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21:57:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
21:57:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
21:57:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
21:57:30 <trackbot> Date: 21 January 2015
21:57:44 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has now started
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21:57:50 <Zakim> +??P0
21:57:55 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is me
21:57:55 <Zakim> +janina; got it
21:58:03 <janina> agenda?
21:58:06 <janina> Chair:  Janina_Sajka
21:58:06 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
21:58:06 <janina> agenda+ Checkin with Web Apps' Editing TF [See below]
21:58:06 <janina> agenda+ Editor's Report
21:58:06 <janina> agenda+ Events Spec Heartbeat Update
21:58:08 <janina> agenda+ User Context Integration http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2015Jan/0002.html
21:58:11 <janina> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
21:58:14 <janina> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
21:58:17 <janina> agenda+  Other Business
21:58:20 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
22:01:14 <Zakim> +??P1
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22:01:34 <kurosawa> Zakim, ??P1 is me
22:01:34 <Zakim> +kurosawa; got it
22:01:59 <janina>  regrets: James_Craig
22:02:08 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:02:15 <janina> regrets: Michael_Cooper, James_Craig
22:02:31 <Zakim> + +1.609.759.aaaa
22:02:32 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
22:02:51 <janina> zakim, aaaa is Jason_White
22:02:51 <Zakim> +Jason_White; got it
22:04:48 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
22:04:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, kurosawa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Jason_White, Joanmarie_Diggs
22:07:32 <Ryladog> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
22:07:50 <Ryladog> ScribeNick: Ryladog
22:08:23 <Ryladog> Meeting: IndieUI Working Group Teleconference
22:08:50 <Ryladog> zakim, this will be WAI_Indie
22:08:50 <Zakim> ok, Ryladog, I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM already started
22:08:52 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2015JanMar/0009.html
22:09:17 <Ryladog> zakim, agenda?
22:09:17 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
22:09:18 <Zakim> 1. preview agenda with items from two minutes [from janina]
22:09:18 <Zakim> 2. Checkin with Web Apps' Editing TF [from See below via janina]
22:09:18 <Zakim> 3. Editor's Report [from janina]
22:09:18 <Zakim> 4. Events Spec Heartbeat Update [from janina]
22:09:18 <Zakim> 5. User Context Integration http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2015Jan/0002.html [from janina]
22:09:19 <Zakim> 6. User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3 [from janina]
22:09:20 <Zakim> 7. Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2 [from janina]
22:09:20 <Zakim> 8. Other Business [from janina]
22:09:20 <Zakim> 9. Be Done [from janina]
22:09:44 <Ryladog> TOPIC: Meeting Time Change
22:10:34 <Ryladog> JS: Andy may be moving to South America, so that will make him being able to join our call
22:10:50 <Ryladog> JS: He may be able to join this currrent call
22:12:39 <Ryladog> JW: So Andy may then be able to contribute to the User Context spec
22:12:59 <Ryladog> JS: Hopefully
22:13:44 <Ryladog> JS: We will see if Rich is able to attend, otherwise we may need to end this call
22:13:59 <Ryladog> JW: I need to look up the Schema.org documents
22:14:36 <Ryladog> JW: The Editors report, have their been any commitss?
22:14:50 <Ryladog> JS: I am unsure. Can anyone look
22:15:31 <Ryladog> JW: Git will show you all the latest comits
22:16:25 <Ryladog> JS: I should learn how to use Git, maybe we will discuss it this weekend
22:17:01 <janina> zakim, who's here?
22:17:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, kurosawa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Jason_White, Joanmarie_Diggs
22:17:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ryladog, kurosawa, Zakim, RRSAgent, smaug, MarkS, hober, janina, joanie, trackbot
22:18:32 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
22:18:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-indie-ui-minutes.html Ryladog
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22:19:31 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
22:19:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-indie-ui-minutes.html Ryladog
22:19:31 <janina> We're on the phone, Rich!
