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14:24:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:24:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:24:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:24:46 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2015
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14:28:12 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:28:18 <Zakim> +Markku
14:28:27 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:28:27 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:28:28 <Zakim> +Shadi
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14:30:14 <mhakkinen> zakim, markku is mhakkinen
14:30:14 <Zakim> +mhakkinen; got it
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14:31:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:31:17 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:31:17 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:31:25 <Zakim> +[FIT]
14:31:47 <Yehya> zakim, [FIT] is me
14:31:47 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:31:56 <Vivienne> regrets: Simon Harper, Silvia Mirri, David Sloan, Annika Nietzio, Klaus Miesenberger
14:37:10 <mhakkinen> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-030215/results
14:37:47 <Vivienne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accreditation
14:38:16 <shadi> Topic: Section "Introduction"
14:38:21 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-030215/results#xint
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14:39:52 <shadi> MH: looked up some definitions of accreditation
14:40:27 <shadi> ...often tends to accredit a body or person to perform certification
14:40:48 <shadi> ...just some semantic issues with the term "accreditation"
14:41:07 <shadi> VC: agree, usually a body that certifies
14:44:57 <shadi> MH: what about conformance?
14:50:03 <Vivienne> Possibly use the title of "Accessibility Declaration"
14:50:27 <Vivienne> It could include a declaration you make yourself - could be broadly used
14:51:52 <shadi> SAZ: conformance is a state. a statement declares conformance (or progress towards conformance). accreditation is declaration of competency to make declarations.
14:52:24 <shadi> YM: declarations can also include self-declarations
14:55:38 <shadi> SAZ: limit to websites or also include the broader aspects of web accessibility?
14:55:42 <Vivienne> SA: do we include discussions on the accessibility of tools, UAAG etc
14:55:46 <shadi> MH: think the latter
14:57:06 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:57:06 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:57:36 <shadi> SAZ: think we can still keep it brief, but mention tools and people where relevant
14:57:53 <shadi> MH: traditionally had very discrete versioning of software
14:58:02 <shadi> ...now continually updated software
14:59:57 <mhakkinen> http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/content.asp?contentid=163
15:00:00 <shadi> ...how do we certify living objects?
15:00:36 <shadi> SAZ: also applicable to certifying people
15:02:04 <shadi> ...technologies change and evolve
15:02:17 <Vivienne> zakim, unmute me
15:02:17 <Zakim> Vivienne should no longer be muted
15:02:19 <shadi> YM: but who certifies the certifiers?
15:02:35 <shadi> ...there are no standards and requirements
15:02:51 <shadi> MH: AAIP working on this
15:03:00 <shadi> SAZ: also other efforts in Europe
15:06:02 <shadi> Topic: Section "Background"
15:06:23 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-030215/results#xback
15:07:49 <shadi> MH: mention the policy aspects as an incentive for delcarations
15:08:17 <shadi> ...products and services are expected to meet certain requirements
15:27:57 <shadi> Topic: Section "References"
15:28:04 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-030215/results#xrefs
15:28:28 <shadi> MH: either need to be referenced in the main text, or be called further reading or such
15:30:37 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:30:39 <Zakim> -mhakkinen
15:30:41 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:30:48 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:30:49 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:30:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, mhakkinen, Vivienne, Yehya
15:32:27 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:32:27 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:32:27 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:32:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:32:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/04-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:32:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:32:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items