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14:26:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:26:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:26:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:26:02 <trackbot> Date: 28 January 2015
14:26:15 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
14:26:15 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
14:26:22 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:26:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
14:26:31 <Vivienne> IPcaller is me
14:26:40 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:26:40 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:26:47 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:26:47 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:26:48 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:27:12 <Zakim> +Markku
14:28:54 <luz> luz has joined #rd
14:29:06 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:29:06 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:29:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:29:48 <luz> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:29:48 <Zakim> +luz; got it
14:30:33 <annika> annika has joined #rd
14:30:52 <shadi> ack me
14:31:44 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:31:44 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:32:43 <Zakim> +??P6
14:33:15 <annika> zakim, ??P6 is me
14:33:15 <Zakim> +annika; got it
14:33:37 <shadi> ack me
14:34:38 <luz> Zakim, unmute me
14:34:38 <Zakim> luz was not muted, luz
14:34:46 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:34:46 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:34:54 <luz> Better, I have a road close.
14:37:18 <luz> Zakim, mute me
14:37:18 <Zakim> luz should now be muted
14:37:56 <mhakkinen> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-270115/results
14:38:00 <shadi> scribe: shadi
14:38:03 <mhakkinen> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-270115/results
14:38:11 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:38:11 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:38:48 <mhakkinen> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accreditation
14:39:11 <shadi> ack me
14:39:35 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-270115/results#xheads
14:40:11 <shadi> Topic: Headings
14:40:12 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-270115/results#xheads
14:41:07 <mhakkinen> Description Background and State-of-the-Art Challenges Research Goals
14:42:21 <shadi> VC: proposal by Dave Sloan
14:42:50 <shadi> ...I concur with that
14:42:53 <shadi> ack me
14:43:54 <annika> q+
14:44:12 <shadi> SAZ: what would we want to have in this section?
14:44:49 <shadi> VC: challenges in using accrediation schemes
14:45:14 <mhakkinen> +q
14:45:22 <annika> ack me
14:45:26 <luz> Maybe "Transfere"
14:45:57 <shadi> AN: like "challenges" but could apply to any topic
14:46:07 <shadi> ...could be challenges in applying
14:46:16 <shadi> ...or challenges that people observe
14:46:23 <shadi> ...depending on the topic
14:46:34 <mhakkinen> ack me
14:46:38 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:46:38 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:46:39 <shadi> ...if we get to specific then we lose flexibility
14:46:48 <shadi> MH: also try to think about the gaps
14:46:55 <shadi> ...what is it that we don't know
14:47:15 <shadi> ...maybe research gaps
14:47:50 <luz> I like Challenges and Gaps
14:48:06 <shadi> VC: next section is "research goals"
14:48:20 <shadi> SAZ: "challenges and gaps"?
14:48:26 <shadi> VC: like it
14:48:42 <annika> q+
14:49:12 <shadi> MH: maybe can keep it simple with challenges
14:49:26 <annika> ack me
14:49:39 <shadi> ...gaps can be a sub-part of that
14:50:55 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:50:55 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:51:35 <shadi> VC: proposal is section called just "challenges"
14:51:37 <shadi> +1
14:51:40 <annika> +1
14:51:47 <Vivienne> +1
14:52:07 <mhakkinen> +1
14:52:10 <luz> yes
14:52:12 <luz> +1
14:54:13 <mhakkinen> +1 to introduction
14:54:21 <shadi> VC: "overview" or "introduction" rather than "description"?
14:54:24 <Vivienne> +1 introduction
14:54:29 <annika> +1
14:54:37 <shadi> +1 both fine by me
14:54:52 <luz> yes
14:55:50 <annika> zakim, unmute me
14:55:52 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
14:55:53 <shadi> VC: keep "state-of-the-art" as a separate section?
14:56:58 <shadi> AN: like "current situation" or "current practices"
14:57:57 <shadi> ...current "situation" may be more open
14:57:59 <mhakkinen> +1
14:58:09 <shadi> ...some topics may not have "practice" (yet)
14:58:11 <shadi> +1
14:58:17 <mhakkinen> Agree that "current situation" is more open
14:58:25 <Vivienne> agree with current situation also
14:59:21 <shadi> VC: keep as two sections or together with background?
