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15:57:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:57:06 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2015
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15:59:39 <juansequeda> zakim, aaaa is me
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16:00:05 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Zakim, +1.323.444.aabb is Marc
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16:00:28 <dbooth> zakim, aacc is TimW
16:00:28 <Zakim> +TimW; got it
16:00:35 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:00:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, Tony, juansequeda, Marc, rhausam, TimW
16:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimW, juansequeda, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, Tony, TallTed, egonw, cloudcell, trackbot, ericP
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16:02:29 <dbooth> Topic: Action items
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16:03:21 <dbooth> ACTION: Kerstin and Ingeborg to prepare a status and future state ideas for PhUSE-FDA work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action05] -- DONE
16:03:21 <trackbot> Error finding 'Kerstin'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
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16:04:25 <Zakim> + +1.678.999.aaff
16:04:27 <Zakim> +??P44
16:04:30 <dbooth> zakim, aaee is Darren
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16:04:49 <Zakim> + +33.1.73.71.aagg
16:04:59 <dbooth> zakim, aaff is Alejandra
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16:05:15 <dbooth> zakim, aagg is Charlie
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16:05:45 <Zakim> +PeterHendler
16:05:54 <dbooth> zakiim, aagg is Frederik
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16:06:19 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
16:06:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, Tony, juansequeda, Marc, rhausam, TimW, Kerstin_Forsberg, Ingeborg, ericP, [IPcaller.a], [IPcaller], Harold, pknapp, Darren, Alejandra, ??P44, Charlie,
16:06:22 <Zakim> ... +41.41.612.aahh, PeterHendler
16:06:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Alejandra_, pknapp, charlie, bpech, Lloyd, rhausam, hsolbrig, TimW, juansequeda, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, Tony, TallTed, egonw, cloudcell,
16:06:22 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP
16:06:40 <dbooth> zakim, Alejandra is really BrianPech
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16:08:01 <dbooth> Present: Lloyd, Alejandra
16:08:09 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:08:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, Tony, juansequeda, Marc, rhausam, TimW, Kerstin_Forsberg, Ingeborg, ericP, [IPcaller.a], [IPcaller], Harold, pknapp, Darren, BrianPech, ??P44, Charlie,
16:08:13 <Zakim> ... +41.41.612.aahh, PeterHendler
16:08:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ingeborg, Alejandra_, pknapp, charlie, bpech, Lloyd, rhausam, hsolbrig, TimW, juansequeda, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, Tony, TallTed, egonw,
16:08:13 <Zakim> ... cloudcell, trackbot, ericP
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16:09:01 <ericP> Zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is ClaudeNanjo
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16:09:10 <drjava> Drjava is peter hendler
16:09:34 <dbooth> Present+ Armando
16:10:19 <dbooth> Topic: Approve minutes
16:10:19 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20141230
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16:11:08 <dbooth> Resolved: Minutes approved!
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16:11:48 <dbooth> Topic: Frederik Malfait review of PhUSE / CDISC work
16:11:59 <dbooth>     http://tinyurl.com/CDISC-Webinar-PDF
16:11:59 <dbooth>     http://tinyurl.com/PRG-meeting-PDF
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16:18:15 <dbooth> Frederik: goal is to use W3C standards for clinical trials data.
16:18:48 <dbooth> ... Biggest work has been done on existing clinical trials work in RDF.
16:20:54 <dbooth> ... Looking at applying RDF Data Cube to analysis metadata.
16:21:40 <dbooth> slide 7 of http://tinyurl.com/CDISC-Webinar-PDF
16:22:49 <dbooth> Frederik: Data currently published as PDF and spreadsheets.
16:23:48 <dbooth> ... In CDISC looking at W3C semantic standards.
16:23:53 <Kerstin> http://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/
16:24:34 <dbooth> David: W3C is now working on CSV metadata standards
16:25:13 <dbooth> Frederik: Want an RDF representation of CDISC data.
16:28:15 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> did you created local ontology or you used 3rd party ones?
16:28:47 <dbooth> Frederik: Made from scratch.
16:30:03 <dbooth> ... We found an old one, actually used in Roche.  But you run into difficulties when you start with a theoretical model.  We didn't find anything suitable already, so we built one.  Very practical focus.
16:30:46 <dbooth> ... Now published on github.  CDISC now points to it.
16:30:59 <dbooth> ... 6 weeks of public review ends on Feb.
16:31:41 <Kerstin> Annoncement on CDISC website: http://www.cdisc.org/standards/dataexchange
16:32:02 <dbooth> ... Should become an official CDISC standard in 2015.  They are also developing a SHARE system, and we want to be able to export RDF from that.  Hope to align with what we have in github.
16:32:14 <dbooth> slide 27
16:34:23 <dbooth> SDTM = Study Data Tabulation Model
16:37:16 <dbooth> Second presentation: http://tinyurl.com/PRG-meeting-PDF
16:40:37 <dbooth> Ingeborg: I was creating a trial summary dataset.  Some info on clinicaltrials.gov, which does not always follow the CDISC code set.  Ended up going back to spreadsheets, because I did not see a good way to use that RDF file.  Comments?
16:41:04 <dbooth> Frederik: To be able to use it on the scale I'm describing you need to put the infrastructure in place.
16:42:02 <dbooth> ... It isn't a one-person effort.  You need to build systems around it.  We built a metadata repository.
16:43:15 <Zakim> -TimW
16:44:29 <dbooth> David: Ingeborg, was the problem that other data that you wanted to join was not in RDF?
