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17:00:45 <AnnB> aaargh .. when I use code 76244 I'm told I'm the only one in conference
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17:00:58 <Zakim> +??P0
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17:01:12 <elf-pavlik> oops!
17:01:20 <AnnB> re-dialing
17:01:25 <elf-pavlik> please rejoin
17:01:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:01:36 <harry> Zakim, IPcaller is hhalpin
17:01:36 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
17:01:52 <Zakim> +Ann
17:01:55 <Zakim> +Lloyd_Fassett
17:01:58 <harry> Hi Ann
17:02:18 <elf-pavlik> chair: AnnB
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17:02:53 <Zakim> + +1.978.238.aaaa
17:03:01 <Zakim> +AdamB
17:03:02 <harry> hi lloyd!
17:03:16 <harry> lloyd, could you scribe as elf did it at the WG conference?
17:03:22 <Zakim> + +1.313.594.aabb
17:03:28 <Zakim> +Arnaud
17:03:35 <lehawes> Zakin, +1.978.238.aaaa is lehawes
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17:03:52 <harry> Zakim, +1.978.238.aaaa is lehawes
17:03:52 <Zakim> sorry, harry, I do not recognize a party named '+1.978.238.aaaa'
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17:03:58 <harry> Zakin, aaa is lehawes
17:04:04 <lehawes> Zakim, +1.978.238.aaaa is lehawes
17:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, lehawes, I do not recognize a party named '+1.978.238.aaaa'
17:04:09 <harry> Zakim, aaaa is lehawes
17:04:09 <Zakim> sorry, harry, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
17:04:27 <harry> Ed or lehawes, want to scribe?
17:04:33 <lehawes> Zakim, .aaaa is lehawes
17:04:33 <elf-pavlik> lehawes, harry i did it already :)
17:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, lehawes, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
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17:04:39 <eprodrom> I'm on my way in
17:04:41 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see elf-pavlik, hhalpin, Ann, Lloyd_Fassett, lehawes, AdamB, EdK, Arnaud
17:04:54 <lehawes> Thanks, Elf!
17:04:56 <EdK> I can scribe this week
17:05:04 <harry> thanks EdK!
17:05:05 <elf-pavlik> scribenick: EdK
17:05:06 <Zakim> +eprodrom
17:05:08 <harry> scibe: EdK
17:05:14 <harry> scribe: EdK
17:05:16 <eprodrom> hi
17:05:18 <harry> scribenick: EdK
17:05:26 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:05:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see elf-pavlik, hhalpin, Ann, Lloyd_Fassett, lehawes, AdamB, EdK, Arnaud, eprodrom
17:05:40 <eprodrom> I think I like that Zakim knows my phone number
17:05:48 <elf-pavlik> rrsagent, make records public
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17:06:42 <harry> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-01-21
17:06:51 <elf-pavlik> agenda: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-01-21
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17:07:09 <elf-pavlik> topic: Approval of Minutes of 3 & 17 December 2014 Teleconf
17:07:10 <EdK> First item on agenda is to approve minutes from last meetings.
17:07:18 <harry> PROPOSE: Approve minutes  http://www.w3.org/2014/12/03-socialig-minutes.html
17:07:32 <harry> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-socialig-minutes.html
17:07:43 <harry> RESOLVED: approved  http://www.w3.org/2014/12/03-socialig-minutes.html
17:07:50 <harry> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-socialig-minutes.html
17:08:38 <EdK> Standard meeting is every other week, opposite weeks are for working time.
17:09:15 <EdK> last week Lloyd and Ann discussed vocabulary. consider engaging with professional ontologists as a side project.
17:09:54 <AnnB> yes, next on agenda
17:09:58 <elf-pavlik> tantek, already there https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-01-21#Agenda_2
17:10:08 <harry> topic: Move to #social for meetings?
17:10:19 <EdK> Ann had volunteered Julie Martin at Boeing for discussing Boeing's vocabulary, would need to confirm with her agreement to help.
