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15:00:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be Process
15:00:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference
15:00:05 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2015
15:01:09 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has now started
15:01:16 <Zakim> +SteveZ
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15:03:25 <SteveZ> chair: SteveZ
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15:04:27 <SteveZ> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2015Jan/0000.html
15:07:46 <SteveZ> ping, timeless
15:08:02 <SteveZ> s/ping, timeless//
15:08:17 <jeff> scribenick: jeff
15:09:24 <jeff> SZ: Looking for Chaals
15:09:42 <jeff> ... Action 38 was done
15:10:04 <jeff> ... Action 40 was done
15:10:23 <jeff> ... Action 43 is done.
15:10:47 <jeff> ... Action 44 is still open
15:10:54 <jeff> ... Action 45 is done.
15:11:04 <jeff> q+
15:12:09 <jeff> Jeff: In closure of Action 40 there should be a comment that this will be done by best practice document.
15:12:17 <jeff> SZ; Agreed.
15:12:22 <SteveZ> TOPIC: Discuss proceeding with Process Document development
15:12:59 <jeff> SZ: Chaals asked for time at the AB meeting to discuss how to proceed.
15:13:07 <jeff> ... Don't know his idea
15:13:26 <jeff> ... Current plan is to have a document for the AB to review in Tokyo
15:13:33 <jeff> ... Believe we are close
15:14:06 <jeff> ... Going through previous minutes
15:14:18 <jeff> ... So we should get a draft out in early February
15:14:24 <jeff> ... AB review at F2F.
15:15:07 <jeff> ... Still open on PSIG request for text on errata because PSIG got distracted on FAQ 37
15:15:26 <jeff> ... substantive change requires call for exclusions
15:15:47 <jeff> ... so we never got comments on Errata text
15:16:04 <jeff> ... Geoffrey has asked for updating of spec to say only certain changes are included
15:16:12 <jeff> ... not substantive ones
15:16:18 <jeff> ... that's up to PSIG
15:16:25 <jeff> q+
15:16:28 <timeless> Zakim, code?
15:16:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 7762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), timeless
15:16:40 <Zakim> + +1.416.440.aaaa
15:16:41 <jeff> ... meanwhile we didn't get an answer to our question
15:16:44 <timeless> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:16:44 <Zakim> +timeless; got it
15:16:51 <jeff> ... any issue we need to close?
15:16:58 <jeff> q+ to comment on FAQ 37
15:16:58 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:17:01 <timeless> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:17:05 <jeff> Q+ jj to talk about issues in general
15:17:20 <timeless> s/SZ;/SZ:/
15:17:46 <jeff> ack je
15:17:46 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to comment on FAQ 37
15:17:57 <jeff> Jeff: I thought in the email thread we decided there was no issue on FAQ 37
15:17:59 <timeless> Zakim, mute m
15:17:59 <Zakim> Mike_Champion should now be muted
15:18:02 <timeless> Zakim, mute me
15:18:02 <Zakim> timeless should now be muted
15:18:06 <timeless> Zakim, unmute mik
15:18:06 <Zakim> Mike_Champion should no longer be muted
15:18:13 <jeff> SZ: No issue on the process, but still it implies that we can do substantive changes
15:18:16 <timeless> Zakim, who is on the call?
15:18:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveZ, Jeff, dsinger, Mike_Champion, timeless (muted)
15:18:45 <timeless> i/Action 38 was done/topic: Review Open Action Items/
15:19:25 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:19:35 <jeff> SZ: Geoffrey is still concerned with FAQ 37 text
15:19:59 <jeff> Jeff: They should bring it back to the discussion thread.
15:20:14 <jeff> Mike: Let's not let mild concerns get in the way of progress
15:20:47 <jeff> SZ: True, but it re-popped-up on PSIG thread
15:21:07 <jeff> Dave: PSIG must express concerns, but it should not stop us
15:21:31 <jeff> SZ: There are no problems but we need to still find out.
15:22:01 <jeff> Jeff: So we will proceeed as if there are no issues, but we need an answer on Errata text.
15:22:07 <timeless> i|Action 38 was done|-> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open/ Open Issues|
15:22:08 <jeff> SZ: I will respond to Scott with that.
15:22:11 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:22:30 <timeless> s/Open Issues/Open Actions/
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15:23:36 <jeff> Jeff: When we bring Process2015 to the AB, we should collect the major issues we plan to address in Process2016
15:23:42 <jeff> ... CGs may be an example.
