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16:01:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
16:01:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 61 minutes ago
16:01:20 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16:01:20 <trackbot> Date: 05 February 2015
16:01:27 <chaals1> zakim, this is 2119
16:01:28 <Zakim> chaals1, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 2119".
16:01:37 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
16:01:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:45 <Zakim> +??P12
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16:02:09 <chaals1> zakim, [ip is me
16:02:09 <Zakim> +chaals1; got it
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16:02:17 <chaals1> zakim, ??p12 is janina
16:02:17 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:02:20 <janina> zakim, ??P12
16:02:20 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P12', janina
16:02:27 <chaals1> zakim, who is making noise?
16:02:29 <janina> zakim, ?P12 is me
16:02:29 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '?P12'
16:02:33 <Zakim> +ShaneM
16:02:37 <Zakim> chaals1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (16%), janina (10%), chaals1 (76%)
16:03:05 <chaals1> zakim, mute janina
16:03:05 <Zakim> janina should now be muted
16:03:17 <chaals1> zakim, mute me
16:03:17 <Zakim> chaals1 should now be muted
16:03:38 <chaals1> zakim, unmute me
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16:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.617.319.aaaa
16:04:51 <chaals> zakim, aaaa is MarkS
16:04:51 <Zakim> +MarkS; got it
16:04:56 <chaals> zakim, agenda?
16:04:56 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
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16:05:33 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
16:05:37 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:05:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina (muted), chaals1, [IPcaller], ShaneM, JF, Joanmarie_Diggs, MarkS
16:05:38 <chaals> Chair: Chaals
16:05:39 <chaals> agenda+ Any other items for the agenda?
16:05:39 <chaals> agenda+ Action item review - https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
16:05:39 <chaals> agenda+ Proposed Work Items - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force , http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
16:05:39 <chaals> agenda+ Web Payments work (chaals)
16:05:48 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:05:48 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
16:05:53 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 1
16:05:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Any other items for the agenda?" taken up [from chaals]
16:06:10 <MarkS> Topic: Transcripts
16:06:13 <chaals> agenda+ transcript
16:06:24 <JF> https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ISSUE-194/TranscriptElement
16:06:34 <MarkS> JF: Back before plan 2014, Media sub team did work on this.  quite a bit
16:07:12 <MarkS> ...Syliva  Pfeiffer, chaals, janina and I met a number of times to iron out a proposal.  we ended up with transcript element and transcript attribute
16:07:15 <chaals> s|https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ISSUE-194/TranscriptElement|-> https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ISSUE-194/TranscriptElement Use cases and stuff for a transcript element, attribute…
16:07:20 <MarkS> ...apple wanted to have the link visible on page
16:07:50 <MarkS> ...put together a change proposal, never had a decision from chairs
16:07:50 <MarkS> ...probably our best place to start
16:07:56 <MarkS> ...4 different use cases and examples in the wild
16:08:13 <MarkS> ...satisfies all of the req in the Media Accessibility User Requirements doc
16:08:34 <MarkS> ...video element would take transcript element which would take an ID
16:08:50 <MarkS> s/element/attribute
16:09:03 <MarkS> ...the the transcript attribute would point to transcript element
16:09:15 <MarkS> ...this should satisfy apple's requirements
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16:09:51 <MarkS> ...its very complete.  should be a great place to start.  includes use cases
16:10:03 <Zakim> +Adrian_Roselli
16:10:10 <MarkS> ...if we can get wider review from this group, we should be able to start an extension spec
16:10:18 <chaals> q?
16:10:59 <MarkS> CN: I would encourage everyone to look at the use cases and reqs stuff very carefully.  We should be clear that these are right
16:11:18 <MarkS> JF: I think we spent at least 5-6 hours working collaboratively on this.
16:11:25 <Zakim> +??P3
16:11:26 <MarkS> ...its very comprehensive
16:11:53 <IanPouncey> Zakim, P3 is me
16:11:53 <Zakim> sorry, IanPouncey, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'
16:11:53 <chaals> zakim, ??p3 is IanP
16:11:54 <Zakim> +IanP; got it
16:12:17 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
16:12:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action item review - https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from chaals]
16:12:40 <chaals> close action-300
16:12:40 <trackbot> Closed action-300.
16:12:48 <MarkS> CN: we can close JF's action item
16:13:06 <chaals> action-298
16:13:06 <trackbot> action-298 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Set the focus management discussion up in html wg -- due 2015-01-22 -- OPEN
16:13:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/298
16:13:08 <MarkS> ...298, is still open
16:13:19 <MarkS> JF: you can close 301
16:13:42 <MarkS> CN: Shane alt doc changes, do you want to put that on agenda
16:14:00 <MarkS> SM: not this week, lets do it next week
16:14:15 <MarkS> CN: Coordinate with WCAG chairs.  I've contacted them
16:14:20 <MarkS> SM: you can close 302
16:14:31 <MarkS> CN: 303 is due in a week then
16:14:34 <chaals> action-303 due in 1 week
16:14:34 <trackbot> Set action-303 Present alt doc changes due date to 2015-02-12.
16:14:40 <chaals> close action-302
16:14:40 <trackbot> Closed action-302.
16:14:44 <chaals> close action-304
16:14:44 <trackbot> Closed action-304.
