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12:57:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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12:57:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
12:57:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:57:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:32 <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2015
12:58:02 <deirdrelee> RSSAgent, make logs public
13:01:30 <deirdrelee> Hi,
13:01:50 <deirdrelee> i'm getting a 'conf is restricted at this time' msg when trying to dial in
13:01:56 <deirdrelee> are ye online?
13:02:47 <deirdrelee> oops, i'm an hour early...
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13:58:16 <hadleybeeman> Hello :)
13:58:25 <deirdrelee> hi
13:58:34 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?
13:58:34 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is
13:58:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
13:58:55 <deirdrelee> zakim, this will be dwbp
13:58:55 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started
13:58:57 <yaso> Hi Deirdre
13:59:03 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?
13:59:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
13:59:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
13:59:12 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:59:12 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
13:59:32 <deirdrelee> Hi Yaso
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14:00:45 <Zakim> + +1.510.384.aaaa
14:00:49 <Zakim> +yaso
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14:00:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:01:07 <antoine> zakim, IPCaller is me
14:01:07 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
14:01:12 <phila> zakim, ipcaller.a is me
14:01:12 <Zakim> +phila; got it
14:01:29 <yaso> I’m dialing!
14:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aabb
14:01:46 <laufer> laufer has joined #dwbp
14:01:58 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aacc
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14:02:01 <ericstephan> zakim, I am +1.509
14:02:02 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
14:02:37 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?
14:02:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc
14:02:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
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14:03:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:03:37 <laufer> Zakim, IPcaller is me
14:03:37 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
14:03:41 <ericstephan> 3 people from the US Pacific Time woo hoo!
14:03:41 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
14:04:10 <BernadetteLoscio> BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp
14:04:11 <SumitPurohit> Happy New Year.....
14:04:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
14:04:22 <Zakim> + +39.349.096.aadd
14:04:47 <Zakim> +??P27
14:04:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> zakim, +39.349.096.aadd is me
14:04:49 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni; got it
14:05:04 <MTCarrasco> zakim, +??P27 is me
14:05:04 <Zakim> sorry, MTCarrasco, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
14:05:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> Hi to all, happy 2015 ..
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14:05:33 <laufer> zakim, mute me
14:05:33 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
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14:05:37 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P27 is me
14:05:37 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
14:06:47 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aaee
14:06:58 <ericstephan> "zakim" took out the chair from under us
14:07:01 <MTCarrasco> zakim, mute me
14:07:01 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should now be muted
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14:07:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:07:24 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
14:07:24 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
14:07:35 <deirdrelee_> deirdrelee_ has joined #dwbp
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14:07:42 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?
14:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.609.557.aaee,
14:07:46 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio
14:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see newton, deirdrelee_, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, ericstephan, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, antoine, yaso, Zakim,
14:07:46 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
14:07:55 <annette_g> +1.510 is me
14:08:01 <deirdrelee_> sorry, wifi crashed...
14:08:04 <deirdrelee_> back in a sec
14:08:06 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaee is me
14:08:06 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it
14:08:16 <deirdrelee_> in the meantime,we need a scribe..
14:08:19 <hadleybeeman> no worries, deirdrelee_. Sorry you're having trouble!
14:08:24 <annette_g> Zakim, aaaa is me
14:08:24 <Zakim> +annette_g; got it
14:08:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:09:04 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is deirdrelee
14:09:04 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
14:09:52 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim
14:09:52 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BernadetteLoscio
14:10:12 <deirdrelee_> zakim, pick a victim
14:10:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan
14:10:24 <newton> newton has joined #dwbp
14:10:25 <ericstephan> I am more of a scribble than a scribe but ok
14:10:37 <phila> scribe: ericstephan
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14:10:44 <deirdrelee_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150108
14:11:29 <ericstephan> deirdrelle_:  Working on the bp document and the aim is to get the bp document out by the end of the month.
14:11:35 <phila> q+ to talk about schedule
14:11:41 <yaso> q?
14:11:57 <phila> ack me
14:11:57 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about schedule
14:11:58 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  just to follow the agenda we go back to the minutes..phil?
14:12:47 <ericstephan> phila:  From an outside perspective we have not been productive.  We really need the document done ready for review next week.
