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14:40:14 <Steven> 	Steven	zakim, I am ?
14:40:15 <Steven> 	Zakim	+Steven; got it
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14:40:19 <Steven> 15:03	Steven	Chair: Steven
14:40:20 <Steven> 	Steven	Regrets: Philip, Nick
14:40:21 <Steven> 15:04	Steven	Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Feb/0013.html
14:40:23 <Steven> 	Steven	Topic: Finish off Section 11
14:40:24 <Steven> 	Steven	http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#XForms_Actions
14:40:25 <Steven> 	Zakim	+Dimitris
14:40:26 <Steven> 	Zakim	-Dimitris
14:40:27 <Steven> 15:05	Steven	Steven: I have one more comment in section 11
14:40:28 <Steven> 	Steven	http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_dispatch_Element
14:40:29 <Steven> 15:06	Steven	"If a run-time element is destroyed, then any delayed events targeted at that element are removed from the delayed event queue. A run-time element may be destroyed for a number of reasons, including shutdown of the form or removal of form controls associated by a repeat with an instance data node that is destroyed."
14:40:33 <Steven> 15:07	Steven	Erik: dipatch requires identifying a target
14:40:34 <Steven> 	Steven	s/dip/disp/
14:40:35 <Steven> 15:08	Steven	Steven: Do we refer to "run-time elements being destroyed" anywhere else?
14:40:37 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: 9.4.1
14:40:38 <Steven> 	ebruchez	"A repeat object is an implicitly generated group element that contains the set of run-time objects generated to represent the repeat template content for a single repeat item of the repeat collection. These run-time objects are form controls, XForms actions and other host language elements that correspond to markup content in the repeat template. If an item of the repeat collection is non-relevant, then the rendering approach used to
14:40:43 <Steven> signify non-relev[CUT]
14:40:44 <Steven> 	ebruchez	applied to the user interface controls of the associated repeat object."
14:40:45 <Steven> 15:09	Steven	Steven: All "run-time objects".
14:40:46 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: In the repeat section it talks about repeat objects.
14:40:47 <Steven> 15:10	Steven	Steven: What is the intention of this section?
14:40:48 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: You can't dispatch to an element that doesn't exist.
14:40:49 <Steven> 15:11	Steven	... like in a repeat
14:40:50 <Steven> 15:12	Steven	Steven: An event is dispatched to the current item in a repeat.
14:40:51 <Steven> 15:13	Steven	Erik: The one at the time the action is run, not when it is actually dispatched after a delay.
14:40:53 <Steven> 	Steven	... so something might have changed
14:40:54 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: In fact there may be no element at all when it comes to be dispatched.
14:40:56 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: Yes.
14:40:57 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: So you're happy with this wording?
14:40:58 <Steven> 15:14	Steven	Erik: You could change "element" to "object"
14:40:59 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: I'm OK if you are with it.
14:41:00 <Steven> 15:15	Steven	 Steven: Any more comments on 11?
14:41:01 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: I still have to review section 11.
14:41:02 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: So there may still be some to come.
14:41:03 <Steven> 	Steven	Topic: Section 12
14:41:04 <Steven> 	Steven	http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Conformance
14:41:05 <Steven> 15:16	Steven	Alain: It only mentions XPath 1.0
14:41:06 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: That was one of my comments too.
14:41:07 <Steven> 15:18	Steven	Steven: With a "Model processor" do we need to mention JSON as external format?
14:41:09 <Steven> 15:19	Steven	Erik: We don't want to make many features options, right?
14:41:10 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: Right.
14:41:11 <Steven> 	Steven	... so a must a MUST or a SHOULD
14:41:12 <Steven> 15:20	Steven	Erik: Submission is a SHOULD
14:41:13 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: I was surprised by that on reflection
14:41:14 <Steven> 15:21	Steven	... ODF is a model processor, because it has a different UI module
14:41:15 <Steven> 15:22	Steven	Erik: Does it have submission?
14:41:16 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: [looks] Yes, it does.
14:41:17 <Steven> 15:23	Steven	Steven: So should we make JSON a MUST.
14:41:18 <Steven> 15:24	Steven	Erik: Yes.
14:41:19 <Steven> 	Steven	Alain: Agree.
14:41:20 <Steven> 	Steven	ACTION: Steven to add JSON to specification of Model Processor
14:41:21 <Steven> 		trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
14:41:22 <Steven> 	trackbot	Created ACTION-2011 - Add json to specification of model processor [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
14:41:24 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: And make submission a MUST as well?
14:41:25 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: Right.
14:41:26 <Steven> 15:25	Steven	ACTION: Steven to make submission a MUST in Model Processor
14:41:27 <Steven> 		trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
14:41:28 <Steven> 	trackbot	Created ACTION-2012 - Make submission a must in model processor [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
14:41:30 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: And we have a SHOULD for <group> in full. I don't see why.
14:41:31 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: I'm in favour of making that a must.
14:41:32 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: Agree.
14:41:33 <Steven> 	Steven	Alain: Me too
14:41:34 <Steven> 15:26	Steven	Erik: Same for toggle and switch
14:41:35 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: Agree
14:41:36 <Steven> 15:27	Steven	Alain: Agree
14:41:37 <Steven> 	Steven	ACTION: Steven to make toggle, switch a MUST
14:41:38 <Steven> 		trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
14:41:39 <Steven> 	trackbot	Created ACTION-2013 - Make toggle, switch a must [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
14:41:41 <Steven> 15:28	Steven	Steven: It says only SHOULD for https.... do we agree?
14:41:42 <Steven> 15:29	Steven	Erik: We changed the examples to use https... if anything there is more.
14:41:44 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: It's sending the wrong message in a way.
14:41:45 <Steven> 15:30	Steven	Erik: You could imagine very restrictive examples where https is not needed,
14:41:47 <Steven> 	Steven	... but for "full" I think we should require it.
14:41:48 <Steven> 15:31	Steven	Erik: It is ahrd to implement file: scheme
14:41:49 <Steven> 	Steven	s/ahrd/hard/
14:41:51 <Steven> 	Steven	Alain: We partially implement it, but the user has to allow it via a dialog
14:41:52 <Steven> 	Steven	... but it is useful.
14:41:53 <Steven> 15:32	Steven	Erik: Webapps don't normally use the file store
14:41:54 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: They use local data
14:41:55 <Steven> 15:33	Steven	Erik: I think https should be a MUST
14:41:56 <Steven> 15:34	Steven	Alain: Agree
14:41:57 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: file: a MAY
14:41:58 <Steven> 	Steven	Alain: Agree
14:41:59 <Steven> 	Steven	ACTION: Steven to make https a MUST, file: a MAY
14:42:00 <Steven> 		trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
14:42:01 <Steven> 	trackbot	Created ACTION-2014 - Make https a must, file: a may [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
14:42:03 <Steven> 15:36	Steven	Topic: AOB
14:42:04 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: For next week we should review the rest of the spec, glossary, refs, and examples.
14:42:06 <Steven> 15:37	Zakim	-Steven
14:42:07 <Steven> 	Zakim	-[IPcaller]
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14:42:10 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: You're back home next week Erik?
14:42:11 <Steven> 	Steven	Erik: Yes
14:42:12 <Steven> 	Steven	Steven: OK, so call at regular time
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14:51:06 <Steven> Meeting: XForms
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14:57:53 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Feb/0013.html
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14:59:03 <Steven> Present: Steven, Alain, Erik
14:59:12 <Steven> Regrets: Nick, Philip
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