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14:57:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:57:52 <trackbot> Date: 12 February 2015
14:58:10 <nigel> nigel has changed the topic to: Timed Text Working Group: Meeting today 1500 UTC
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15:03:13 <glenn> having an audio problem, one moment please
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15:04:12 <nigel> Present: nigel, jdsmith
15:04:34 <nigel> Regrets: frans, pal
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15:06:02 <nigel> Present+ glenn
15:06:04 <nigel> chair: nigel
15:06:09 <nigel> scribeNick: nigel
15:08:38 <nigel> Topic: This meeting
15:08:44 <nigel> nigel: summarises agenda. AOB?
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15:08:55 <nigel> group: no AOB
15:08:57 <tmichel> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:08:57 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as ??P3, tmichel
15:09:54 <nigel> nigel: Since we're around a week later than previously expected in publishing the TTML2 FPWD
15:10:02 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
15:10:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see nigel, jdsmith, glenn
15:10:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see glenn, jdsmith, Zakim, RRSAgent, nigel, tmichel, trackbot
15:10:14 <nigel> nigel: I've dropped the dates back by a week on the publication timeline.
15:10:44 <nigel> glenn: Realistically I don't think we'll hit the 5th March date for any additional edits deferred from
15:11:06 <Zakim> +??P5
15:11:20 <tmichel> zakim, ??P5 is me
15:11:20 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
15:11:25 <nigel> ... the FPWD.
15:11:38 <nigel> s/.../glenn:
15:16:33 <nigel> nigel: Okay, the current timeline is "at risk" right now for resourcing reasons.
15:17:13 <nigel> tmichel: The FPWD should be published later today. The document has been redated to Feb 12.
15:17:30 <nigel> ... Other than that it's the same. Unfortunately, next time we have to send to the webmaster we
15:17:40 <nigel> ... have to send it 3 days in advance. On the day is too late.
15:18:50 <nigel> Topic: Action Items
15:19:08 <nigel> nigel: I'll come back to Action-369 later because it's really about issues.
15:19:13 <nigel> action-370?
15:19:13 <trackbot> action-370 -- Nigel Megitt to Send dece liaison asking for imsc 1 test criteria -- due 2015-02-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:19:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/370
15:20:03 <nigel> action-370: Mike has responded and included the requested material.
15:20:03 <trackbot> Notes added to action-370 Send dece liaison asking for imsc 1 test criteria.
15:20:11 <nigel> close action-370
15:20:11 <trackbot> Closed action-370.
15:20:32 <nigel> Action: pal Consider how to process and make available the DECE test criteria provided
15:20:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-373 - Consider how to process and make available the dece test criteria provided [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2015-02-19].
15:20:42 <nigel> action-371?
15:20:42 <trackbot> action-371 -- Nigel Megitt to Create a meeting page on the wiki for the f2f -- due 2015-02-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:20:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/371
15:21:21 <nigel> nigel: Thierry kindly did this. The page is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/F2F-april-2015
15:21:26 <nigel> close action-371
15:21:26 <trackbot> Closed action-371.
15:21:59 <nigel> action-372?
15:21:59 <trackbot> action-372 -- Nigel Megitt to Review requirements conformance in Annex L of TTML2 -- due 2015-02-17 -- OPEN
15:21:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/372
15:23:06 <nigel> nigel: I raised this in the week because I noticed that Annex L needs to be updated. I've done
15:23:47 <nigel> ... a first pass analysis but not sure where to take it from there - anyone else want to take it on?
15:23:59 <nigel> glenn: Thanks for doing that - it looks good at a high level. When I get to the point of doing the
15:24:11 <nigel> ... update I'll focus on the current analysis and comment at that time if there's any difference of
15:24:13 <nigel> ... opinion.
15:25:49 <nigel> close action-372
15:25:49 <trackbot> Closed action-372.
15:27:29 <nigel> nigel: I've just raised issue-370 to implement the changes indicated by the analysis in Action-372.
15:27:34 <nigel> reopen issue-370
15:27:34 <trackbot> Re-opened issue-370.
15:27:49 <nigel> nigel: Related to this is Issue-369 which also includes an edit to that section
15:27:52 <nigel> issue-369?
15:27:52 <trackbot> issue-369 -- The R### numbers in Annex L are not all correct -- raised
15:27:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/369
15:27:56 <nigel> reopen issue-369
15:27:56 <trackbot> Re-opened issue-369.
15:28:34 <nigel> Topic: F2F
15:30:06 <nigel> glenn: I've got a proposal for Harrah's on the 9th and 10th which I think will be okay, and am
15:30:52 <nigel> ... getting an alternate quote. I think we'll succeed in this.
15:31:29 <nigel> glenn: I'll look to wrap this up by the end of today so we can confirm.
15:32:13 <nigel> tmichel: Usually the F2F meeting dates and locations should be defined 8 weeks in advance.
15:32:22 <nigel> jdsmith. We're 8 weeks exactly from 9th April today.