22:19:49 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:19:57 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:19:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
22:21:03 <Ryladog> JS: We think the only item we want to talk about today is your posed question
22:21:51 <Ryladog> TOPIC: Rich's question posed
22:23:16 <Ryladog> JS: Is there value in using IndieUI User context
22:24:14 <Ryladog> Katie is having issues seeing/inputing minutes bec asue of some 'waiting for irc.w3.org' error in the IRC input
22:25:38 <Ryladog> RS: This could open up a can of worms. How far do we want this to go. I think we should map this to digital math. There are some things that Bentiec is doing and I wantt o map that to what is happening in the browser
22:26:11 <Ryladog> JW: Some screen readers will pass the Braille ? to the browser?
22:26:22 <Ryladog> RS: Do we want to do that in 1.0?
22:26:48 <Ryladog> RS: As dar as I cam concerned I havent seen any browser implement and User Context features
22:27:06 <Ryladog> RS: And ePub reader is based on broswer technoogies
22:27:36 <Ryladog> JS: If we have an ePub leader implenment our stuff than we can get to CR
22:28:29 <Ryladog> JS: Another question of 1. or should we do this at all. Are we talking about - for extensibility - if someone wanted to use Latex - have we built that in?
22:29:03 <Ryladog> JW: I am not sure that we have built and extensibility in
22:29:36 <Ryladog> JW: If you think that Epub might be interestd in this it would be nice to see what their needs, use caes nd ewqirements are
22:30:10 <Ryladog> JS: If we do put ePub in and we dont get any implementtaions - we could just pull it out in the next version
22:30:39 <Ryladog> JS: Like the BRaille peice for implementation - there os probably not a large group who wan t that now
22:31:02 <Ryladog> JW: But may be we do, it woul be good to hear from folks and if there is inteest we might do it
22:31:21 <Ryladog> RS: For the ePUB I amy be able to talk to Kireshen\\er
22:31:40 <Ryladog> JS: This coul be veery powerful in dynamic seraxh
22:32:03 <Ryladog> RS: We ahve conponnets that could be very useful. ePub wanys smarted book
22:32:38 <Ryladog> JRS: We could get some of that in ePub thy csan expose some of this stuff
22:32:57 <Ryladog> JW: I have been looking at this inthe Braille psace quite a bit
22:33:07 <Ryladog> JS: Latex
22:33:35 <Ryladog> RS: The only thing I am unsude of is can we do Latex if W3C doesnt have Latex as a W3C stabdards
22:34:10 <Ryladog> JS: We dont have to  do it someone else can, But MathML is one we can de, and others can implement
22:34:42 <Ryladog> JS: I think I am hearing that we do want to do that is, hw soon? Have fast might someone want to implements it
22:35:01 <Ryladog> JW: We have browsers use cases - but not in these otther areas
22:35:27 <Ryladog> JW: We shoudl broaden the convesaton especilaly if implementations are ikely to be in that direction
22:36:41 <Ryladog> RS: We could talk to Google, ePub folks, MathML, Braille etc
22:37:00 <Ryladog> JS: Back to Andy may be able to join us
22:37:23 <Ryladog> RS: Jason are you working on any of the editing of this spec?
22:37:39 <Ryladog> JW: No I have not dome any of the editing
22:37:49 <Zakim> -Jason_White
22:38:16 <Ryladog> RS: I caan do some of te editing for tthe Schema.org, but I have to many things going on.,
22:38:37 <Ryladog> RS: The SVG group has aan uber-editor
22:39:02 <Ryladog> RS: I just do not know waht Jamesavaiabluility is going to be
22:39:17 <Ryladog> RS: They are just be ing pragmatic aout it
22:39:32 <Ryladog> JS: I think we cn move User Context forward
22:40:07 <Ryladog> RS: For the eVents - I thinkwe are going o have to work with WebApps - we just do not have th manpower for Events
22:41:24 <Ryladog> JOanie: On the MathML 3 could you have a property for alternate representations? That might get you your Latex
22:41:33 <joanie> http://www.w3.org/TR/MathML3/chapter5.html#mixing.alternate.representations
22:41:36 <Ryladog> RS: I am unsure what W3C allows
22:41:55 <Ryladog> JS: That is a process question that I can get ananswer to from Judy
22:42:40 <Ryladog> RS: Ther are 2 - Schema.org was put into a W3C document - so you eally have Latex. We need to find out if they are going to step on us
22:42:57 <Ryladog> JS: Maybe not. HTML5 is donr.
