
zakim, mute ??P1
20:24:48 [Zakim]
??P1 should now be muted
20:24:48 [phila]
zakim, mute ??P1
20:24:49 [Zakim]
??P1 should now be muted
20:24:50 [Simon]
zakim, mute P1
20:24:50 [Zakim]
sorry, Simon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P1
20:25:00 [eparsons]
Thats better
20:25:03 [Zakim]
-??P1
20:25:24 [kerry]
you cant hear me???
20:25:30 [AndreaPerego]
No
20:25:31 [Simon]
Was Kerry ??P1?
20:25:32 [Frans]
Perhaps Kerry was P1?
20:25:32 [KJanowicz]
No
20:25:38 [eparsons]
No can't ehar kerry
20:25:42 [aharth]
zakim, unmute kerry
20:25:42 [Zakim]
sorry, aharth, I do not know which phone connection belongs to kerry
20:25:48 [Zakim]
-Payam
20:25:50 [AndreaPerego]
s/ehar/hear/
20:25:58 [kerry]
i dont know why you cant hera me
20:26:10 [kerry]
i can hear you
20:26:13 [AndreaPerego]
s/hera/hear/
20:26:21 [phila]
zakim, who is muted?
20:26:21 [Zakim]
I see KarlG, KarlG.a, AndreaPerego muted
20:26:22 [kerry]
i am hear -- i can hear you!
20:26:25 [AndreaPerego]
ack kerry
20:26:30 [phila]
zakim, unmute KarlG
20:26:30 [Zakim]
KarlG should no longer be muted
20:26:30 [kerry]
i am here - i can hear you!
20:26:56 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
20:26:59 [Simon]
Zakim, KarlG is Kerry
20:26:59 [Zakim]
+Kerry; got it
20:26:59 [Payam]
zakim, ipcaller is me
20:27:00 [Zakim]
+Payam; got it
20:27:36 [Simon]
zakim, who is on the phone
20:27:36 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Simon
20:27:38 [eparsons]
Kerry: Working from wiki page Q1 resolved - yes spatial data
20:28:06 [Simon]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:28:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, ClemensPortele, Simon, Linda, phila, Kerry, KarlG.a (muted), JoshLieberman, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth, Adila, LarsG,
20:28:09 [Zakim]
... KJanowicz, ahaller2, AndreaPerego (muted), Payam
20:28:16 [eparsons]
Kerry: Happy to accept new proposals
20:28:27 [kerry]
Does the requirement encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web; (suggestion to be developed) Is the requirement testable? - can it be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two. (suggestion to be developed) public vs private web (suggestion to be developed)
20:28:35 [Frans]
+q
20:28:47 [kerry]
ack frans
20:29:07 [JoshLieberman]
Not sure #1 covers this "does the use case involve spatial enablement of Web data?"
20:29:11 [eparsons]
Frans: Most appropriate place for other questions?
20:29:24 [JoshLieberman]
+q
20:29:57 [eparsons]
Kerry: Wiki?
20:30:27 [eparsons]
Phila: Mailing list preferred - track discussions, recorded
20:30:57 [eparsons]
Phila: Mailing list also provides notifications
20:31:36 [eparsons]
Kerry: Transfer to wiki also
20:32:15 [eparsons]
Phila: And link in wiki to mailling thread
20:32:22 [Frans]
Linking stuff is always good
20:33:28 [eparsons]
Kerry : Need to restrict Use Cases to Charter
20:33:41 [eparsons]
Kerry : Some duplication expected
20:33:51 [Frans]
q+
20:34:09 [kerry]
ack josh
20:34:52 [Zakim]
+??P25
20:34:59 [eparsons]
JoshLieberman: Wider area beyond spatial data on the web, can be given spatial content
20:35:22 [Alejandro_Llaves]
zakim, ??P25 is Alejandro_Llaves
20:35:22 [Zakim]
+Alejandro_Llaves; got it
20:36:10 [eparsons]
joshLieberman : Clemens use case is good example
20:36:55 [Zakim]
-Alejandro_Llaves
20:37:01 [eparsons]
Kerry: Propose new question ?