17:10:21 <harry> +1 it simplifies things and more people are in #social
17:10:26 <tantek> Thank you AnnB elf-pavlik
17:10:44 <lehawes> I like the idea of moving both IG and WG to "social" on IRC
17:10:53 <harry> PROPOSED: Move from #socialig to #social
17:10:55 <Lloyd_Fassett> +
17:10:56 <elf-pavlik> +1
17:11:00 <Lloyd_Fassett> +1
17:11:05 <AnnB> +1
17:11:09 <harry> RESOLVED: Move from #socialig to #social
17:11:09 <harry> starting next meeting
17:11:29 <elf-pavlik> q+ re: tracker
17:11:47 <harry> Yes, it's reserved this time at every single week
17:11:47 <Arnaud> I wonder whether lawyers will have a problem with that...
17:11:49 <EdK> Ann mentioned the social IRC channel is active all week, not just for meetings.
17:11:54 <lehawes> Doing so can only help communication and ambient awareness between the two groups
17:11:57 <Arnaud> harry, it might be worth checking with Wendy
17:12:04 <harry> sorry, microphone still not working, waiting for Lenovo to deliver a new computer
17:12:10 <elf-pavlik> wseltzer, ^
17:12:22 <elf-pavlik> q?
17:13:02 <EdK> question - do we need more time for working groups other than the opposite week?
17:13:08 <elf-pavlik> +1 keep it weekly for now IG / TF meetings alternating
17:13:15 <lehawes> I don't think we need other reserved times for IG. This time works well and can be used every other week by a task force
17:13:20 <EdK> Larry - other meetings tend to be ad hoc and scheduled based on sub-team member availability.
17:13:51 <harry> why do we need another telecon?
17:13:58 <Arnaud> +q
17:14:54 <EdK> still need to smooth out/document how to get an ad hoc dial-in.
17:14:59 <harry> We do not need to talk to W3C lawyers, we just need to make sure trackbot also is associates this telecon with #social
17:15:11 <EdK> Lloyd agreed to document this.
17:15:40 <elf-pavlik> q?
17:15:44 <elf-pavlik> ack elf-pavlik
17:15:44 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss tracker
17:15:45 <harry> should be possible with the same IRC channel, will check
17:15:55 <harry> since you have trackbot start/end meetings
17:16:08 <EdK> Elf noted that we had been looking to use Tracker and this could conflict with combining IRC channels.
17:16:16 <elf-pavlik> harry, can you take ACTION for that?
17:16:49 <harry> the email has already been sent to adminreq
17:17:05 <AdamB> better to answer that question now then later
17:17:11 <EdK> Arnaud - in favor but with a lot of IP issues recently, we should just double check with Wendy (legal) to make sure there isn't a conflict/issue.
17:18:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
17:18:51 <EdK> Ad-hoc phone requests take time because it takes admins to tackle, usually only do for regular meetings. Can ask Zachim in IRC to request a room for # users, will get a dial-in code right then and there.
17:19:14 <elf-pavlik> present:  elf-pavlik, hhalpin, Ann, Lloyd_Fassett, lehawes, AdamB, EdK, Arnaud, eprodrom, dromasca
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17:19:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
17:19:29 <Zakim> -lehawes
17:19:42 <EdK> *Zachim* Zakim
17:20:07 <AnnB> s/Zachim/Zakim
17:20:22 <elf-pavlik> ACTION: elf-pavlik to ask wseltzer about possible legal issues with using #social irc channel
17:20:22 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:20:27 <harry> I am listneing
17:20:29 <elf-pavlik> harry, ^
17:20:42 <harry> Yes, I am 99% sure there are no legal issues
17:20:57 <harry> IPR commits are to WG members, thus mailing list restrictions
17:21:11 <harry> I have no idea why the tracker didn't work this time
17:21:46 <AdamB> works fro me to hear from evan first
17:21:56 <AdamB> s/fro/for
17:22:04 <EdK> Ann - switch sequence of agenda, Evan to review social API
17:22:11 <harry> Anyways, we'll reset tracker when we move to #social
17:22:12 <elf-pavlik> topic: Social API functional requirement process (WG ACTION-25)
17:22:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
17:22:33 <eprodrom> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API
17:23:14 <Zakim> +lehawes
17:23:15 <EdK> Evan - WG and IG agreed part of charter is to provide http based API for social software
17:23:40 <EdK> Began discussing what APIs are and how to make it work, there were a variety of ideas
17:24:26 <EdK> Took as a strategy cataloging social APIs, went through those, analyzed them for payloads, data objects, functionality of API
17:24:42 <EdK> Striving to define what a social API should do
17:24:47 <eprodrom> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Patterns
17:25:09 <elf-pavlik> q+ re: documenting features broadly used in Diaspora & Friendica
17:25:16 <EdK> Went through more than a dozen APIS, including Twitter, Facebook, Foursquare
17:25:33 <EdK> plus open source
17:25:40 <Arnaud> ack Arnaud
17:26:36 <EdK> Did analysis, in telecons reviewers went through the APIs for familiarity and understanding of what social APIs are
17:26:48 <AnnB> really interesting, too!
