IRC log of i18n on 2015-02-12
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc
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- 14:59:56 [aphillip]
- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Feb/0010.html
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- Date: 12 February 2015
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- Chair: Addison Phllips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Regrets+ Felix
- 15:00:27 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:01:02 [r12a]
- zakim, dial richard please
- 15:01:02 [Zakim]
- ok, r12a; the call is being made
- 15:01:03 [aphillip]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:01:05 [Zakim]
- I18N_WG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
- 15:01:05 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
- 15:01:23 [aphillip]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:01:23 [Zakim]
- I18N_WG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
- 15:02:29 [r12a]
- zakim, this is i18n
- 15:02:29 [Zakim]
- ok, r12a; that matches I18N_WG()10:00AM
- 15:02:46 [r12a]
- zakim, who's here?
- 15:02:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see DennisTan, +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard
- 15:02:47 [aphillip]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:49 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
- 15:02:49 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see DennisTan, +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard
- 15:02:49 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
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- + +1.408.536.aabb
- 15:03:07 [aphillip]
- zakim, +1.813 is Steve_Atkin
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- +Steve_Atkin; got it
- 15:03:10 [r12a]
- zakim, dial richard-home
- 15:03:10 [Zakim]
- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +koji
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- +Richard
- 15:03:22 [aphillip]
- zakim, +1.408 is Leandro
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- +Leandro; got it
- 15:03:57 [r12a]
- zakim, drop richard
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- 'richard' is ambiguous, r12a
- 15:04:38 [aphillip]
- Topic: Agenda
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- Topic: Action Items
- 15:05:21 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- action-113?
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- action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113
- 15:05:48 [aphillip]
- richard: done but for final prep
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- ... and a few summaries
- 15:06:01 [aphillip]
- ... sent email to Aharon asking for text
- 15:06:06 [aphillip]
- ... haven't heard back yet
- 15:06:11 [aphillip]
- ... did a lot of work on it
- 15:06:50 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/html-bidi-requirements/editme.html
- 15:06:54 [aphillip]
- addison: public review?
- 15:07:03 [aphillip]
- richard: no, just updating status
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- addison: all, look it over.
- 15:07:40 [aphillip]
- richard: tbds for missing stuff
- 15:07:50 [aphillip]
- ... added the google doc as an appendix
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- ... updated links
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- ... checked html quotes
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- ... should be close
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- action-363?
- 15:09:04 [trackbot]
- action-363 -- Addison Phillips to Follow up with membership on hackathon planning for (e.g.) iri/idn or encoding tests -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
- 15:09:04 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/363
- 15:09:08 [aphillip]
- addison: will write something
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- action-364?
- 15:09:12 [trackbot]
- action-364 -- Richard Ishida to Document how "sticky" language negotiation is done in our pages as an article -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
- 15:09:12 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/364
- 15:09:17 [aphillip]
- richard: in progress
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- action-399?
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- action-399 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Update article "an introduction to multilingual web addresses" -- due 2015-02-12 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/399
- 15:11:27 [aphillip]
- dennis: working on it
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- action: richard: send source text for "intro to web addresses" to Dennis
- 15:13:11 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-401 - Send source text for "intro to web addresses" to dennis [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-02-19].
- 15:13:39 [aphillip]
- action-400??
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- action-400 -- Addison Phillips to Follow up with new es-402 owner for status of es i18n work -- due 2015-02-12 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/400
- 15:13:46 [aphillip]
- close action-400
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- Closed action-400.
- 15:14:08 [aphillip]
- addison: wrote to rick waldron
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- -Richard
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- zakim, drop richard
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- -Richard
- 15:14:21 [r12a]
- zakim, dial richard-home
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
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- ... will write again for further status
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- Topic: Info Share
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: RADAR and Active Work Review
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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- Steve: looked over linked data patch
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- ... schedule for upcoming call
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- addison: add to next week's agenda
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- Steve: will shepherd Latin Layout Requirements
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
- 15:20:02 [aphillip]
- Topic: qa-no-language needs update
- 15:20:09 [aphillip]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Feb/0008.html
- 15:20:35 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-no-language-alt
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:21:14 [aphillip]
- richard: would like to publish and make live, unless someone has comments?
- 15:21:24 [aphillip]
- ... basically I brought it up to date
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- ... pushed XML and XML Schema out to "advanced topics"
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- ... said that lang couldn't be null, but you can in HTML5 so now fixed
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- objections to publishing?
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- (none noted)
- 15:22:33 [aphillip]
- action: richard: make new version of qa-no-language live
- 15:22:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-402 - Make new version of qa-no-language live [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-02-19].
- 15:22:49 [aphillip]
- Topic: XLST 3.0 I18N-ISSUE-394
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27615
- 15:27:33 [aphillip]
- action: addison: write to xslt folks asking if bug 27615 is likely to be addressed, e.g. do they have plans for a future edition
- 15:27:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-403 - Write to xslt folks asking if bug 27615 is likely to be addressed, e.g. do they have plans for a future edition [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-19].
- 15:28:01 [aphillip]
- Topic: Charmod-Norm edits
- 15:28:08 [aphillip]
- http://www.inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-20150207.html#unicodeControls
- 15:29:29 [aphillip]
- addison: made these edits
- 15:34:18 [aphillip]
- addison: Applications -> specification
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- richard: applications too. much of the pain is when doing e.g. in page search
- 15:34:50 [aphillip]
- ... may have different case for identifiers
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- ... IDN bans these
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- addison: stringprep removes them?
