IRC log of tt on 2015-01-15
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- Zakim, this will be TTML
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- ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 15 January 2015
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- + +1.720.897.aaaa
- 14:59:31 [glenn]
- zakim, aaaa is me
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- +glenn; got it
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- +nigel
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- Frnas
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- Present: glenn, nigel, Frans
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- zakim, aabb is Frans
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- +Frans; got it
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- chair: nigel
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- +??P8
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- zakim, P8 is tmichel
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- sorry, nigel, I do not recognize a party named 'P8'
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- zakim, ??P8 is tmichel
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- +tmichel; got it
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- Present+ tmichel
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- Topic: This meeting
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- scribeNick: nigel
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- +pal
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- Present+ pal
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- +Andreas
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- nigel: Add to the agenda: Issue-365, TTML2 FPWD review version
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- Present+ Andreas
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- group: No AOB.
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- Topic: TTML2 version for review
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- nigel: Glenn has prepared a snapshot of TTML2 for review prior to FPWD.
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- glenn: This is static for the purpose of review. I need to reformat and change the SOTD.
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- ... And I'll review it myself. If there's anything broken, that's discovered in the review, then
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- ... we can go ahead and fix that. Otherwise changes would be strictly editorial.
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- nigel: The 2 week review period neatly ends on 29th Jan - is that okay with all?
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- group: No objections.
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- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2-20150114-pre-fpwd-review-1.html
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- glenn: I took all the open issues and anything that is in a Change Proposal. We didn't have
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- +jdsmith
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- ... an issue for HTML5 mapping, so I added Issue-365 for that. The issues are in yellow issue
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- ... boxes spread throughout the document.
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- Present+ jdsmith
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- glenn: That covers all of the open issues against TTML2. Then there are editorial notes which
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- ... are actions on me, without specific issues marked against them.
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- nigel: Thierry also reserved the short name ttml2 for this version, in advance of publication.
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- tmichel: Do you plan to have a difference section comparing it to TTML1?
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- glenn: There's another document, that will be referenced from the SOTD, describing the TTML2
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- ... changes.
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- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2-changes.html
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- tmichel: I think that will be very helpful for interested people to check the new functionality.
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- glenn: I'll reference that from the SOTD.
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- +Mike
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- tmichel: That's more like a change log. I was more thinking about something in the introduction
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- ... mentioning the new concept, important changes etc. It doesn't necessarily need to be done
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- ... in the FPWD but it would be helpful later.
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- Present+ Mike
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- glenn: I could attempt to summarise the technical changes in a paragraph in the Introduction.
- 15:13:53 [nigel]
- ... I'll consider that a Review comment. How are we going to track review comments?
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- nigel: We don't need a Disposition of Comments formalisation for this internal review. I suggest
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- action glenn add paragraph in intro that summarizes changes from TTML1 (comment from TM)
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- Created ACTION-364 - Add paragraph in intro that summarizes changes from ttml1 (comment from tm) [on Glenn Adams - due 2015-01-22].
- 15:14:34 [nigel]
- nigel: using the Tracker because that's most trackable!
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- s/action/Action:
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- Topic: Action Items
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- action-332?
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- action-332 -- Glenn Adams to Add schema support for ISD vocabulary -- due 2014-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/332
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- glenn: I've completed this.
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- close action-332
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- Closed action-332.
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- action-343?
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- action-343 -- Glenn Adams to Update point (1) of section 3.1 in ttml2 to refer to a new annex that defines new processorprofiles mime type parameter -- due 2014-11-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/343
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- glenn: I added an Editorial Note for this one, awaiting further work - I don't need the action any longer for this.
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- close action-343
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- Closed action-343.
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- action-347?
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- action-347 -- Glenn Adams to Check if timecontainer explicitly has no semantics with timebase smpte, markermode discontinuous -- due 2014-11-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/347
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- glenn: I added an Editorial Note for this one, awaiting further work - I don't need the action any longer for this.
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- close action-347
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- Closed action-347.
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- action-360?
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- action-360 -- Nigel Megitt to Send liaison request on behalf of w3c ttwg to arib -- due 2014-12-18 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/360
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- nigel: No developments on this during this week.
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- action-363?
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- action-363 -- Nigel Megitt to Format and send itu-r liaison response -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/363
- 15:20:34 [nigel]
- nigel: There's been quite a bit of debate about this resulting in a most recent draft.
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- pal: I think it is inappropriate to send the link to Andreas's post.
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- pal: From a form perspective I think we need to be more formal.
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- ... That in no way denigrates the referenced post though.
- 15:28:06 [glenn]
- TTML is a functional superset of WebVTT and is based upon XML. WebVTT is not based on XML, but is a simpler plain text format, intended to be written by simple authoring tools.
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- TTML and WebVTT are both chartered as deliverables by the TTWG.
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- nigel: We need to move on from this for time.
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- pal: I'll re-review the response and respond on the reflector.
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- pal: Proposes that a summary of the charter deliverables and a link to the most recent version
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- ... of each specification would suffice to answer the question.
- 15:40:40 [glenn]
- WebVTT is timed text for Bolsheviks. TTML is timed text for Mensheviks. ;)
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- Topic: Issues
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- s/WebVTT is timed text for Bolsheviks. TTML is timed text for Mensheviks.//
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- issue-360?
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- issue-360 -- Use of content encoding -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/360
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- glenn: This is a recommendation that a transfer should use gzip if support is indicated.
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- reopen issue-360
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- Re-opened issue-360.