20:38:10 [Simon]
existential crisis
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20:39:07 [eparsons]
Kerry: Frans q2 What does resolved mean ? - Agreed
20:39:10 [LieberJosh]
Does the use case involve providing a spatial context or component to existing Web data or content.
20:39:41 [Zakim]
-KJanowicz
20:39:54 [eparsons]
Kerry : Q4 - Q2 and Q3 will help
20:40:06 [eparsons]
Kerry: in resolving
20:40:31 [ClemensPortele]
+1 to adding Josh's question
20:41:23 [eparsons]
LieberJosh : GeoRSS as example - adding geometry to feature
20:41:37 [Zakim]
+KJanowicz
20:41:42 [Simon]
Ping backs
20:42:07 [eparsons]
LieberJosh: Provide spatial context for other information water level in a lake for example
20:42:33 [Zakim]
+??P25
20:42:36 [eparsons]
Kerry: Reword ?
20:42:44 [phila]
zakim, mute ??P25
20:42:44 [Zakim]
??P25 should now be muted
20:42:54 [eparsons]
Kerry: Use case must meet ALL Questions
20:43:08 [Alejandro_Llaves]
zakim, ??P25 is Alejandro_Llaves
20:43:08 [Zakim]
+Alejandro_Llaves; got it
20:43:16 [Frans]
+q
20:43:23 [eparsons]
Kerry: Combine with q1? Data + Spatial content
20:43:23 [aharth]
+q
20:43:28 [kerry]
ack
20:43:34 [kerry]
q?
20:43:38 [kerry]
ack frans
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20:43:58 [Zakim]
-KJanowicz
20:44:23 [Zakim]
+KJanowicz
20:44:24 [eparsons]
Frans: Use case real world problem - scope to requirements not use cases
20:45:03 [KJanowicz]
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20:45:24 [KarlG]
please unmute KarlG.a
20:45:25 [Zakim]
-KJanowicz
20:45:45 [eparsons]
Frans: Scope helps in interpretation
20:45:53 [Zakim]
+KJanowicz
20:46:03 [kerry]
q?
20:46:15 [eparsons]
Kerry: Any one else on this topic ?
20:46:46 [KarlG]
+q
20:46:56 [Zakim]
-Alejandro_Llaves
20:46:57 [kerry]
ack karlG
20:47:02 [KarlG]
please unmute KarlG.a
20:47:11 [Frans]
Maybe we can try out the scoping process on one use case as a test?
20:47:11 [phila]
zakim, who is muted?
20:47:11 [Zakim]
I see AndreaPerego muted
20:47:12 [KarlG]
question for Josh
20:47:25 [Simon]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:47:25 [Zakim]
On the phone I see eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, ClemensPortele, Simon, Linda, phila, Kerry, KarlG.a, JoshLieberman, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth, Adila, LarsG, ahaller2,
20:47:29 [Zakim]
... AndreaPerego (muted), Payam, KJanowicz
20:47:45 [Simon]
zakim, KarlG.a is KarlG
20:47:45 [Zakim]
+KarlG; got it
20:47:47 [aharth]
-q
20:47:49 [eparsons]
KarlG: Q for Josh - spatial context is spatial data ?
20:48:35 [phila]
q+ to wonder whether this is the Web/GIS split
20:48:37 [eparsons]
LieberJosh: Context not geometry
20:48:51 [Simon]
Geometry is a property or attribute, but is not a feature in its own right
20:49:01 [eparsons]
LieberJosh: Geometry is attribute
20:49:42 [KJanowicz]
focusing merely on geometry would be very reductionistic
20:50:11 [AndreaPerego]
+1 to KJanowicz
20:50:13 [aharth]
"context" may imply too much though, too broad a term
20:50:25 [eparsons]
LieberJosh: may want to link spatial object to different spatial geometry or reference for context
20:50:55 [KJanowicz]
what about platial data?