17:26:52 <eprodrom> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements
17:27:23 <EdK> Now at a point where reviewed enough to move on to next stage, which is to take the functionality seen, look at commonalities and craft a set of requirements
17:28:15 <EdK> As of yesterday, the updated list of requirements are on the wiki in an informal fashion at the moment.
17:28:56 <EdK> Hope is next WG meeting on Tuesday will discuss and strive for consensus for approval or define another iteration or formality
17:29:22 <EdK> Goal after requirements are approved by WG will be to solicit candidate definitions
17:29:47 <EdK> Have some submissions already but can't really judge until requirements are agreed upon.
17:29:51 <lehawes_> At first glance of the draft Social API Requirements, I see a glaring hole: profiles! Perhaps we should take a look at existing use cases for profiles and see if we can derive requirements? What does everyone think of that approach?
17:30:08 <elf-pavlik> +1 profiles!
17:30:46 <Zakim> -dromasca
17:31:15 <EdK> Goal is to have first public working draft for a MArch meetup, may not actually be a FPWD but a clear proposal that can be discussed toward that direction
17:32:07 <lehawes_> It seems like the draft requirements do a good job of covering common social gestures (i.e. Like, Follow...). Will have to examine in more detail to see if any are missing.
17:32:09 <eprodrom> q?
17:32:13 <EdK> Edit wiki or send suggestions to Evan to help mature the requirements
17:32:21 <eprodrom> ack elf-pavlik
17:32:21 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss documenting features broadly used in Diaspora & Friendica
17:32:57 <AnnB> q+
17:34:20 <eprodrom> ack AnnB
17:34:51 <Lloyd_Fassett> q+
17:34:59 <lehawes_> q+
17:35:10 <harry> Would be good to get Tencent and others more involved
17:35:14 <elf-pavlik> I proposed documenting requirements based on what people use daily in Diaspora and Friendica and make sure that our specs cover them so they can migrate their software to specs we publish
17:35:22 <harry> tencent joined WG, but this meeting time is hard for Asian members
17:35:39 <elf-pavlik> based on meeting during 31C3 from which I will still share more detailed feedback
17:35:44 <EdK> AnnB wonders if the list is representative of global tools, or should we reach out somehow for Japan, China centric tools
17:35:50 <harry> However, happy to send them an email to take a look at something once we have a draft API
17:35:58 <harry> the offices can translate sometimes if we ask
17:37:40 <EdK> Evan suggests at least looking at Tencent, might be able to find others and run through automatic translators to do comparisons - if the APIs are published.
17:39:28 <harry> notes that I just reset trackbot to aim at #social, and it seems to work fine
17:39:52 <eprodrom> q?
17:39:56 <harry> the reset seemed to fix the issue with this channel, which was an issue with /IG being a redirect
17:40:00 <eprodrom> ack Lloyd_Fassett
17:41:18 <EdK> Lloyd asked if there were indicators about shared vocabularies during the analysis.
17:42:00 <harry> ACTION: test action
17:42:00 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:42:31 <harry> trackbot, this is SOCIG
17:42:31 <trackbot> Sorry, harry, I don't understand 'trackbot, this is SOCIG'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
17:42:49 <EdK> Evan's initial perspective was there wasn't much in the way of shared vocabulary, was some common terms (inbox, stream, etc.)