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- issue-361?
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- issue-361 -- Add ttm:mediaTimestamp (or equivalent) attribute. -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/361
- 15:43:35 [nigel]
- nigel: this is about mapping external time stamps into the document timeline.
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- reopen issue-361
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- Re-opened issue-361.
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- issue-362?
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- issue-362 -- Handling forward interoperability of attribute extensions in TT namespaces. -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/362
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- glenn: This is an extension of what we already have for elements but for attributes.
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- reopen issue-362
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- Re-opened issue-362.
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- issue-363?
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- issue-363 -- Add support for font shear -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/363
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- reopen issue-363
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- Re-opened issue-363.
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- issue-364?
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- issue-364 -- Relax constraint between the extents of the root container and the dimensions of the related video object frame -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/364
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- reopen issue-364
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- Re-opened issue-364.
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- issue-365?
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- issue-365 -- Define HTML5 Mapping -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/365
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- reopen issue-365
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- Re-opened issue-365.
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- issue-229?
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- issue-229 -- Mixed vertical-horizontal progression direction -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/229
- 15:47:50 [nigel]
- glenn: This is the addition of the text combine, using the semantics of the CSS Writing Modes
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- ... albeit with a slightly shortened name.
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- nigel: This is the only dependency on Change Proposal 21
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- Action: pal Review Change Proposal 21 in the light of closure of Issue-229.
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- Created ACTION-365 - Review change proposal 21 in the light of closure of issue-229. [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2015-01-22].
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- close issue-229
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- Closed issue-229.
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- Action: nigel Review Change Proposal 14 in the light of closure of Issue-10.
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- Created ACTION-366 - Review change proposal 14 in the light of closure of issue-10. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2015-01-22].
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- issue-303?
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- issue-303 -- Permit HTML-style <a> elements to contain href links -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/303
- 15:51:40 [nigel]
- glenn: This allows xlink syntax and semantics on span and image only.
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- glenn: Since we've adopted XML wholeheartedly I wanted to continue that by using xlink.
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- close issue-303
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- Closed issue-303.
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- Action: nigel Review Change Proposal 27 in the light of closure of Issue-303.
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- Created ACTION-367 - Review change proposal 27 in the light of closure of issue-303. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2015-01-22].
- 15:53:33 [nigel]
- issue-225?
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- issue-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225
- 15:53:56 [nigel]
- glenn: We had added vw and vh and vmin and vmax and there was a request to remove vmin and vmax
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- close issue-225
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- Closed issue-225.
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- issue-229?
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- issue-229 -- Mixed vertical-horizontal progression direction -- closed
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/229
- 15:54:36 [nigel]
- issue-234?
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- issue-234 -- Drop Shadow character style -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/234
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- issue-235
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- issue-235 -- Feathering of shadow and outline effects -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/235
- 15:55:16 [nigel]
- glenn: Both issue-235 and issue-235 are handled by dropShadow - I'm anticipating adding
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- ... something similar to region as well. I believe this handles the SMPTE/DC request.
- 15:56:00 [nigel]
- ... Just to remind folks, textOutline is similar, but has an 'outset' rather than an x and y offset.
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- ... It's along the vector of the tangent to the outline. Whereas shadow allows an x and y offset.
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- mike: It was a SMPTE request relating to CEA-708
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- close issue-234
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- Closed issue-234.
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- close issue-235
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- Closed issue-235.
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- issue-273?
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- issue-273 -- Map fontFamily to external font file resources -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/273
- 15:57:35 [nigel]
- glenn: That's addressed by the new font element.
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- glenn: THere's still an Editorial Note for picking the correct font file resource and also
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- ... the font selection strategy.
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- close issue-273
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- Closed issue-273.
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- issue-285?
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- issue-285 -- Align rendered rows within a region to each other, and the set to the region -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/285
- 15:59:10 [nigel]
- glenn: This allows a textAlign property on span, which turns it into an inline block with a
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- ... distinct alignment to the paragraph. So it's functionally equivalent. I've also tested it with
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- ... a few browsers.
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- close issue-285
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- Closed issue-285.
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- issue-286?
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- issue-286 -- Extend the background area behind rendered text to improve readability -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/286
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- glenn: Here I enhanced the semantics of padding to say that if applied to a span then clone
- 16:00:25 [nigel]
- ... applies at line breaks as opposed to the non-clone (slice) semantics. That happens to be
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- ... distinct from what browsers implement so a mapping process may need to insert a property
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- ... to handle it.
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- close issue-286
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- Closed issue-286.
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- I will not be able to join on the 29th
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- glenn: Regrets for the 22nd.
- 16:03:03 [Frans]
- I will not be able to join either (PTS).
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- nigel: Please make any comments on the TTML2 snapshot on the reflector, for discussion offline
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- ... as soon as possible.
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- Frans: regrets from me for the 29th (clarifying)
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- nigel: We're out of time so I'll adjourn. Thanks all.
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- -Andreas
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- -pal
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- -glenn
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- -Frans
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- -jdsmith
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- -nigel
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- -Mike
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-tt-minutes.html nigel
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-tt-minutes.html nigel
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-tt-minutes.html nigel
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- i/Topic: Issues/nigel: I understand what you're getting at Pierre, I'll draft something and circulate it.
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-tt-minutes.html nigel
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- Attendees were +1.720.897.aaaa, glenn, nigel, +41.22.717.aabb, Frans, tmichel, pal, Andreas, jdsmith, Mike
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