15:24:01 <timeless> Zakim, unmute me
15:24:03 <Zakim> timeless should no longer be muted
15:24:11 <jeff> Steve: I've been focused on Process 2015, but yes, I should have the additional points when we go to the AB
15:24:17 <jeff> Steve: Anything else?
15:24:25 <jeff> Timeless: I need to review my notes
15:24:43 <jeff> ... Daniel's notes on recharting being problematic for some kinds of groups
15:24:51 <jeff> ... Recent progress between Daniel and Art.
15:25:05 <jeff> Steve: Good examples
15:25:24 <jeff> ... Elika raised issues with difficulties of Errata process, as well.
15:25:40 <jeff> Timeless: Around TPAC time
15:25:45 <jeff> SZ: Just past
15:26:47 <jeff> Timeless: Corollary of Issue-93 is that we have short-lived and long-lived WGs (with many documents)
15:26:58 <jeff> ... these don't work well together: process, patent policy
15:27:06 <jeff> ... we should improve that.
15:27:11 <jeff> Steve: That's Supergroups
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15:27:26 <dsinger___> Q+
15:27:32 <jeff> Timeless: Some is errata to patent policy
15:27:35 <jeff> q- jj
15:28:17 <jeff> SZ: Supergroups is not an AB project this year - right Jeff
15:28:20 <jeff> Jeff: Right.
15:29:00 <jeff> Dave: [muffled@@] I want to review errata text
15:29:24 <jeff> SZ: I tried to make it vague enough so you can put it inline in document.
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15:29:34 <jeff> ... removed text that it points to a separate errata document
15:29:42 <jeff> ... but I agree with your comment
15:29:48 <jeff> ack ds
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15:30:30 <jeff> SZ: Summary.  We are very close to having a doc for Process 2015, with the exception of splitting the document into 2 pieces
15:30:48 <jeff> ... In preparing for the AB we will include a list of topics for Process 2016.
15:31:05 <jeff> ... We will make sure that text for errata allows automatic generation of errata document
15:31:12 <jeff> ... as well as inline.
15:31:30 <jeff> Topic: Review latest process document
15:31:40 <SteveZ> TOPIC: Review Lastest Process Document Draft
15:32:00 <jeff> SZ: Chaals sent out a doc
15:32:07 <jeff> ... Don't know if anyone read it.
15:32:35 <jeff> ... Still has COO line (in Section 2.2)
15:33:24 <jeff> ... process document getting smaller
15:33:25 <jeff> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/3c4bc56ce16b/cover.html#Organization
15:33:31 <SteveZ> Chaals drafts is at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/3c4bc56ce16b/cover.html
15:34:10 <jeff> Timeless: Current doc is 40 pages.  Editor's draft is 36 pages.
15:34:31 <SteveZ> Team section; https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/3c4bc56ce16b/cover.html#Team
15:34:40 <jeff> SZ: I guess Activities did not reduce too much
15:35:12 <jeff> Timeless: In ack section, both B's in BlackBerry must be capitaliZed
15:35:30 <jeff> SZ: Send Chaals a note
15:35:53 <jeff> SZ: Director as lead technical architect, etc., is in there
15:36:11 <jeff> ... COO line got left in because it was not clear where those tasks go.
15:36:12 <jeff> q+
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15:36:58 <jeff> ack je
15:37:09 <jeff> SZ: Jeff, are you happy with the current text: COO, etc?
15:37:26 <jeff> Jeff: I thought we were going to substantially simplify the text and remove the reference to the COO.
15:37:44 <jeff> SZ: Why don't you suggest what should disappear.
15:38:42 <jeff> ... I was not sure what you wanted.
15:39:10 <jeff> Jeff: I thought we discussed that and made decisions
15:39:19 <jeff> SZ: We need a concrete proposal
15:40:11 <jeff> Jeff: I am happy to do it if the Editor feels that previous discussions are not clear enough.
15:40:20 <jeff> SZ: We'll take it offline.
15:40:24 <jeff> Jeff: Perfect.
15:40:36 <jeff> SZ: Anyone have any issues with the draft?