14:13:01 <ericstephan> phila:  Without publication we could be closed down
14:13:26 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
14:13:26 <ericstephan> phila:  We are under scrutiny because the publication processs takes a bit
14:13:44 <deirdrelee_> propose: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
14:14:06 <phila> proposed: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
14:14:10 <Zakim> +??P34
14:14:16 <annette_g> +1
14:14:16 <deirdrelee_> +1
14:14:17 <Eric_Kauz> +1
14:14:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
14:14:20 <phila> +1
14:14:21 <ericstephan> +1
14:14:24 <MTCarrasco> +1
14:14:26 <Zakim> -??P34
14:14:27 <SumitPurohit> +1
14:14:28 <yaso> +1
14:14:38 <laufer> 0 (was not here)
14:14:39 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
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14:14:43 <deirdrelee_> resolved: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
14:14:54 <Zakim> +??P34
14:15:04 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, P34 is me
14:15:04 <Zakim> sorry, CarlosIglesias, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'
14:15:11 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P34 is me
14:15:11 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
14:16:07 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  UCR document is still being worked on and checked into gihub by today.
14:16:22 <deirdrelee_> Topic: best practice document
14:16:31 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc today
14:17:06 <ericstephan> bernadette:  This week we sent an updated version of the document and included some best practices, created from the use case document.  The idea is that these requirements will be reflected in the bp
14:17:48 <ericstephan> bernadette:  Now we have in the best practice summary 25 best practices, however they are not complete.
14:18:35 <ericstephan> bernadette:  For example in data quality there are some grey areas where it isn't clear whether the requirement is for a bp or for the data quality vocabulary
14:19:13 <ericstephan> bernadette:  Also sent out a request for contributors, we the editors can't write it all.
14:19:28 <deirdrelee_> q?
14:19:54 <deirdrelee_> q+
14:19:55 <ericstephan> bernadette: We put up a wiki page in the email sent yesterday.  I think we made some progress.  We have a lot to do.
14:20:47 <ericstephan> bernadette:  We can choose not to work on all of the challenges identified in the use case document.  In section 4 we have a list of the challenges and each challenge will have a list of bp.
14:21:29 <ericstephan> bernadette:  we need help in the challenges and we need contributors for each section.
14:22:11 <ericstephan> bernadette:  Thank you for creating the issues that I included in the document.  Thanks @phila
14:22:47 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I'd like to hear your opinion about focusing on some challenges and what can we do for people to contribute.
14:23:17 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices
14:23:34 <antoine> deirdrelee_++ I am a contributor and I have no idea any more how all this is handled
14:23:37 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  can we start with the contributors in the bp.  How does this relate to the original people assigned to these sections?
14:23:51 <yaso> q?
14:24:18 <ericstephan> bernadette:  It would be great for the people originally assigned to contribute, we just need people to write.
14:24:58 <deirdrelee_> q-
14:25:26 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  Should we run through the list of original contributors and see their commitment?
14:26:17 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  We have 13 people on the call and 13 sections.
14:26:22 <ericstephan> q+
14:27:59 <phila> ericstephan: I'd be happy to contact some of the original contributors and try and encourage them to make good on their promise (paraphrase)
14:28:00 <MTCarrasco> I apply to works on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataIdentification
14:30:33 <ericstephan> annette_g:  data versioning and data formats
14:30:42 <ericstephan> erica_kauz:  data formats
14:30:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> I can try to write something rather general on data quality, anyone can join me?
14:30:57 <gatemezi> I can also work on bp #11, #13 or #14.
14:31:31 <gatemezi> ..of course not all, if some can join me
14:31:52 <ericstephan> antoine:  data quality activities have been postponed for the time being....
14:32:00 <SumitPurohit> I initially worked on Data Format with Eric K, i can continue that
14:32:27 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  Is there some plan around data quality, can we make some efforts to report back next week?
14:32:41 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion about the vocabs
14:32:54 <ericstephan> antoine:  I want to make sure this is independent of the vocabulary for now.
14:33:01 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
14:33:05 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
14:33:05 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about the vocabs
14:33:59 <ericstephan> phila:  We aren't getting the input that we need to make progress on the vocabularies.  We perhaps need to get real world people to say I would use...we might need to rethink this...