16:15:19 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
16:15:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Proposed Work Items - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force , http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist" taken up [from chaals]
16:15:47 <MarkS> CN: looking to finalize our work items
16:16:04 <MarkS> ...should be accurate for at least the  next 6 months (or until completion)
16:16:10 <MarkS> ...possible to take on new work as well
16:16:22 <MarkS> ...we've been working from the wishlist
16:16:50 <MarkS> ...in about a week, I would hope to have a call for consensus on our work items
16:17:01 <MarkS> ...it will be in a wiki page.
16:17:18 <MarkS> ...make it easier to keep it up to date
16:17:50 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-ru
16:17:50 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:17:52 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:17:56 <MarkS> LW: i picked up the date picker stuff from last week
16:18:04 <LJWatson> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Datepickers
16:18:48 <chaals> zakim, drop chaals
16:18:48 <Zakim> Chaals is being disconnected
16:18:49 <Zakim> -Chaals
16:18:55 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-ru
16:18:55 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
16:18:57 <Zakim> +Chaals
16:19:30 <Zakim> -chaals1
16:19:41 <Zakim> -Adrian_Roselli
16:19:48 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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16:20:33 <MarkS> CN: sins, are you going to do menu work, slated for this summer
16:20:39 <MarkS> s/sins/cyns
16:20:57 <Zakim> +Adrian_Roselli
16:20:58 <MarkS> CS: Fall is actually more likely
16:21:25 <MarkS> ...i will look at it this summer, but it will take longer to complete the work
16:22:05 <MarkS> CN: we're trying to keep the work statement accurate.  we may not want to put it on there now.  we are putting work items on wiki, so it will be easier to keep up to date
16:22:10 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:22:21 <MarkS> ...may want to hold off putting it on there until later then.
16:22:32 <MarkS> ...any more on work item/statement stuff
16:22:34 <chaals> zakim, who is here?
16:22:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina (muted), LJWatson, ShaneM, JF, Joanmarie_Diggs, MarkS, IanP, Chaals, Cynthia_Shelly, Adrian_Roselli, David_MacDonald
16:22:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cyns, IanPouncey, aardrian, LJWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, JF, ShaneM, newtron, chaals, sivoais, joanie, MarkS, cabanier, janina, trackbot
16:22:48 <MarkS> LW: I talked to brian kardell about moving panel work into this space.
16:23:31 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
16:23:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Web Payments work (chaals)" taken up [from chaals]
16:24:09 <MarkS> CN: this is something we should keep an eye on.  I have a task to get more info on this work
16:24:14 <ShaneM> q+ to mention my (notional) involvement in web payments
16:24:16 <MarkS> ...there was a workshop on this yesterday
16:24:31 <MarkS> ...there are some documents around that people can review.links:
16:24:39 <chaals> -> http://opencreds.org/specs/source/use-cases/ CG use cases - being provided to the IG as input
16:25:20 <MarkS> ...one of the things that the payments group is doing is that they want to make sure they meet accessibility requirements
16:25:46 <MarkS> ...think PF may want to keep an open dialog with this group
16:26:17 <chaals> -> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webpayments/raw-file/default/latest/use-cases/index.html Use cases for payment
16:26:23 <MarkS> ...they are also clear that they don't want to do this only in their own tiny space, they want to open it up to other experts from other groups, like HTML, a11y ,etc
16:26:36 <chaals> s|-> http://opencreds.org/specs/source/use-cases/ CG use cases - being provided to the IG as input||
16:26:55 <MarkS> ...they have a draft document of use cases.  I thought it was hard to understand as a non-web-payments person.  the minutiae of the web payments system
16:27:04 <MarkS> ...hoping it will become more clear
16:27:39 <MarkS> ...there are many issues in the use cases that are not HTML specific, but interesting nonetheless (from and a11y perspective)
16:27:48 <MarkS> ...its a complex and important space
16:27:53 <JF> Q+
16:28:04 <chaals> ack sha
16:28:04 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to mention my (notional) involvement in web payments
16:28:26 <JF> ack JF
16:28:31 <MarkS> SM: I just wanted to say that I have been monitoring this and credentialing work.  I will be ramping up my activity in web payments, so I will keep a close eye on this.
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16:29:11 <MarkS> JF: shane answered my question.  I was hoping we had people dedicated to this.  I know chaals, katie haritos shea and now shane, so that's good
16:29:39 <MarkS> CN: The chair of the group, david E is not someone many of us know, but he is interested in supporting a11y.  technical guy.
16:30:05 <MarkS> Topic: face to face meetings
16:30:25 <MarkS> CN: waiting for decisions from HTML and WebApps.  seems like HTML group will meet in Redmond
16:31:09 <MarkS> ...if you are going to that meeting, good.  it will be HTML focused, but encourage a11y reps to attend if they can.
16:31:49 <MarkS> ...proposed dates are 13-17 of april
16:32:45 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:32:55 <MarkS> CN: informal note.  if anyone is going to CSUN, the SVG a11y people are going to try to get together to do some technical work
16:33:18 <MarkS> ...RS will know more
16:33:28 <MarkS> RS: yes.
16:33:34 <MarkS> ...Tuesday night
16:34:12 <Zakim> -ShaneM
16:34:18 <MarkS> CN: meeting adjourned
16:34:22 <chaals> [adjourned]
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16:35:04 <Zakim> Attendees were chaals1, janina, ShaneM, JF, Joanmarie_Diggs, +1.617.319.aaaa, MarkS, LJWatson, Adrian_Roselli, IanP, Chaals, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:35:10 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
16:35:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/05-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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