20:50:56 [eparsons]
KarlG: Spatial data definition is Broad enough
20:51:04 [Frans]
We may need a glossary page
20:51:11 [Adila]
+1 to KarlG
20:51:33 [LarsG]
+1 to Frans
20:51:35 [KarlG]
+1 to Kerry
20:51:40 [eparsons]
Kerry: OK to amend spatial data or context
20:51:40 [Alejandro_Llaves]
+1 to Frans
20:51:46 [KJanowicz]
+q
20:52:02 [phila]
ack me
20:52:02 [Zakim]
phila, you wanted to wonder whether this is the Web/GIS split
20:52:03 [kerry]
ack phila
20:53:01 [eparsons]
Phila: Interesting - problem with conceptual areas without boundary - little Italy for example
20:53:36 [kerry]
ack kjan
20:53:39 [eparsons]
Phila: Spatial context makes sense +Lieberjosh
20:53:46 [LieberJosh]
+1 for Phila
20:53:54 [KJanowicz]
Montello, Daniel R., Alinda Friedman, and Daniel W. Phillips. "Vague cognitive regions in geography and geographic information science." International Journal of Geographical Information Science 28.9 (2014): 1802-1820.
20:54:19 [eparsons]
kjanowicz: Not explicit spatial geometry
20:54:34 [eparsons]
+1 Phila
20:54:58 [Simon]
Names are the primary 'spatial' designator in the general community!
20:55:03 [KarlG]
placial? ;^)
20:55:06 [KJanowicz]
not about whether you like the term, I made the same argument as you did
20:55:18 [CoryHenson]
+q
20:55:22 [phila]
:-) KJanowicz
20:55:32 [kerry]
ack cory
20:55:32 [LieberJosh]
+1 to spatial data or spatial context
20:55:35 [KJanowicz]
for most of the places we do not have an exact spatial representation
20:56:08 [eparsons]
CoryHenson: Spatial and Observations ? Observation out of scope ?
20:56:35 [Simon]
However, PhilA argument (you can put a name on a map) proves that place-name can be linked to a coordinate, even if it is merely 'centre of gravity' or similar
20:56:41 [Frans]
an observation can be of spatial nature. The observer can also have a location.
20:56:45 [eparsons]
Kerry: No SSN covers this
20:56:48 [Simon]
Cartographers have known this forever
20:57:02 [KJanowicz]
so if our SSN is part of 'spatial' then our definition is very broad anyway
20:57:10 [LieberJosh]
Observation actually has a multiplicity of spatial references, not a paucity
20:57:21 [eparsons]
Kerry: Don't want spatial but not temporal
20:57:57 [Simon]
If I understand correctly, Josh argument is that names can be linked to spatial coordinates, but often the link is maintained externally.
20:57:58 [KarlG]
this always happens to time
20:58:01 [KJanowicz]
+1 on spatial implies temporal
20:58:34 [kerry]
Is the use case specifically about Spatial data on the Web? (Resolved 29/1/2015)
20:58:37 [Frans]
In the locations and addresses group we hade a nice discussion about space and time. I send the link when I find it.
20:58:50 [kerry]
Is the use case specifically about Spatial data or spatial context on the Web?
20:59:01 [AndreaPerego]
Here it is: https://www.w3.org/community/locadd/wiki/Space_and_Time
20:59:08 [Simon]
@kerry - what am I supposed to be looking at?
20:59:21 [LarsG]
can we then say "spatiotemporal data or spatiotemporal context"?
20:59:28 [kerry]
Propose: is the use case specifically about Spatial data or spatial context on the Web?
20:59:44 [KarlG]
+1
21:00:16 [Frans]
I am not clear on the definition of spatial context.
21:00:43 [kerry]
+
21:00:43 [phila]
This would amend the resolution taken on 29 Jan - which is fine
21:00:45 [Simon]
+1
21:00:46 [kerry]
+1
21:00:50 [ClemensPortele]
+1
21:00:57 [eparsons]
+1
21:00:58 [MattPerry]
+1
21:00:59 [RaulGarciaCastro]
+1
21:01:00 [phila]
+1
21:01:00 [KJanowicz]
+1
21:01:18 [Alejandro_Llaves]
+1
21:01:20 [Adila]
+1
21:01:21 [AndreaPerego]
-1
21:01:21 [CoryHenson]
+1
21:01:28 [LieberJosh]
+1
21:01:29 [AndreaPerego]
q+
21:01:42 [Linda]
+1
21:01:47 [AndreaPerego]
q-
21:01:57 [aharth]
+1 with josh's description over the phone
21:02:09 [LieberJosh]
spatial data is feature data. spatial context is spatial reference attribute information separate from features.
