15:34:36 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 15:34:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-html-a11y-irc 15:34:38 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:34:38 Zakim has joined #html-a11y 15:34:40 Zakim, this will be 2119 15:34:40 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 34 minutes ago 15:34:41 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 15:34:41 Date: 08 January 2015 15:34:53 agenda? 15:35:53 Chair: Janina 15:35:53 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List 15:35:56 agenda+ Alt Note Status; Shane and Liam 15:35:58 agenda+ Media Subteam Update -- John, Shane, Janina 15:36:01 agenda+ Canvas 2D Update -- Mark 15:36:03 agenda+ TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track 15:36:06 agenda+ Other Business 15:36:08 agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List 15:36:11 agenda+ be done 15:36:20 zakim, next item 15:36:20 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina] 15:51:08 LJWatson has joined #html-a11y 15:54:03 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started 15:54:10 +??P5 15:54:16 zakim, ??P5 is me 15:54:16 +janina; got it 15:54:32 chaals has joined #html-a11y 15:55:36 Hmmm, how about the Hebrew calendar? 15:56:43 So far, just yours truly on the phone ... 16:00:50 +[IPcaller] 16:00:59 zakim, [ip is me 16:00:59 +chaals; got it 16:01:23 paulc has joined #html-a11y 16:01:32 zakim, what is the code? 16:01:32 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc 16:01:45 +[IPcaller] 16:01:56 +Joanmarie_Diggs 16:02:04 zakim, [ip is leonie 16:02:04 +leonie; got it 16:02:23 +[Microsoft] 16:02:36 zakim, [Microsoft] is me 16:02:36 +paulc; got it 16:02:38 zakim, agenda? 16:02:38 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda: 16:02:39 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina] 16:02:39 2. Alt Note Status; Shane and Liam [from janina] 16:02:39 3. Media Subteam Update -- John, Shane, Janina [from janina] 16:02:39 4. Canvas 2D Update -- Mark [from janina] 16:02:39 5. TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track [from janina] 16:02:40 6. Other Business [from janina] 16:02:41 7. Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina] 16:02:41 8. be done [from janina] 16:02:50 + +1.617.319.aaaa 16:02:54 scribe: chaals 16:03:00 zakim, close item 1 16:03:00 agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed 16:03:02 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:03:02 2. Alt Note Status; Shane and Liam [from janina] 16:03:10 zakim, aaaa is mark 16:03:10 +mark; got it 16:03:16 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 16:03:16 sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 16:03:25 zakim, mark is markS 16:03:25 +markS; got it 16:03:33 aardrian has joined #html-a11y 16:03:52 zakim, who is here? 16:03:52 On the phone I see janina, chaals, leonie, Joanmarie_Diggs, paulc, markS 16:03:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:03:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals 16:03:54 On IRC I see aardrian, paulc, chaals, LJWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, Joshue, IanPouncey, liam, MarkS, janina, sivoais, cabanier, hober, joanie, trackbot 16:04:08 +Adrian_Roselli 16:04:16 rrsagent, make log public 16:04:23 Meeting: HTML Accessibiity TF 16:04:27 Chair: Janina 16:04:42 Judy has joined #html-a11y 16:05:11 +Judy 16:05:15 Present: Chaals, Janina, PaulC, MarkS, Léonie, Adrian, JoanMarie, Judy 16:06:17 zakim, take up item 3 16:06:17 agendum 3. "Media Subteam Update -- John, Shane, Janina" taken up [from janina] 16:06:30 Topic: Media Subteam. 16:06:50 JS: Believe our Media Accessibility User Requirements document is ready. 16:07:20 … 4 or 5 years old, been through review, most recently from august version we received various comments. 16:07:33 +JF 16:07:45 Present+ John Foliot 16:07:55 JF has joined #html-a11y 16:07:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:07:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals 16:08:18 q+ 16:08:41 … Comments have been resolved in latest draft, ready to call for comments, and if there is nothing more to do we should publish the document as a Note under PF. 16:09:22 Final Draft: http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/media-accessibility-reqs/ 16:09:22 Comment Responses: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing_2 16:09:23 s/John Foliot/JohnF/ 16:09:25 16:09:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:09:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals 16:09:37 ack ju 16:10:28 JB: Talked to Josh from SKERI, was interested to hear about the document, may have some stuff that might intersect with it. 16:11:10 ACTION: Judy to point Josh from Smith Kettlewell to the MUAR document 16:11:11 Created ACTION-295 - Point josh from smith kettlewell to the muar document [on Judy Brewer - due 2015-01-15]. 