IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2015-01-08

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15:46:56 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
15:46:56 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
15:46:57 [trackbot]: Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:46:57 [trackbot]: Date: 08 January 2015
15:47:27 [Kim]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Jan/0001.html
15:47:46 [Kim]: chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin
15:50:39 [Kim]: Agenda+ Mockup of Appendix A
15:50:40 [Kim]: Agenda+ Status of the Note
15:50:42 [Kim]: Agenda+ Next Steps - next meeting will be Friday Jan 15
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15:58:18 [Zakim]: WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
15:58:25 [Zakim]: +Kathy_Wahlbin
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16:03:03 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:03:09 [jeanne]: agenda?
16:03:10 [Kim]: zakim, drop item 3
16:03:12 [Zakim]: agendum 3, Next Steps - next meeting will be Friday Jan 15, dropped
16:03:32 [Zakim]: +TomB
16:03:32 [Jan]: zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
16:03:34 [Zakim]: +Jan; got it
16:05:09 [Zakim]: +Marc_Johlic
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16:07:02 [jeanne]: +1 at CSUN
16:09:27 [Jan]: +1 to that day
16:10:18 [Kim]: Kathy: Tuesday, March 3 possible joint meeting with WCAG at CSUN
16:10:54 [Kim]: I'll put out a survey with that question. We are also looking at people attending remotely..
16:11:27 [Kim]: zakim, take up next
16:11:29 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "Mockup of Appendix A" taken up [from Kim]
16:12:10 [Kim]: Kathy: make sure that we align with WCAG so we have consistency within documentation
16:12:16 [Kathy]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
16:12:34 [Kathy]: Scribe: Kathy
16:12:53 [Kathy]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/WD-Mobile-A11y-NOTE-20141219/AppendixA.html
16:13:08 [Kathy]: Kim - the first link is the work we did previously
16:13:31 [Kathy]: Kim - the second URL is the appendix A that lists the WCAG 2.0 Techniques that Apply to Mobile
16:14:46 [Kathy]: Jeanne - this was a manual process of putting this together
16:15:00 [Kathy]: Jeanne - we envision on having collapsible text
16:15:28 [Zakim]: +AWK
16:15:43 [Zakim]: +??P1
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16:16:17 [Kathy]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/
16:16:40 [Kim]: Kathy: so the idea is to have a list that applies to mobile.
16:16:57 [AWK]: Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:16:57 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Kathy_Wahlbin, Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Jan, TomB, Marc_Johlic, Jon_avila, AWK, Michael_Cooper (muted)
16:17:14 [Kim]: Kathy: the doesn't seem to be any exceptions that have come across so far – the general techniques apply to both native and web, the HTML, scripting and aria all apply to mobile web and don't really apply to the native apps because they are very specific techniques to HTML
16:17:48 [Kim]: Kathy: and so with that we don't necessarily need to call out native and web specifically, we could do a general statement, and if there are exceptions we could list those out
16:18:22 [Kim]: Kathy: also listing out failures just they are in WCAG – looking at this so we can align so it's closer to the structure of WCAG
16:18:31 [Jan]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
16:18:36 [Kim]: Kathy: ideas about this? How can we present the so it's clearer?
16:19:15 [Kim]: Jan: looking at what's actionable, when it doesn't say native apps…
16:19:42 [Kim]: Kathy: I went through n detail this week and I didn't see any that wouldn't apply to native apps
16:19:53 [Kim]: Jan: depends on what you've built your HTML with
16:20:39 [Kim]: Kathy: that would be a hybrid app, so we could call that out specifically. Instead of applies to native and web it applies to programming in iOS Android framework versus HTML CSS aria are for HTML development
16:21:15 [Kim]: Kathy: you are right Jan it's more complicated because we have hybrid apps
16:21:25 [Kim]: Jan: filter native, hybrid
16:21:41 [Kim]: Kathy: right now we don't, so this appendix is designed to give someone a snapshot of what is applicable to mobile
16:21:58 [jeanne]: q+ to say that the advantage of Kathy's proposal is that it can be automated.
