IRC log of ua on 2015-01-29

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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 29 January 2015
17:57:27 [jeanne]
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Chair: jeanne
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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+Jeanne
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agenda+ Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG
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Agenda+ ACTION-1065: Write an intro paragraph for uaag 2.0 conformance
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applicability notes
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agenda+ GL 4 comments (4.1.4, 4.1.5)
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Agenda+ ACTION-1051
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agenda: Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015
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agenda?
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+Greg_Lowney
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agenda+ Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015
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zakim, take up item 5
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agendum 5. "Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015" taken up [from jeanne]
18:05:35 [Kim]
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+Kim_Patch
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
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+[IPcaller]
18:07:07 [jeanne]
RESOLUTION: UA documents will use "installed fonts" and "platform colors" - additional fonts can be
18:07:07 [jeanne]
installed, colors only exist on the platform
18:07:24 [Jan]
zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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zakim, close item 5
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agendum 5, Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG [from jeanne]
18:13:23 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0071.html
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG" taken up [from jeanne]
18:13:45 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0071.html
18:19:39 [jeanne]
Jan: I'm suggesting in A level in 1.4.1 and adding the word normal
18:19:54 [Jan]
Text style (normal, underline, italic, bold)
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Text style, choosing to turn off underline, italic, bold
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Text style, choosing to turn on/off underline, italic, bold
18:22:39 [jeanne]
RESOLUTION: add bullet point to 1.4.1 'Text style, choosing to turn on/off underline, italic, bold"
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Scribe: Jan
18:28:57 [Greg]
"Text size (e.g. 18pt) or scale (e.g. 150%)" ?
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"Text size and scale (e.g. 18pt, 150%)" ?
18:34:36 [Jan]
Text size (e.g. 18pt) or text scale (e.g. 150%)
18:35:55 [Jan]
RESOLUTION: In 1.4.2 "Text size or scale"change to --> Text size (e.g. 18pt) or text scale (e.g. 150%)
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RESOLUTION: In 1.4.2 "Text size or scale"change to --> Text size (e.g. 18 point) or text scale (e.g. 150%)
18:39:59 [jeanne]
shawn's comments from 2013 <- http://www.tader.info/understanding.html
18:40:48 [jeanne]
Last Call <- http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-UAAG20-20131107/#gl-text-config
18:43:28 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to go back to shawn on MISSING AAA - we don't think anything is missing except word spacing.
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Created ACTION-1066 - Go back to shawn on missing aaa - we don't think anything is missing except word spacing. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-02-05].
18:43:28 [Jan]
Topic: I had suggested more element-level customization at Level AAA...
18:43:53 [Jan]
Topic: Word spacing seems to be missing all together
18:45:26 [Greg]
Jeanne thinks we removed it because it’s not a major accessibility issue, and we knew of no UA that does it other than with CSS.
18:46:38 [Jan]
JR: New bullet in 1.4.5 Word spacing, choosing from a range with at least 5 values
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JR: New bullet in 1.4.5 Word spacing
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RESOLUTION: New bullet in 1.4.5...- Word spacing
18:49:13 [Jan]
Topic: re: Note: Any user settings from the platform for these characteristics are implemented.
19:04:22 [jeanne]
5.1.3 refers to the accessibility rules of the platform, not the user settings
19:04:46 [jeanne]
Jan: If we want this, it should be a SC at AA
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Jeanne: Microsoft asked for this
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Jan: I think it is good as a user interface continuity perspective. I hate to fail other browsers for this. I want to take out the Note in 1.4.1 and write a new SC at level AA.
19:08:03 [Jan]
Action Jan: Propose some way to handle the inherit properties from OS issue
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Created ACTION-1067 - Propose some way to handle the inherit properties from os issue [on Jan Richards - due 2015-02-05].
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Referring to note in 1.4.1
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JR: Points out 1.4.3 and 1.4.4 lack Reference buttons
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JR: 1.4.4 has a-b-c numbering of bullets instead of bullets
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JR: 1.4.5 Extra <strong> in handle
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GL: Extra white space before bullets in 1.4.4
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GL: Note for 1.4.5 has the wrong class and so has too much whitepace and is not indented
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GL: Should use class="sc-notes"
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GL: 1.10.1 also erroneously uses lettered lists
19:14:43 [Jan]
JR: ATAG uses UL but with text letters (a), (b), etc.
19:15:14 [Greg]
Personally for technical documents I prefer unordered lists to be lettered so that items can be referred to by a unique ID; otherwise people have to count bullets. (Ordered lists would be numbered.)
19:15:22 [Jan]
agenda?
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zakim, close action item 1
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I don't understand 'close action item 1', Jan
19:15:47 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 2. "ACTION-1065: Write an intro paragraph for uaag 2.0 conformance" taken up [from jeanne]
19:15:49 [jeanne]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0095.html
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http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#applicability-notes
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JR: "The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. These conditions must be satisfied for conformance. "
19:19:49 [Greg]
Jeanne pointed out that most of the Applicability Notes are making SC less restrictive, rather than more as the proposed intro paragraph implies.
19:20:15 [Jan]
The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify success criteria under certain edge conditions.
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The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain edge conditions.
19:22:15 [Jan]
The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain conditions.
19:22:57 [Jan]
The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain circumstances.
19:23:04 [jeanne]
+1
19:23:09 [Greg]
+1
19:23:33 [Kim]
+1
19:23:36 [Jan]
RESOLUTION: To add this paragraph above the Applicability notes: "The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain circumstances."
19:25:08 [Jan]
JR: Proposal to add text pointer to the Conformance section: "The Conformance Applicability Notes must also be satisfied."
19:26:36 [Jan]
The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under certain circumstances.
19:29:05 [Jan]
In order for a web page to conform to UAAG 2.0, one of the following levels of conformance is met in full.
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-Level A: For level A conformance (the minimum level of conformance), the user agent satisfies all the Level A success criteria.
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-Level AA: For level AA conformance (recommended), the user agent satisfies all level A and level AA Success Criteria.
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-Level AAA: For level AAA conformance (advanced), the user agent satisfies all level A, level AA and level AAA Success Criteria.
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The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under certain circumstances.
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Although conformance can only be achieved at the stated levels, developers are encouraged to report (in their claim) any progress toward meeting success criteria from all levels beyond the achieved level of conformance.
19:30:42 [Jan]
RESOLUTION: In the Conformance Reqs section: Add the paragraph: "The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under certain circumstances." after the bulleted list (as shown above) and then REMOVE "Note:" from the next sentence ("Although conformance can only be achieved at the stated levels, developers are encouraged to...
19:30:44 [Jan]
...report (in their claim) any progress toward meeting success criteria from all levels beyond the achieved level of conformance. ")
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-Greg_Lowney
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-Jan
19:34:21 [jeanne]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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-Kim_Patch
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-Jeanne
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, Jan
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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regrets+ Jim
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html jeanne