IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2014-12-18
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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- Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 18 December 2014
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- chair: Kimberly_Patch
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Dec/0006.html
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- Agenda+ Q&A Note assignments / status
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- Agenda+ Platform capabilities finish discussion https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities
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- Agenda+ Comments on note so far https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile
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- Agenda+ Next steps – next meeting January 8
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- Regrets + Kathleen_Wahlbin, Alan
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- WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
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- +Kim_Patch
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- +Jeanne
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- zakim, who is on the phone
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- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', jeanne
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- +??P16
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- MichaelC has changed the topic to: Mobile Accessibility Task Force; Teleconferences Thursdays 11 am Eastern; Zakim +1.617.761.6200 passcode 6283
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Detlev
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
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- +jon_avila
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- scribe: jon_avila
- 16:08:59 [Kim]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile
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- jeanne: Section 4: discussion on virtual keyboard to type of data entry required.
- 16:09:25 [Brent]
- zadim, aaaa is really Brent
- 16:09:46 [MichaelC]
- zakim, aaaa is Brent
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- +Brent; got it
- 16:09:47 [Brent]
- zakim, aaaa is really Brent
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- sorry, Brent, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
- 16:10:07 [jon_avila]
- jeanne: overall very positive things. Issue for people who are using phone with VoiceOver changing keyboard for different fields can be an issue.
- 16:10:27 [jon_avila]
- KP: D1 on the note
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- jan: calling different variants of the system keyboard. User need to know how the system works.
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- jeanne: not so much about numbers and general text but more of an issue for dot and at sign for urls
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- 16:12:10 [jon_avila]
- mc: OS feature and not web app feature
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- jan: OS features -- perhaps give OS developers advice
- 16:12:43 [jon_avila]
- jeanne: could this be a UAAG feature to give people an option to standardize keyboard
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- q+
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- q+
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- mc: UAAG level thing seems reasonable
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- mc: spec on input editors API
- 16:14:53 [MichaelC]
- -> http://www.w3.org/TR/ime-api/ Input Method Editor API
- 16:15:33 [jon_avila]
- mc: separate concerns about how this reacts
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- kp: any other questions?
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- q-
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- q-
- 16:17:34 [jeanne]
- +1 to supporting HTML guidelines
- 16:20:08 [jon_avila]
- kp: any thoughts on d2? auto form fields
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- detlev: don't see particular issue accessibility wise
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- jeanne: harder to type on mobile phone
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- kp: what should we say?
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- jan: in general not bugging people for info site can determine.
- 16:23:44 [jon_avila]
- kp: Siri knows who you are -- is there more information that can be automatic
- 16:25:06 [jon_avila]
- detlev: issue could exist with information that is filled in incorrectly or info user doesn't want.
- 16:27:21 [jon_avila]
- ja: may allow option to choose from list of choices rather than requiring keyboard input
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- kp: d3 support characteristics of platform
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- jan: if you have access to check capabilities follow them
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- jeanne: only recently custom fonts access was made available.
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- detlev: font resizing varies and implementation varies, a lot of differences in support
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- detlev: sometimes wrapping is handled and sometimes not.
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- kp: Does this cause a user issue?
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- detlev: users may need to use different zoom functionality, AT zoom versus pinch or text resize
- 16:34:01 [jon_avila]
- kp: can be a stop because large percent of users can't in practice use something, e.g. issue with virtual keyboard and zooming
- 16:35:23 [jon_avila]
- jeanne: adjust size of caption is something to add
- 16:36:39 [jon_avila]
- detlev: can provide something on system text resize and the way it is supported
- 16:37:39 [jon_avila]
- kp: do you want to add resize text section?
- 16:40:09 [jon_avila]
- kp: what's different about c4 grouping related interactive elements together for mobile
- 16:40:42 [jon_avila]
- detlev: several tab stops one element with labels and hints.
- 16:42:46 [jon_avila]
- detlev: also issue with grouping link together -- not sure if it belongs here - practical design issue.
- 16:43:37 [jon_avila]
- jan: a problem for desktop too
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- Schedule: Jan 27 to WCAG WG
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- ... Feb 10, revisions back to WCAG
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- ... Feb 17, final approval
- 16:56:15 [MichaelC]
- mc: I propose organizing the note by whatever scheme is optimal to its content, not trying to organize it around WCAG / UAAG structrue
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- also don´t restrict to advice that maps to WCAG / UAAG success criteria
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- provide your advice, map (as sufficient or advisory) where mappings exist
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- what doesn´t map is a gap, and that´s input into a guidelines gap analysis for future work
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- s/structrue/structure/
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- -Brent
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- -Jan
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Jeanne
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- zakim, list participants
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- As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Michael_Cooper, Detlev, Jan, jon_avila, +1.512.276.aaaa, Brent
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kim
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- -Kim_Patch
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- WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Michael_Cooper, Detlev, Jan, jon_avila, +1.512.276.aaaa, Brent
- 17:07:12 [Kim]
- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items