17:43:13 <harry> ACTION eprodrom examine APIs for Yandex, Vkontakte, Sina Weibo, Tencent, and/or RenRen
17:43:13 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:43:22 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, associate this channel with #socialig
17:43:34 <EdK> Could have been some commonality, but wasn't a big part of the study.
17:45:39 <harry> trackbot, start meeting
17:45:39 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:46:01 <eprodrom> q?
17:46:07 <eprodrom> ack lehawes_
17:46:16 <harry> I doubt systeam will customize tracker for us, but we can ask
17:47:08 <harry> I'll file a sysreq@w3.org to see if we can do this, otherwise we may want to keep separate IRC channels
17:47:20 <EdK> Summarize: may see some shared vocabularies that are common but a larger portion may be uncommon and likely not as useful.
17:47:42 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has been moved to #social by harry
17:48:15 <eprodrom> q?
17:48:19 <AnnB> Evan -- we lost you!
17:48:31 <eprodrom> Aww crud
17:48:34 <eprodrom> I'll be right back
17:48:36 <harry> Evan, just dial back in
17:48:36 <Loqi> :)
17:48:36 <AnnB> k
17:48:45 <EdK> Lloyd also suggested that within an API it is directed at a specific ecosystem, and as we consider interaction between ecosystems that context becomes something to think through.
17:49:30 <eprodrom> lehawes_ ?
17:50:29 <EdK> Larry wondered if looking at enterprise-centric tools/APIs, we might find some unique functionality.
17:50:54 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, move SOCIG to here
17:50:54 <Zakim> ok, elf-pavlik; that matches T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM
17:50:56 <harry> Notes that we cannot have a separate IRC channel if we want our own tracker
17:51:11 <harry> Notes that we cannot have a *shared*  IRC channel if we want our own tracker
17:51:12 <harry> otherwise, this confuses the bots
17:51:15 <EdK> Ann suggested she and Adam need to help by documenting Boeing's internal API in the context of these requirements.
17:51:38 <harry> So, as I highly doubt systeams will customize this for us, let's just revisit the decision.
17:51:42 <harry> agenda+
17:51:51 <EdK> Evan suggested that Open Social had been capturing some of those.
17:51:54 <harry> agenda+ revisit IRC channel
17:52:10 <EdK> Larry suggested Yammer and SocialCast.
17:52:11 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, ^
17:52:42 <EdK> Ed notes that the top tools include Jive and Tibbr.
17:52:47 <elf-pavlik> q+ re: revisit IRC channel resolution because of tracker collision
17:52:54 <eprodrom> https://developer.yammer.com/restapi/ might be a good place to start
17:53:16 <elf-pavlik> q?
17:54:00 <eprodrom> ack?
17:54:02 <eprodrom> ack elf-pavlik
17:54:03 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss revisit IRC channel resolution because of tracker collision
17:54:31 <harry> basically, tracker can't handle two groups with same IRC channel
17:55:39 <elf-pavlik> thank you eprodrom for this update on Social API!
17:55:41 <AnnB> API requirements:
17:55:43 <AnnB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements
17:56:22 <eprodrom> evan@e14n.com
17:56:27 <EdK> Evan - closeout; it will help if everyone will review and comment on the requirements. Feedback can be by editing wiki document, use discussion page on wiki, and/or send Evan email.
17:56:27 <elf-pavlik> eprodrom, public-socialweb-comments@w3.org  ?
17:56:54 <EdK> Thank you Evan!!
17:57:34 <harry> We should probably keep this channel if we want a separate tracker
17:57:44 <EdK> Back to Tracker/IRC issue; if we combine channels we may not be able to have separate trackers, suggest we stay separate until we test and resolve.
17:57:46 <harry> if we don't want to use tracker, it doesn't matter
17:58:00 <harry> PROPOSAL: Continue with #socialig to keep tracker
17:58:11 <harry> RESOLVED: Keep with #socialig in order to use tracker
17:58:18 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, 2min or you can propose extending meeting
17:58:24 <EdK> Ann reiterates that people can hang out in the other channel to keep abreast of the  work
17:59:03 <EdK> Call for any task force reportouts.
17:59:30 <EdK> side note Zakim will not kick out people at end of hour, just won't let people join or re-join.