14:34:13 <phila> q-
14:34:18 <ericstephan> phila:  This is after the bp working draft
14:34:21 <antoine> +1
14:34:59 <ericstephan> phila:  A working draft can have open issues.  My concern is that the document is not quite ready.  We need more bp written.
14:35:29 <MTCarrasco> phila: not ready +1  it needs a lot of work
14:35:35 <Zakim> +Steve
14:35:38 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
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14:35:51 <adler1> sorry for being late
14:35:59 <ericstephan> antoine:  I could continue contributing toward vocabulary section I don't know who is working on this section
14:36:46 <hadleybeeman> q?
14:36:59 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  Would it make sense to put the other people you are aware of contributing and work with them to get more input?
14:37:16 <BernadetteLoscio> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/bp.html
14:38:10 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  eric_kauz do you still want to be on the data vocabulary?
14:38:26 <ericstephan> eric_kauz:  that would be fine
14:38:34 <phila> q+
14:38:38 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
14:39:07 <ericstephan> bernadette:  What we need to do is complete the BP for the vocabulary.  Igy made some progress, but the BP is not complete.  Review the text that is that and complete the BP
14:39:33 <ericstephan> antoine:  Do you know if Iggy is still working on this section?
14:39:47 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I don't think Iggy is working on this.
14:39:58 <phila> q-
14:40:47 <hadleybeeman> ping rhiaro_
14:40:48 <MTCarrasco> I can also work on Granularity
14:41:15 <ericstephan> Carlos:  I think I am already on a couple of sections so I will work on those.
14:41:21 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
14:41:26 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is noisy?
14:41:37 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (5%), CarlosIglesias (79%)
14:41:40 <riccardoAlbertoni>  I can try with Best Practice 14: Provide Data License ..
14:41:44 <ericstephan> Deirdrelee:  Can you add you name to list bernadette just created?
14:41:50 <deirdrelee_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_Contributors
14:42:12 <ericstephan> bad echo on the phone
14:42:14 <MTCarrasco> Bad echo on the line
14:42:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> noise and echo, please repeate..
14:42:40 <phila> zakim mute carlos
14:42:46 <phila> zakim, mute carlos
14:42:46 <Zakim> CarlosIglesias should now be muted
14:43:45 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  moving back to the actual document and bernadette do you want to go through the document and close the issues as we go
14:43:51 <deirdrelee_> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
14:44:26 <ericstephan> phila:  bernadette can you take us through the issues and close ones that we know are already resolved?
14:44:46 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
14:45:09 <phila> issue-100?
14:45:11 <trackbot> issue-100 -- organising BPs around Life Cycle -- open
14:45:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/100
14:45:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:45:56 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
14:45:56 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
14:46:05 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  newton  lead us thru discussion issues on  the BP document...?  Or bernadette?
14:46:50 <ericstephan> newton:  bernadette will know more about the issues because I have been working thru another part of the document.
14:48:25 <ericstephan> bernadette:  organizing bp around the lifecycle....I am not sure if there is a bp for data creation, is it possible to identify if this makes sense for data publication.
14:48:45 <deirdrelee_> q+
14:48:51 <laufer> q+
14:49:13 <phila> ack deirdrelee_
14:49:34 <phila> q+ to show a poss apporach
14:49:41 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
14:49:41 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
14:49:43 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee_
14:49:48 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  bp for lifecycle can be done after the bp have been followed.  After the bp have been written, here is how the bp can be applied in the context of lifecycle.
14:50:40 <phila> ack laufer
14:50:46 <phila> ack me
14:50:46 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to show a poss apporach
14:50:50 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/
14:50:52 <laufer> zakim, mute me
14:50:52 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
14:50:57 <deirdrelee_> ack phila
14:51:09 <ericstephan> laufer:  In the example of metadata, we have one phase of the lifecycle.  I agree with bernadette.
14:51:54 <ericstephan> phila:  maybe the document can be organized by challenge.  It might relate to several one one life cycle stages.
14:52:26 <phila> Close Issue-100, resolve structure once more BPs have been written
14:52:32 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/101
14:52:49 <ericstephan> phila:  editors choice on the issue
14:52:56 <phila> issue-101, close
14:53:06 <phila> trackbot, close issue-100
14:53:06 <trackbot> Closed issue-100.