15:41:00 <jeff> [Silence]
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15:41:31 <jeff> SZ: Issue-93
15:41:42 <timeless> s/Topic: Review latest process document//
15:41:44 <jeff> ... This is closer to a PSIG issue
15:41:59 <jeff> ... Chaals raised it; not sure what he had in mind.
15:42:15 <timeless> i/Issue-/Topic: Issue-93: What should the requirements be for specifications produced by more than one WG?/
15:42:23 <jeff> ... patent policy piece; decision making piece
15:42:27 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:42:45 <jeff> ... may be for Process2016.  Not a simple solution.
15:42:47 <jeff> q+
15:42:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'issue-93'
15:42:59 <SteveZ> TOPIC: Issue-93
15:43:12 <timeless> s/TOPIC: Issue-93//
15:44:00 <jeff> Jeff: Process2016 - or drop due to unnecessary complexity for corner case?
15:44:12 <jeff> SZ: Resolution: Postpone for Process2016
15:44:33 <SteveZ> RESOLUTION: Issue-93 is postponed to Process2016
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15:45:15 <timeless> s/SteveZ/jeff/
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15:45:44 <jeff> Mike: I raised issue 150 about IE agreement because discussion on mailing list is going in circles
15:45:48 <Dsinger_> Issue-150?
15:45:48 <trackbot> Issue-150 -- Remove restriction on "branching" from invited experts agreement -- raised
15:45:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/150
15:46:02 <jeff> ... Is that in scope for the CG since not part of process document?
15:46:07 <jeff> SZ: Two answers.
15:46:23 <jeff> ... by tradition, any topic loosely connected to process shows up here
15:46:30 <jeff> ... whether in scope or not
15:46:38 <jeff> ... team owns IE agreement
15:46:49 <jeff> ... intent to do something consistent with PP
15:46:56 <jeff> ... out of scope for process task force
15:46:58 <jeff> ... Jeff?
15:47:12 <jeff> Jeff: Could be a Team issue or AB issue.
15:47:20 <jeff> SZ: AB input would be useful
15:47:27 <jeff> ... but Team owns agreement
15:47:36 <jeff> ... it is in a fuzzy space
15:47:48 <jeff> ... Team is in charge of implementing various policies
15:47:50 <Dsinger_> Does anyone on the process tf think that such a change would be in conflict with the process?
15:48:02 <jeff> ... Process says IEs must sign the agreement
15:48:51 <jeff> DS: Would this be in conflict with the process
15:49:01 <jeff> Timeless: Only IEs have this constraint
15:49:24 <jeff> SZ: Process says that to participate as IE, IE must agree to terms of agreement.
15:49:57 <jeff> ... so, Mike, there is nothing we need to do in process
15:50:14 <jeff> ... nor anything in the process that prevents the team from changing the IE agreement
15:50:22 <jeff> Mike: Makes sense.
15:50:33 <jeff> Timeless: How do we get process or regular updates?
15:50:51 <jeff> ... AB and Team are a lot less open.
15:51:00 <jeff> Dave: Steve should refer this to the AB.
15:52:59 <jeff> SZ: Jeff would that be helpful?
15:53:24 <jeff> Jeff: I have no problem with your writing such a memo
15:53:33 <jeff> Mike: I just want to make sure we get some resolution.
15:53:47 <jeff> Dave: It would be good if the process TF asks the AB to take it up.
15:53:57 <Zakim> -Mike_Champion
15:54:13 <jeff> SZ: We'll meet on the 13th
15:54:21 <Dsinger_> ...and also ask the ab to keep processtf informed
15:54:22 <jeff> [adjourned]
15:54:29 <Zakim> -dsinger
15:54:32 <Zakim> -timeless
15:54:36 <Zakim> -Jeff
15:54:47 <timeless> s/Timeless/timeless/g
15:55:01 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:55:11 <SteveZ> RRSagent, make minutes
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15:55:28 <timeless> i/I raised/Topic: Issue-150 -- Remove restriction on "branching" from invited experts agreement -- raised/
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15:56:13 <timeless> i/We'll meet on the 13th/Topic: AoB/
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16:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, SteveZ, in AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM
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16:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveZ, Jeff, dsinger, Mike_Champion, +1.416.440.aaaa, timeless
16:05:10 <timeless> s/+1.416.440.aaaa, //
16:05:26 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:05:47 <timeless> trackbot, end meeting
16:05:47 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:05:47 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:05:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:05:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:05:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items