16:11:34 action-295 due 2015-01-10 16:11:34 Set action-295 Point josh from smith kettlewell to the muar document due date to 2015-01-10. 16:11:51 JS: It is a complicated document, requiring expertise in various areas. 16:12:07 … would be great if Josh can join us on Monday. 16:12:17 … Unlikely to publish before February in any case. 16:13:38 zakim, close this item 16:13:38 agendum 3 closed 16:13:40 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:13:40 2. Alt Note Status; Shane and Liam [from janina] 16:13:45 Topic: Canvas 16:14:11 MS: Been hard to meet recently, we've continued to clean up testing documentation - work to be done still but we are making progress. 16:14:32 … Need to complete Test Suite before we move forward. 16:14:47 JS: Is there a regular meeting time set? 16:14:56 MS: 3pm Fridays, Boston time. 16:15:26 JS: Email traffic is on a separate list, right? Nor is it part of this TF but part of HTML WG - now a sibling instead of child… 16:15:39 zakim, close item 4 16:15:39 agendum 4, Canvas 2D Update -- Mark, closed 16:15:40 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:15:40 2. Alt Note Status; Shane and Liam [from janina] 16:15:55 agenda? 16:16:10 Topic: open actions 16:16:13 http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track 16:16:46 action-136 16:16:46 action-136 -- John Foliot to Describe the issues of controls vs. no controls -- due 2013-02-07 -- OPEN 16:16:46 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/136 16:17:15 JF: Believe this can be closed as overtaken by time. 16:17:20 close action-136 16:17:20 Closed action-136. 16:17:21 +Liam 16:17:28 action-276 16:17:28 action-276 -- John Foliot to Revisit whether to require transcripts be html5 -- due 2014-07-21 -- OPEN 16:17:28 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/276 16:18:00 JF: Believe it is on our roadmap for HTML.next - needs fixing. 16:18:09 +Cynthia_Shelly 16:18:09 close action-236 16:18:09 Closed action-236. 16:18:15 plh has joined #html-a11y 16:18:20 +Plh 16:18:21 action-292 16:18:21 action-292 -- John Foliot to see if https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437 applies to html 5.1 -- due 2014-12-18 -- OPEN 16:18:21 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/292 16:19:33 JF: Can be closed. 16:19:38 close action-292 16:19:38 Closed action-292. 16:20:05 action-221 16:20:05 action-221 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Raise a bug on html5 to clarify that sign language videos are an important accessibility use case for multiple video tracks. -- due 2013-12-19 -- OPEN 16:20:05 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/221 16:20:23 CMN: Thought I had done it, apparently not. 16:20:31 action-221 due in 2 weeks 16:20:31 Set action-221 Raise a bug on html5 to clarify that sign language videos are an important accessibility use case for multiple video tracks. due date to 2015-01-22. 16:20:40 action-255 16:20:40 action-255 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Look into calendaring in yandex -- due 2014-05-29 -- OPEN 16:20:40 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/255 16:21:39 CMN: Nothing useful to offer at this stage on calendaring. 16:21:43 close action-225 16:21:44 Closed action-225. 16:22:24 action-260 16:22:25 action-260 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Present web payments in tf meeting -- due 2014-08-21 -- OPEN 16:22:25 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/260 16:22:31 JS: you did that 16:22:48 CMN: Yes, but I would like to do it again, so I am going to give myself a few months and come back to it. 16:23:02 action-260 due in 3 months 16:23:02 Set action-260 Present web payments in tf meeting due date to 2015-04-08. 16:23:13 JF: Jeff Jaffe wrote a good article on that… 16:23:30 action-294 16:23:30 action-294 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Talk torobin about an accesskey (maybe etc) module for html -- due 2014-12-25 -- OPEN 16:23:30 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/294 16:23:39 CMN: I haven't got hold of Robin yet, but will. 16:24:02 PC: You should try to do that. Robin will try to deliver a possible list of modules by the middle of the month. 16:24:26 CMN: Yep, hopefully today or tomorrow. 