15:32:41 <nigel> tmichel: If someone is unhappy with the schedule they could veto if there's less than 8 weeks notice.
15:34:19 <nigel> Action: glenn confirm F2F location and update wiki and send details to the reflector.
15:34:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-374 - Confirm f2f location and update wiki and send details to the reflector. [on Glenn Adams - due 2015-02-19].
15:38:03 <nigel> Topic: Change Proposals
15:38:16 <nigel> nigel: I just want to note that we had some CPs that were marked as needing to be done before
15:38:40 <nigel> ... FPWD but they weren't fully completed - however we did discuss them and considered that
15:38:51 <nigel> ... they were complete enough to proceed with FPWD albeit requiring further work.
15:39:01 <nigel> ... So I reassigned all of them to Priority 2 instead.
15:39:20 <nigel> glenn: Fine with me - I was going to suggest the same.
15:39:41 <nigel> Topic: Issues
15:39:46 <nigel> action-369?
15:39:46 <trackbot> action-369 -- Nigel Megitt to Collate smpte issues and draft dispositions and circulate on reflector as a precursor to a liaison -- due 2015-02-05 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:39:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/369
15:40:59 <nigel> nigel: Pierre suggested this action. In doing it I had some queries and also noted that we have
15:41:16 <nigel> ... a clear disposition and completion on the issues for most of the requests from SMPTE.
15:41:57 <nigel> nigel: The first query is on Ruby annotations. I'm not clear if we've fully or only partially met the request.
15:43:24 <nigel> glenn: I can only assert that I think I've met the requirements. It's up to the requestor to identify
15:43:27 <nigel> ... if that's not the case.
15:43:47 <nigel> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Feb/0015.html
15:44:41 <nigel> glenn: On the Ruby, we do have position before and after, and also a third option "around", which
15:44:58 <nigel> ... came up when analysing Japanese usage for 2-line captions - Ruby on 1st line is "before" and
15:45:22 <nigel> ... on 2nd line is "after". I don't know about >2 lines so I adopted all-but-last line: "before".
15:45:45 <nigel> ... The offset is not constrained to -1em. It could go to -infinity. So both of those points are met.
15:45:57 <nigel> nigel: The second query is whether or not mixed vertical-horizontal progression direction
15:46:03 <nigel> ... requires the use of tts:textOrientation?
15:46:36 <nigel> glenn: It does not requires the use of tts:textOrientation, but it may take it into account in
15:46:40 <nigel> ... producing the result.
15:47:17 <nigel> nigel: So with horizontal in vertical you don't have to fix up the orientation of the horizontal,
15:47:21 <nigel> ... it happens automatically?
15:47:36 <nigel> glenn: That's correct.
15:47:49 <nigel> ... There was some discussion about the em square, because the examples from SMPTE show
15:48:30 <nigel> ... a horizontal segment that extends outside of the bounds of the line area. I pointed out to Pierre
15:48:48 <nigel> ... that the language re formatting is rather vague and its implementation dependent how it
15:49:01 <nigel> ... reduces the font size or changes the line height to make it fit. I'm sure Pierre will want to
15:49:07 <nigel> ... express a view on this at some point.
15:49:40 <nigel> nigel: Thanks, I think I'm clear on the disposition now.
15:50:01 <nigel> glenn: Your question is interesting though - let's say that there's a span with tts:textOrientation of
15:50:20 <nigel> ... sideways and a tts:textCombine, would that say to the client, "don't attempt to lay it out horizontally"?
15:50:40 <nigel> ... That would sort of counter-act the request for the textCombine. That's an interesting open
15:51:01 <nigel> ... question - I don't even know if the CSS folks have thought of that point.
15:51:27 <nigel> glenn: It wouldn't hurt for us to liaise with them at the right point, after we've worked out what
15:51:41 <nigel> ... we think it should do on this point. For example, I raised the Ruby offset property with them
15:51:53 <nigel> ... and they're starting to address that point but they're doing it in a different way than I would
15:52:09 <nigel> ... have expected. They want to use the relative positioning mechanism that's already in CSS to
15:52:24 <nigel> ... handle that. I'm leaving ruby offset in as we've specced it.
15:54:00 <nigel> nigel: Thanks for that! I don't think we're quorate to close Pending Review issues now. Anything
15:54:04 <nigel> ... else on the above before I adjourn?
15:54:30 <nigel> glenn: I think the draft dispositions is good as it will help us respond.
15:54:42 <nigel> nigel: Team effort - Pierre suggested it, I did it, you clarified the answers!
15:54:59 <tmichel> Bye
15:55:04 <Zakim> -glenn
15:55:05 <Zakim> -jdsmith
15:55:06 <Zakim> -tmichel
15:55:13 <nigel> nigel: Thanks everyone - meet again same time next week. [adjourns meeting]
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16:07:14 <nigel> i/Topic: Change Proposals/nigel: To meet the 8 week notice period Action-374 needs to be completed today.
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