17:59:33 <Arnaud> fyi, the syntax to get a phone bridge on the fly is: zakim, room for <number of people> for <number> minutes? if you don't specify the minutes you will get 60 minutes
18:00:36 <EdK> Larry: Use cases - no activity over the holidays. One approach could be to review WG API requirements and help prioritize use cases that help that effort.
18:01:29 <harry> cross fingers MarkC can come back
18:01:52 <lehawes_> I don't believe that the Architecture TF has even met officially
18:04:32 <EdK> Lloyd - Vocabulary. Suggestion had been that Activity streams has been most active, other task forces not highly engaged to work on vocabulary. Interested in working with Boeing to see what is sharable from that effort.
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18:05:29 <AdamB> we use it in inSite
18:05:48 <EdK> Hi James
18:05:57 <lehawes_> EdK: Ford put an information management team in place in 2014, including people concerned with vocabulary. He needs to circle around with them and learn more about what they are doing.
18:07:15 <AnnB> Ann:  maybe there is a manufacturing-focused vocabularly?
18:07:31 <eprodrom> I have to leave, thanks everyone
18:07:42 <Zakim> -eprodrom
18:07:53 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on call?
18:07:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, elf-pavlik.
18:08:00 <AnnB> s/vocabularly / vocabulary /
18:08:03 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
18:08:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see elf-pavlik (muted), hhalpin, Ann, Lloyd_Fassett, AdamB, EdK, Arnaud, lehawes
18:08:04 <harry> thanks for chairing Anne!
18:08:04 <lehawes_> EdK: He and Lloyd will talk about vocabulary specifics after Ed has investigated.
18:08:12 <EdK> Thanks all!
18:08:13 <harry> meeting adjourned
18:08:14 <elf-pavlik> thank you AnnB!
18:08:22 <Zakim> -AdamB
18:08:22 <lehawes_> Bye everyone, and thanks!
18:08:24 <Zakim> -EdK
18:08:24 <harry> RRSAgent, generate minutes
18:08:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-socialig-minutes.html harry
18:08:25 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett
18:08:28 <Zakim> -Arnaud
18:08:29 <Zakim> -lehawes
18:08:54 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, end meeting
18:08:54 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
18:08:59 <harry> Yep, had to figure out tracker issue
18:09:09 <harry> the minutes are generated, will send to list, elf- can you put in wiki?
18:09:14 <harry> I'm not sure if Ed knows how to do that
18:09:14 <AnnB> thanks to elf and harry for their testing of Tracker
18:09:18 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, generate minutes
18:09:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
18:09:40 <Zakim> -Ann
18:09:42 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
18:09:43 <harry> just add it to wiki, I just sent to list Elf
18:09:46 <Zakim> -hhalpin
18:09:48 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has ended
18:09:48 <Zakim> Attendees were elf-pavlik, hhalpin, Ann, Lloyd_Fassett, +1.978.238.aaaa, AdamB, lehawes, +1.313.594.aabb, Arnaud, EdK, eprodrom, dromasca
18:10:00 <elf-pavlik> harry, we don't do it in IG!
18:10:12 <harry> ah, ok, - then less work :)
18:10:17 <elf-pavlik> :)
18:10:43 <elf-pavlik> harry, but tracker still didn't work here today
18:10:59 <elf-pavlik> if you could, please cc me on the email to system team
18:11:16 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, associate this channel with #socialig
18:11:34 <elf-pavlik> harry, http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/open
18:12:02 <elf-pavlik> where do we find IG tracker?
18:12:20 <elf-pavlik> WG: http://www.w3.org/Social/track/
18:12:23 <elf-pavlik> IG: ?
18:12:40 <harry> http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/
18:12:57 <harry> but not working until next meeting it appears, as it was confused with WG tracker
18:13:35 <elf-pavlik> harry, http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/options
18:13:42 <elf-pavlik> IRC Channel
18:13:42 <elf-pavlik> #social (connect)
18:14:13 <harry> yep, it has to be manually reset to move back to #socialig
18:14:17 <harry> that should happen by next meeting
18:14:32 <elf-pavlik> same as in http://www.w3.org/Social/track/options
18:14:49 <elf-pavlik> back? when did it move away from #socialig
18:15:32 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, status
18:15:32 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
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