16:24:35 action-294 due in 1 week 16:24:35 Set action-294 Talk torobin about an accesskey (maybe etc) module for html due date to 2015-01-15. 16:24:51 action-291 16:24:51 action-291 -- Liam Quin to Check bugzilla for where to file alt not bugs -- due 2014-12-18 -- OPEN 16:24:51 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/291 16:26:27 LQ: Can be closed, there is a place to file them. 16:26:33 CMN: Is it in the editors' draft? 16:26:36 LQ: Yep. 16:26:45 close action-291 16:26:45 Closed action-291. 16:27:02 action-246 16:27:02 action-246 -- Mark Sadecki to Enter comment into old tracker -- due 2014-05-19 -- OPEN 16:27:02 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/246 16:27:45 MS: in reference to MAUR - has been done. 16:27:49 close action-246 16:27:50 Closed action-246. 16:27:55 +David_MacDonald 16:28:03 action-248 16:28:03 action-248 -- Mark Sadecki to Email point people for html5.1 issues -- due 2014-05-22 -- OPEN 16:28:03 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/248 16:28:07 close action-248 16:28:07 Closed action-248. 16:28:11 action-251 16:28:11 action-251 -- Mark Sadecki to Turn notes on uc 1-7 into something more formal -- due 2014-05-26 -- OPEN 16:28:11 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/251 16:28:41 MS: Believe it is related to TV and Web WG... 16:28:55 David has joined #html-a11y 16:28:56 close action-251 16:28:56 Closed action-251. 16:29:02 action-252 16:29:02 action-252 -- Mark Sadecki to Log bug on focus ring in ff -- due 2014-05-26 -- OPEN 16:29:02 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/252 16:29:08 close action-252 16:29:08 Closed action-252. 16:29:22 action-270 16:29:22 action-270 -- Mark Sadecki to Follow up on https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=26059 -- due 2014-07-02 -- OPEN 16:29:22 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/270 16:29:31 close action-268 16:29:31 Closed action-268. 16:30:13 close action-270 16:30:13 Closed action-270. 16:30:19 action-278 16:30:19 action-278 -- Mark Sadecki to And jf to present on picture element and srcset for a11y concerns -- due 2014-08-07 -- OPEN 16:30:19 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/278 16:30:36 close action-278 16:30:36 Closed action-278. 16:30:52 close action-283 16:30:52 Closed action-283. 16:31:16 action-151 16:31:16 action-151 -- Janina Sajka to Start putting a Bugzilla Cheat Sheet together for TF due 20130201 -- due 2012-12-20 -- OPEN 16:31:16 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/151 16:31:36 JS: Low on my priorities - do people still want me to do that? 16:31:45 JB: re people having difficulty dealing with Bugzilla? 16:31:55 s/re people/are people/ 16:32:10 JS: Doesn't sound like anybody crying for that, let's close it. 16:32:14 close action-151 16:32:14 Closed action-151. 16:32:28 action-187 16:32:28 action-187 -- Janina Sajka to Find someone from AIsquared. -- due 2013-08-12 -- OPEN 16:32:28 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/187 16:32:51 close action-187 16:32:51 Closed action-187. 16:32:56 JS: We did, related to canvas. 16:33:04 action-219 16:33:04 action-219 -- Janina Sajka to Bring back a proposal for how the tf should deal with html bug 23661 (normative change, informative editorial change, …) -- due 2013-12-12 -- OPEN 16:33:04 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/219 16:33:14 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #html-a11y 16:33:55 CMN: I took that and think it is dealt with. 16:34:01 close action-219 16:34:01 Closed action-219. 16:34:20 action-266 16:34:20 action-266 -- Janina Sajka to Clarify reason for using "subtitle" superset term as opposed to "captions" subset -- due 2014-06-18 -- OPEN 16:34:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/266 16:34:31 close action-243 16:34:31 Closed action-243. 16:34:36 close action-258 16:34:36 Closed action-258. 16:35:55 action-258 due in 2 weeks 16:35:55 Set action-258 Present on date ui in tf meeting. due 2014-07-20 due date to 2015-01-22. 16:36:00 JS: SHould look into this. 16:36:04 action-286 16:36:05 action-286 -- Janina Sajka to Sajka to work with john foliot and mark sadeckit to test accessibility of available eme examples. -- due 2014-10-23 -- OPEN 16:36:05 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/286 16:36:20 MS: Close it 16:36:27 close action-286 16:36:27 Closed action-286. 16:36:32 action-288 16:36:32 action-288 -- Janina Sajka to Look into whether there is a good way to address the concern about linking the items in section 2 into other w3c resources -- due 2014-11-24 -- OPEN 16:36:32 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/288 16:37:23 JS: We did this. 16:37:28 close action-288 16:37:28 Closed action-288. 