21:02:18 [aharth]
context = feature or geometry
21:02:21 [eparsons]
Kerry: Not RESOLVED - discussion to be continued on the list
21:02:34 [aharth]
i can write a short mail
21:02:35 [AndreaPerego]
I'll explain my objection on the mailing list.
21:02:39 [eparsons]
Kerry: Add more scope questions please
21:02:39 [Zakim]
-aharth
21:02:45 [KarlG]
KarlG has left #sdw
21:02:51 [Zakim]
-KarlG
21:03:09 [eparsons]
Kerry: TIme zone changes start this week until end of april
21:03:23 [eparsons]
Kerry: No changes to current UTC time
21:03:34 [Simon]
5am meetings!!! Arrgh
21:03:54 [ahaller2]
-1
21:04:12 [eparsons]
Kerry: Will look again when all changes have worked through - end of April
21:04:17 [Zakim]
-JoshLieberman
21:04:39 [eparsons]
Kerry: add time issues to list - Poll will not work
21:05:15 [eparsons]
Kerry: Editor for use case still looking for more help
21:05:26 [eparsons]
Kerry: Meeting closed
21:05:28 [Simon]
Coffee.
21:05:28 [KJanowicz]
bye, bye
21:05:31 [AndreaPerego]
Bye bye
21:05:33 [CoryHenson]
bye
21:05:34 [LarsG]
bye
21:05:34 [Frans]
to sleep!
21:05:35 [Payam]
thanks; bye
21:05:36 [MattPerry]
bye
21:05:36 [ClemensPortele]
bye
21:05:39 [eparsons]
Thanks kerry bye !!
21:05:40 [RaulGarciaCastro]
bye
21:05:40 [Zakim]
-Adila
21:05:42 [Zakim]
-KJanowicz
21:05:42 [Zakim]
-phila
21:05:43 [Zakim]
-Payam
21:05:43 [Zakim]
-RaulGarciaCastro
21:05:44 [Alejandro_Llaves]
bye, thanks!
21:05:44 [Linda]
bye!
21:05:44 [Zakim]
-ahaller2
21:05:46 [Zakim]
-MattPerry
21:05:48 [Zakim]
-Simon
21:05:51 [Zakim]
-AndreaPerego
21:05:53 [Zakim]
-ClemensPortele
21:05:54 [Zakim]
-CoryHenson
21:05:55 [Zakim]
-LarsG
21:05:56 [Zakim]
-Linda
21:05:58 [Zakim]
-Frans
21:06:07 [phila]
zakim, list participants
21:06:07 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, kerry, ClemensPortele, ahaller2, phila, Linda, +1.650.724.aaaa, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth, Simon,
21:06:10 [Zakim]
... JoshLieberman, Adila, KJanowicz, LarsG, Payam, AndreaPerego, Alejandro_Llaves, KarlG
21:06:19 [phila]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:06:19 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/18-sdw-minutes.html phila
21:06:36 [Zakim]
-eparsons
21:07:08 [kerry]
-kerry
21:11:15 [phila]
zakim, bye
21:11:15 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were eparsons, CoryHenson, Frans, kerry, ClemensPortele, ahaller2, phila, Linda, +1.650.724.aaaa, MattPerry, RaulGarciaCastro, aharth,
21:11:15 [Zakim]
Zakim has left #sdw
21:11:19 [Zakim]
... Simon, JoshLieberman, Adila, KJanowicz, LarsG, Payam, AndreaPerego, Alejandro_Llaves, KarlG
21:11:22 [phila]
RRSAgent, bye
21:11:22 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items