22:43:16 <Ryladog> RS: HTML is th least intetesting thing that the W3C is going to  do noww
22:43:30 <Ryladog> RS: You alsi hav a module extnion point
22:43:53 <Ryladog> RS: HTML is domne and do not want to add other controls
22:44:14 <Ryladog> JS: What canidiates are things that W3C can do beyond apps/applications
22:44:26 <Zakim> + +1.609.906.aabb
22:44:50 <Ryladog> RS: I work for an IBM startgey. Apps and CSS is huge. Mobile devices dont deliver CSS in a good manner
22:46:03 <Ryladog> RS: SVG is really going to come big on the web. And Web Speach API in both ,Chrome and Firfox. So that opens up really big responsibilities for the aging population and
22:46:15 <Ryladog> RS: The desgn community is all about visyual
22:46:32 <Ryladog> RS: We need to go with more modalities and broader range of users
22:46:42 <Ryladog> JS: Web Speach is interesting
22:46:58 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
22:46:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-indie-ui-minutes.html Ryladog
22:47:41 <Ryladog> JW: I am verty interested in this for the WEb Speech API and possible uss fr the User Context
22:47:57 <Ryladog> zakim, who is here?
22:47:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, kurosawa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.609.906.aabb
22:47:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ryladog, kurosawa, Zakim, RRSAgent, smaug, MarkS, hober, janina, joanie, trackbot
22:48:27 <Ryladog> JS: HTML is no longer the interesting thin. Waht the heck is next
22:48:40 <Zakim> - +1.609.906.aabb
22:48:48 <Ryladog> RS: Jason how would you like to help me with the editing on the User Context document?
22:49:43 <Zakim> + +1.609.906.aacc
22:49:47 <Ryladog> RS: We will talk about that more. I am glad that Andy is moving to Argentina
22:50:09 <Ryladog> JW: I was just agreeing that I would help Rich with editing of the User Context doc
22:50:27 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make log public
22:51:31 <Ryladog> RS: When Michael gets back we should get Jason and I access to the document - User Context.
22:51:54 <Ryladog> JW: We can start putting editorial responsibilities on me
22:52:15 <Ryladog> RSRS: I cand o some of it but bandwidth s killing me
22:52:40 <Ryladog> RS: Jason did Mark talk about moving to ePub docss where you are?
22:52:49 <Ryladog> JW:It is not ht eonly one
22:53:14 <Ryladog> RS: It is cool that we hav ePub docss at IBM. We need an ePub cloud reader
22:53:24 <Ryladog> iBooks has a good reader
22:53:45 <Ryladog> JW: If I talk to Matk H. about SmartBooks there is a convergence of interest
22:55:04 <Ryladog> RS: ePubI is very hot right
22:55:28 <Ryladog> RS: I iwll be speaking at Harvard this year
22:55:41 <Ryladog> JW: I will be on the SVG call
22:55:51 <Ryladog> RS: I invited ePub to that
22:56:44 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:56:45 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
22:56:45 <Zakim> -janina
22:56:46 <Zakim> - +1.609.906.aacc
22:56:47 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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22:57:10 <Ryladog> trackbot, status?
22:57:20 <Ryladog> rrsagent, stop log
22:57:20 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', Ryladog.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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22:57:42 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
22:57:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-indie-ui-minutes.html Ryladog
22:58:01 <Ryladog> zakim, please part
22:58:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were janina, kurosawa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.609.759.aaaa, Joanmarie_Diggs, Jason_White, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.609.906.aabb,
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22:58:15 <Ryladog> zakim, bye
22:58:43 <Ryladog> rrsagent, draft minutes
22:58:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-indie-ui-minutes.html Ryladog
22:58:57 <Ryladog> rrsagent, please part
22:58:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items