14:59:38 <shadi> SAZ: no keep separate
14:59:49 <annika> +1 (two separate sections)
14:59:52 <mhakkinen> +1 to keep separate
15:00:17 <Vivienne> q+
15:00:25 <Vivienne> ack me
15:01:15 <shadi> VC: not providing much about current practice
15:03:17 <shadi> SAZ: we'll need to be clear how much detail vs brief we want to be
15:05:28 <luz> +1
15:05:43 <shadi> ...need to keep separate from symposia call for papers
15:06:36 <shadi> VC: "opportunities for research"?
15:06:47 <shadi> SAZ: or just "research opportunities"?
15:06:51 <luz> "Reseach Oportunities"  +1
15:07:05 <shadi> MH: like the opportunities
15:07:09 <Vivienne> +1 to research opportunities
15:07:23 <shadi> ...may not even have arranged specific questions yet
15:07:26 <annika> +1 to opportunities
15:07:39 <shadi> +1
15:07:41 <mhakkinen> +1
15:08:43 <shadi> VC: will have a look and try out these new titles
15:09:44 <shadi> "Research Topic: Accreditation"
15:11:57 <shadi> VC: think "catalogue entry" is confusing
15:12:04 <shadi> SAZ: can just drop it
15:12:17 <mhakkinen> +1
15:12:21 <annika> +1
15:12:29 <Vivienne> +1
15:14:56 <mhakkinen> +1 to leaving them in
15:15:15 <luz> +1
15:15:16 <shadi> MH: change "categorization and tags" to "keywords"?
15:15:22 <annika> +1 to keywords
15:15:26 <shadi> +1
15:15:27 <mhakkinen> +1 to keywords
15:15:30 <Vivienne> +1 to leave them in and say 'keywords'
15:16:07 <shadi> Topic: Related W3C Activities
15:16:09 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-270115/results#xstds
15:16:58 <mhakkinen> +1 to specific heading
15:17:43 <shadi> VC: suggestion for specific section
15:17:52 <shadi> MH: think makes it relevant to other W3C groups
15:18:00 <shadi> q+
15:18:07 <annika> W3C activities could be a subsection under background
15:18:07 <shadi> ack me
15:19:45 <mhakkinen> Related W3C Activities:  Listing Active/Inactive
15:20:09 <mhakkinen> Domains, Groups, Standards
15:21:09 <shadi> SAZ: are we talking about groups or standards, or both?
15:21:25 <luz> +1 for Standarization
15:21:27 <luz> !
15:21:29 <annika> +1 to list all activities not only standards
15:21:37 <Vivienne> +1
15:22:04 <annika> q+
15:22:39 <shadi> AN: may be on-going work, not finalized standards
15:24:24 <shadi> SAZ: proposed title "standardization"
15:24:38 <shadi> ...under that could be W3C or "external"
15:25:32 <annika> q-
15:25:39 <shadi> AN: could this be under "current situation"?
15:25:46 <shadi> ...otherwise may have too many sections
15:25:52 <mhakkinen> +q
15:26:28 <mhakkinen> ack me
15:26:55 <shadi> MH: standardization could be side-bar but should be quick to spot
15:27:02 <shadi> ...just a list
15:28:17 <shadi> AN: just the W3C part could be the side bar, that makes sense
15:28:39 <shadi> ...."external" should be under "current practice"
15:28:39 <shadi> MH: agree with that
15:29:25 <shadi> Topic: Catalog Home
15:29:36 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/RDWG-270115/results#xshape
15:30:55 <shadi> SAZ: could combine Annika's and Klaus' suggestions
15:32:29 <luz> Thank you
15:32:31 <luz> Bye bye
15:32:34 <Zakim> -Markku
15:32:38 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:32:39 <Zakim> -luz
15:32:42 <Zakim> -annika
15:33:00 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:33:01 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:33:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Vivienne, Shadi, Markku, luz, annika
15:34:39 <mhakkinen> shadi, are you going to make the minutes?
15:36:16 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:36:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:36:16 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:36:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:36:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/28-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:36:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:36:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items