16:37:46 action-142 16:37:46 action-142 -- Cynthia Shelly to File HTML bug about methods that should fail when an element has @hidden set -- due 2012-10-11 -- OPEN 16:37:46 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/142 16:38:25 CS: Are we still concerned about this? 16:38:28 CMN: I am 16:38:36 CS: Give me a month? 16:38:44 action-142 due in a month 16:38:44 Set action-142 File HTML bug about methods that should fail when an element has @hidden set due date to 2015-01-08. 16:38:57 action-189 16:38:57 action-189 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what MS products do with lang attribute -- due 2013-08-15 -- OPEN 16:38:57 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/189 16:39:19 action-189 due in 1 month 16:39:19 Set action-189 Investigate what MS products do with lang attribute due date to 2015-02-08. 16:39:31 action-256 16:39:31 action-256 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a wiki page dealing with math accessibility -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN 16:39:31 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/256 16:39:43 CMN: I will take that over. 16:40:03 chaals: please add me as interested in that math one 16:40:24 chaals, please add me as well 16:40:24 cyns has joined #html-a11y 16:40:37 action-274 16:40:38 action-274 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add more information to https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 -- due 2014-07-03 -- OPEN 16:40:38 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/274 16:40:55 LJWatson has joined #html-a11y 16:42:12 CS: A bit tricky, but give me a month to chase it down 16:42:19 action-274 due in 1 month 16:42:19 Set action-274 Add more information to https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 due date to 2015-02-08. 16:42:56 close action-254 16:42:56 Closed action-254. 16:43:07 action-261 16:43:07 action-261 -- Léonie Watson to Present realtime chat in tf meeting -- due 2014-06-26 -- OPEN 16:43:07 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/261 16:43:22 close action-261 16:43:22 Closed action-261. 16:44:27 close action-272 16:44:27 Closed action-272. 16:44:30 action-273 16:44:31 action-273 -- Léonie Watson to Look more closely at https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13508 and add comments -- due 2014-07-02 -- OPEN 16:44:31 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/273 16:45:34 action-273 due in 2 weeks 16:45:34 Set action-273 Look more closely at https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13508 and add comments due date to 2015-01-22. 16:46:49 Topic: alt note update 16:47:10 LQ: Over the break I made some notes towards filing bugs… 16:47:16 …have a bunch of things to do. 16:47:28 JS: So proceeding, but not "done" for review 16:47:50 LQ: Yep. Need to sit down with Shane, implement the editorial ones and come back with substantive questions. 16:48:02 ACTION: Liam to present substantive alt note bugs 16:48:02 Created ACTION-296 - Present substantive alt note bugs [on Liam Quin - due 2015-01-15]. 16:48:10 action-296 due in 2 weeks 16:48:10 Set action-296 Present substantive alt note bugs due date to 2015-01-22. 16:48:24 Topic: other business 16:48:35 JS: Will we follow up on menu at some point this year? 16:48:44 CS: Yeah, probably… want to put a date? 16:48:58 ACTION: Cynthia to present a proposal on menus 16:48:58 Created ACTION-297 - Present a proposal on menus [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-01-15]. 16:49:08 action-297 due in 8 months 16:49:08 Set action-297 Present a proposal on menus due date to 2015-09-08. 16:50:16 -Cynthia_Shelly 16:50:17 -JF 16:50:17 -leonie 16:50:18 -Joanmarie_Diggs 16:50:19 [adjourned] 16:50:19 -Adrian_Roselli 16:50:22 aardrian has left #html-a11y 16:50:23 -markS 16:50:28 -David_MacDonald 16:50:52 -chaals 16:50:56 -Plh 16:50:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:50:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals 16:50:59 -janina 16:51:00 -Liam 16:51:01 -Judy 16:51:15 -paulc 16:51:16 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended 16:51:16 Attendees were janina, [IPcaller], chaals, Joanmarie_Diggs, leonie, paulc, +1.617.319.aaaa, markS, Adrian_Roselli, Judy, JF, Liam, Cynthia_Shelly, Plh, David_MacDonald 16:54:22 Present+ PLH, Cynthia, Liam, DavidM 16:54:27 Regrets: Shane 17:27:19 LJWatson has left #html-a11y 17:57:36 chaals has joined #html-a11y