16:45:14 <dbooth> Ingeborg: Partly, but also didn't have an easy way to query and browse the data.  E.g., wanted to pull out all the country codes.
16:45:35 <dbooth> ... But I'm an RDF beginner.
16:46:50 <Zakim> -Marc
16:50:12 <dbooth> David: How much uptake on CDISC in RDF?
16:51:06 <dbooth> Frederik: We're at the beginning, but we were able to convince CDISC to pay attention and do an RDF export from their system.  Once we have a protocol in place we can teach people how to use it.
16:51:35 <dbooth> ... It will take evangelizing, but I'm surprised at how many people sign up on the working group.
16:51:42 <dbooth> ... 25-30 people working on it.
16:52:38 <dbooth> Ingeborg: Is there value in being able to do queries across datasets that you could not previously do?
16:53:02 <dbooth> ... Payoff or benefit of RDF?
16:53:19 <dbooth> Frederik: Not yet presenting clinical trials data yet in RDF.
16:53:41 <dbooth> ... But we are managing our standards now.
16:54:10 <dbooth> ... And we have workflow information ... automated builds.  That's a huge payoff.
16:54:32 <Alejandra_> Going back to slide 7 in the second presentation, what kind of data is the one at the bottom of the diagram then? And what is the interpretation of RDF as a meta-meta-model?
16:54:52 <dbooth> ... $60M cost normally, but much easier in RDF.
16:56:27 <dbooth> Topic: San Antonio planning
16:57:20 <dbooth> 1. Update on the RDF group's progress in general
16:57:26 <dbooth> 2. Have someone lead a hands-on FHIR RDF hacking demo
16:57:32 <Zakim> -BrianPech
16:57:36 <dbooth> 3. Hash out FHIR RDF/ontology requirements
16:57:46 <dbooth> 4. FHIR RDF use cases
16:58:47 <Kerstin> Recomend aslo Frederik's abstract from Int Semantic Web Conference Industry Track https://dkm-static.fbk.eu/resources/iswc2014/proceedings/ISWC2014IndustryTrack-Extended%E2%80%93Abstracts.pdf
16:59:11 <dbooth> Paul: Suggest a 15 minute "here's how you represent something in RDF"
16:59:19 <dbooth> ... Also RDF and it's purpose, and what it looks like.
16:59:51 <dbooth> ... ITS people are comfortable with codings, etc., but not so familiar with RDF.
16:59:59 <ericP> q+ to say that it's worth impressing ITS folks with what SemWeb machinery can do with clinical data
17:00:14 <hsolbrig> Go to meeting shut down so I lost the audio
17:00:18 <dbooth> ... Also spend a little time now "why we're doing this"
17:00:37 <ericP> so +1 to Paul's plea for a "why?"
17:01:08 <dbooth> harold, call 617 761 6200  , code 4257
17:01:28 <ericP> meeting's run over so he may not be able
17:01:46 <dbooth> Claude: Time to plan the road ahead, and project scope statements (such as FHIR ont), and maybe dicuss other areas where RDF may be beneficial
17:02:02 <ericP> q?
17:02:06 <ericP> ack me
17:02:06 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say that it's worth impressing ITS folks with what SemWeb machinery can do with clinical data
17:02:30 <dbooth> Eric: Regarding Pauls' suggestion, it's worth impressing ITS folks with what SemWeb machinery can do with clinical data
17:03:25 <dbooth> ... Cook up a couple of use cases, such as Claude's CDS use case or Tony's, then we could show out-of-the-box inference machinery.
17:04:34 <dbooth> ACTION: Claude to work up use case example of RDF benefit to present in San Antonio
17:04:34 <trackbot> Error finding 'Claude'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
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17:05:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:06:25 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
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17:06:52 <Zakim> -DBooth
17:06:53 <Zakim> -ericP
17:07:13 <Zakim> -Darren
17:08:26 <Zakim> -PeterHendler
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17:08:28 <Zakim> Attendees were DBooth, Tony, +575737aaaa, juansequeda, rhausam, Marc, +1.919.767.aacc, TimW, Kerstin_Forsberg, Ingeborg, ericP, [IPcaller], +1.954.399.aadd, pknapp,
17:08:28 <Zakim> ... +1.484.356.aaee, Harold, +1.678.999.aaff, Darren, +33.1.73.71.aagg, +41.41.612.aahh, Charlie, PeterHendler, BrianPech, ClaudeNanjo
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17:09:43 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:09:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/06-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
17:10:14 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
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17:15:02 <dbooth> Present: Lloyd_McKenzie, Alejandra, Armando, David_Booth, Tony_Mallia, Juan_Sequeda, Rob_Hausam, Marc, TimW, Kerstin_Forsberg, Ingeborg, ericP, Paul_Knapp, Harold_Solbrig, Darren_Selsky, Charlie_Mead, Peter_Hendler, Brian_Pech, Claude_Nanjo, Frederik_Malfait
18:49:34 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:49:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/06-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
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19:25:46 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/06-hcls-actions.rdf :
19:25:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kerstin and Ingeborg to prepare a status and future state ideas for PhUSE-FDA work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/18-hcls-minutes.html#action05] -- DONE [1]
19:25:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/06-hcls-irc#T16-03-21
19:25:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Claude to work up use case example of RDF benefit to present in San Antonio [2]
19:25:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/06-hcls-irc#T17-04-34