14:53:16 <deirdrelee_> issue-102?
14:53:16 <trackbot> issue-102 -- Uuse Cases-BP links -- open
14:53:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102
14:53:17 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102
14:53:20 <phila> trackbot close issue-101 Editor's discretion
14:53:20 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot close issue-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
14:53:26 <phila> trackbot, close issue-101 Editor's discretion
14:53:26 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot, close issue-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
14:53:35 <phila> trackbot, close issue-101
14:53:35 <trackbot> Closed issue-101.
14:53:53 <phila> trackbot, close issue-102
14:53:53 <trackbot> Closed issue-102.
14:53:56 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  If no one else feels strongly about 102 we close that as well.
14:54:00 <deirdrelee_> issue-103
14:54:00 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open
14:54:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103
14:54:06 <phila> issue-103?
14:54:06 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open
14:54:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103
14:54:06 <hadleybeeman> 102 also looks like an editors' decision
14:54:53 <hadleybeeman> q+
14:55:40 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman:  does it help us explain anything else?  If it is just general then it might not be important to explain.
14:56:07 <adler1> user is fine
14:56:18 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  consistency in use of the terms is the most important thing to keep in mind.
14:56:38 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I agree, need to check this out.
14:56:44 <annette_g> q+
14:56:45 <adler1> consumer implies paying
14:56:48 <hadleybeeman> ack me
14:56:48 <laufer> q+
14:57:04 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
14:57:04 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
14:57:16 <ericstephan> phila:  I thought I heard Deirdre prefered user as opposed to consumer.  Something more commonly used.
14:57:23 <phila> PROPOSED: Data User is the term we will use unless there's a specific context that suggests otherwise
14:57:29 <yaso> Agree that user is better
14:57:31 <yaso> +1
14:57:42 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I'm not sure...
14:57:55 <yaso> q?
14:57:58 <phila> ack annette_g
14:58:38 <hadleybeeman> q+ to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs
14:58:55 <deirdrelee_> ack laufer
14:58:58 <ericstephan> annette_g:  The word user can be confused with a data user versus end user.  Maybe the phrase data user would help.
14:59:30 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
14:59:39 <ericstephan> laufer:  I think that user can be confusing.  I agree with Annette.  Data user and not just user alone.
14:59:48 <gatemezi> data user seems to be more generic, as it contains "end users", "developers", etc.
14:59:49 <yaso> data user isn’t the same as the developer?
15:00:01 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
15:00:01 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs
15:00:28 <laufer> zakim, mute me
15:00:28 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
15:00:29 <deirdrelee_> darnit, call dropped and zakim won't let me back in
15:00:32 <phila> hadleybeeman: I see plusses and minuses to both consumer and user. Whatever term we use we should be consistent, or ot could be more confusing
15:00:37 <deirdrelee_> hadleybeeman, can you wrap up?
15:01:08 <phila> hadleybeeman: If we were writing a narrative then a variety of terms is good but most people will read specs by jumping around, just hte bots they want, so uniformity is important
15:01:21 <ericstephan> hadley: I just wanted to say I see both + and - about either approach. Data user versus user.  To annette's approach about how we write.  If people just jump around reading parts of the bp document we want to ensure consistency
15:01:48 <gatemezi> +1 to Hadley
15:02:01 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
15:02:05 <laufer> bye all, nice wkd...
15:02:07 <Zakim> -Steve
15:02:07 <yaso> Bye all!
15:02:08 <Zakim> -antoine
15:02:11 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
15:02:12 <CarlosIglesias> byebye
15:02:12 <Zakim> -phila
15:02:12 <adler1> ciao
15:02:12 <MTCarrasco> Bye
15:02:13 <Zakim> - +1.617.646.aacc
15:02:13 <Zakim> -annette_g
15:02:14 <Zakim> -laufer
15:02:16 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
15:02:16 <Zakim> -ericstephan
15:02:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye
15:02:21 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
15:02:28 <phila> zakim, bye
15:02:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.617.646.aacc, ericstephan, laufer, HadleyBeeman,
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15:02:36 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:02:46 <ericstephan> hadley:  just to underscrore the schedule deirdre brought to our attention.  We need to make lots of progress this next week.
15:03:08 <ericstephan> sorry for being behind on the scribing.
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