- 15:36:19 [aphillip]
- ... need to add a section to searching block
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- richard: pass by unicode
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- dennis: utr46 discusses a few of these
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- ... idna 2003 v. 2008 different for ZWJ, ZWNJ, etc.
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- ... can check if they are valid in IDNA
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- action: dennis: check on zwj and friends in IDNA so that we can document in charmod-norm
- 15:38:48 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-404 - Check on zwj and friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm [on Dennis Tan Tanaka - due 2015-02-19].
- 15:40:00 [aphillip]
- addison: will word smith, add requirement for string searching
- 15:40:27 [aphillip]
- Topic: LTLI updated draft?
- 15:40:35 [aphillip]
- http://www.inter-locale.com/w3c/ltli/LTLI.html
- 15:42:01 [aphillip]
- addison: further edits of the top section with definitions
- 15:42:09 [aphillip]
- ... would like to publish new WD soon-ish
- 15:42:34 [aphillip]
- Topic: Bopomofo/zhuyin accent positioning
- 15:42:46 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:43:11 [aphillip]
- Topic: Indic script initial cap
- 15:43:41 [aphillip]
- richard: sent response (see on public-i18n-indic list) asking more question of somnath
- 15:43:43 [somnath]
- q+
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- ack somnath
- 15:44:43 [r12a]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-indic/2015JanMar/0020.html
- 15:45:00 [somnath]
- need few days time for resolving feedback from richard. early next week podsible
- 15:45:19 [aphillip]
- thanks somnath
- 15:45:44 [aphillip]
- Topic: time zone thread on www-international@
- 15:46:11 [aphillip]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015JanMar/0058.html
- 15:46:56 [aphillip]
- addison: in this thread cameron jones suggests using bcp47 language tags for time zone
- 15:52:59 [aphillip]
- Topic: AOB?
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- koji: at last tpac
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- ... notes for justification
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- richard: is this about where to put notes about justification and that sort of thing?
- 15:55:01 [Leandro]
- Need to sign out - til next week
- 15:55:05 [aphillip]
- ... fantasai said it would be nice to have a wiki about that
- 15:55:05 [Zakim]
- -Leandro
- 15:55:20 [aphillip]
- richard: we have two things
- 15:55:29 [r12a]
- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks
- 15:55:52 [aphillip]
- ... first a wiki page pointing to requirements, specs, and tests at w3c
- 15:56:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:56:07 [r12a]
- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks#Alignment_and_justification
- 15:56:22 [aphillip]
- richard: that's tying existing documents
- 15:56:24 [r12a]
- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links
- 15:56:28 [aphillip]
- ... more recently I made the above
- 15:56:34 [aphillip]
- ... which is waiting to be filled in, really
- 15:56:44 [aphillip]
- ... parking space for information about typography
- 15:57:02 [aphillip]
- ... so two articles about justification in arabic currently
- 15:57:10 [aphillip]
- ... three if you count urdu
- 15:57:19 [aphillip]
- ... if anyone on this call or reading minutes have additional information
- 15:57:29 [aphillip]
- ... but layout of latin or non-latin scripts
- 15:57:40 [aphillip]
- ... want to make sure they are good/reliable articles
- 15:57:46 [aphillip]
- ... but welcome input
- 15:58:15 [aphillip]
- koji: wasn't clear from tpac minutes what kind of articles were discussed
- 15:58:20 [aphillip]
- richard: this is more recent
- 15:59:21 [aphillip]
- koji: what kind of documents you were discussing?
- 15:59:31 [aphillip]
- addison: need to refresh our memories
- 15:59:31 [Zakim]
- -DennisTan
- 15:59:32 [DennisTan]
- I have to drop off. Thank you and good bye
- 16:00:06 [aphillip]
- richard: created first as a "checklist" for layout requirements
- 16:00:17 [aphillip]
- ... offshoot from visit to china
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- ... second wiki I did because of ebook discussion
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- ... been meaning to do something
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- ... not a response to tpac
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- Topic: AOB?
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- -Steve_Atkin
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- -aphillip
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- -koji
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- -Richard
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- I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were DennisTan, +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard, +1.408.536.aabb, Steve_Atkin, koji, Leandro
- 16:02:58 [aphillip]
- Present: Addison, Richard, Steve, Dennis, Koji, Leandro, Somnath (via IRC)
- 16:03:02 [aphillip]
- Regrets+ JcK
- 16:03:07 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:03:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 16:03:29 [aphillip]
- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- s/podsible/possible/
- 16:04:26 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:04:26 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 16:04:57 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:04:57 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: richard: send source text for "intro to web addresses" to Dennis [1]
- 16:04:57 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-13-10
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- ACTION: richard: make new version of qa-no-language live [2]
- 16:04:57 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-22-33
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- ACTION: addison: write to xslt folks asking if bug 27615 is likely to be addressed, e.g. do they have plans for a future edition [3]
- 16:04:57 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-27-33
- 16:04:57 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: dennis: check on zwj and friends in IDNA so that we can document in charmod-norm [4]
- 16:04:57 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-38-48
- 16:04:59 [aphillip]
- zakim, bye
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- Zakim has left #i18n