16:22:16 [Kim]: Jan: great if someone wants to see the whole thing, but maybe at the top quick list, what doesn't apply. That's what's interesting
16:22:52 [Kim]: Jeanne: we should automate this
16:23:47 [Kim]: Jeanne: room is available, need to firm up quickly
16:25:59 [Kim]: Andrew: WCAG hasn't come to clear conclusion about whether we will meet or not. Either its shared or mobile.
16:26:13 [Kim]: Andrew: Tuesdays the day we would be meeting.
16:26:50 [Kim]: Jeanne: so two rooms and we can be flexible
16:27:04 [Kim]: Kathy: still need to poll the group to see who's going to be there
16:28:00 [Kim]: Kathy: we can sort out the details but it would be good to schedule something and we will work out what to do as far as cooperation with WCAG and meeting time. If people can plan if you are going to CSUN to be there on Tuesday.
16:28:12 [Kim]: Jeanne: room is tentative
16:28:21 [Kim]: Kathy: we will plan on it and work something out
16:28:48 [Kim]: Kathy: any other thoughts on appendix a. I'm working toward making the changes to the structure of it so now's the time to voice any concerns or suggestions
16:29:40 [Kim]: Kathy: Andrew, is this something the WCAG working group would like to look at after we have put together – this is separate from the note right now
16:29:45 [Kim]: Andrew: Yes
16:29:58 [Kim]: zakim, next item
16:29:58 [Zakim]: I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Kim
16:30:28 [Kim]: q-
16:30:52 [Kim]: q- jeanne
16:31:19 [Kim]: zakim, next item
16:31:19 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "Status of the Note" taken up [from Kim]
16:31:42 [Kim]: Kathy: questions, when will sections be ready? Over the next few weeks we will be reviewing sections and getting those finalized
16:32:14 [Kim]: Jan: I feel like I've wrapped up my sections and I took my name off them so anyone can go in and edit as well. If there are other sections you'd like me to work on shoot them over
16:32:31 [Kim]: Kathy: we will review Jan's sections next week, and I should have mine done as well
16:32:43 [jon_avila]: I put in my bit on contrast.
16:32:56 [Kim]: Kathy: Marc, if there's any sections that you feel you'd like to contribute on or any comments that you have on this document we love to get your input
16:33:11 [Kim]: Jon: email on contrast
16:33:27 [Kim]: Kathy: did you add in the stuff from Greg
16:34:05 [Kim]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile
16:34:33 [Kim]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:35:27 [Kim]: Kathy: what I will do for next week is detail the sections, put out a survey so we can review the sections. If you have time please work on writing for the assigned sections. If you have time and can work on other sections or have comments feel free to put those into the document.
16:35:59 [Kim]: Kathy: we can use the time left today to work on the note, and then next time will be going over those sections that are marked done
16:36:11 [Kim]: Kathy: any other questions about what we are trying to accomplish or time frames
16:36:23 [AWK]: q+
16:36:34 [Kim]: Kathy: please take time to read through the note, send your comments either in an email to the group or put them in the document. We would like to have conversations going off-line as well so we can continue moving this forward.
16:37:32 [Kim]: Andrew: to get Jan's attention because he did the keyboard section – I put a note, talking to Randy Marston about keyboard access later today.
16:37:37 [AWK]: q-
16:38:10 [Kim]: Jan: we can express the keyboard access is very important
16:38:29 [Kim]: Andrew: I will also suggest that if he knows someone from Apple who can be involved with the task force that would be useful
16:43:30 [Zakim]: -AWK
16:43:31 [Zakim]: -Jeanne
16:43:33 [Zakim]: -Jon_avila
16:43:33 [Zakim]: -Kim_Patch
16:43:34 [Zakim]: -Michael_Cooper
16:43:34 [Zakim]: -TomB
16:43:35 [Zakim]: -Kathy_Wahlbin
16:43:35 [Zakim]: -Jan
16:43:36 [Zakim]: -Marc_Johlic
16:43:38 [Zakim]: WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended
16:43:38 [Zakim]: Attendees were Kathy_Wahlbin, Kim_Patch, Jeanne, TomB, Jan, Marc_Johlic, Jon_avila, AWK, Michael_Cooper
16:47:34 [Kim]: rrsagent, make minutes
16:47:34 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kim
16:49:43 [Kim]: rrsagent, bye
16:49:43 [RRSAgent]: I see no action items