IRC log of webfonts on 2014-12-17

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20:59:24 [RRSAgent]
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20:59:26 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs world
20:59:26 [Zakim]
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20:59:28 [trackbot]
Zakim, this will be 3668
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ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 17 December 2014
20:59:44 [Vlad]
zakim, who is here?
20:59:44 [Zakim]
IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
20:59:46 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Vlad, RSheeter, trackbot
21:00:02 [Vlad]
zakim, this is 3668!
21:00:02 [Zakim]
sorry, Vlad, I do not see a conference named '3668!' in progress or scheduled at this time
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21:01:20 [Vlad]
zakim, this is 3668
21:01:20 [Zakim]
ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()4:00PM
21:01:24 [Vlad]
zakim, who is here?
21:01:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Google], Vlad
21:01:26 [Zakim]
On IRC I see jfkthame, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, RSheeter, trackbot
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+jfkthame
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+ +1.650.253.aaaa
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On IRC, but unable to join call at the moment
21:05:25 [Vlad]
Hi John
21:05:40 [Vlad]
zakim, who is here?
21:05:40 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Google], Vlad, jfkthame, +1.650.253.aaaa
21:05:42 [Zakim]
On IRC I see raph, John_Hudson, kuettel, jfkthame, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, RSheeter, trackbot
21:08:47 [Vlad]
scribenick: RSheeter
21:08:56 [ChrisL]
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21:09:16 [ChrisL]
zakim, code?
21:09:16 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
21:09:45 [Zakim]
+ChrisL
21:09:57 [RSheeter]
all: await Chris with great anticipation
21:10:12 [ChrisL]
j'arrive!
21:10:53 [RSheeter]
vlad: need to do long term planning for '15; f2f meetings in particular
21:13:02 [RSheeter]
Vlad: progress bursty but solid for '14; we are awesome
21:14:05 [RSheeter]
DavidK: Firefox Opera and Chrome support woff2; pretty cool!
21:14:40 [RSheeter]
Vlad: is convinced woff2 is real :D And happy that ~50% of users can use it for real!
21:14:53 [ChrisL]
Topic: open action items
21:15:21 [RSheeter]
Vlad: asking about ACTION-116 status
21:15:44 [RSheeter]
DavidK: we are exploring options; will discuss more with Chrome team
21:15:53 [ChrisL]
action-116?
21:15:53 [trackbot]
action-116 -- David Kuettel to Decoder performance analysis on mobile devices -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN
21:15:53 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/116
21:16:37 [RSheeter]
action-122?
21:16:37 [trackbot]
action-122 -- Roderick Sheeter to Investigate the TTC support as part of the WOFF 2.0 pre-processing mechanism -- due 2014-10-31 -- OPEN
21:16:37 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/122
21:16:46 [RSheeter]
RSheeter: impressed at syntax prompts
21:17:20 [ChrisL]
that is part of 122
21:17:41 [ChrisL]
zakim, give RSheeter a cookie :)
21:17:41 [Zakim]
I'm glad that smiley is there, ChrisL
21:18:01 [RSheeter]
Vlad: we include ttc spec updates under action-122
21:18:17 [RSheeter]
zakim, give ChrisL a stiff drink :D
21:18:17 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'give ChrisL a stiff drink :D', RSheeter
21:18:38 [ChrisL]
zakim, who is your daddy?
21:18:38 [Zakim]
Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, ChrisL
21:19:02 [RSheeter]
action-155?
21:19:02 [trackbot]
action-155 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Clarify handling of checksum in a font collection -- due 2014-12-10 -- OPEN
21:19:02 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/155
21:19:23 [RSheeter]
Vlad: nobody has a definitive answer for how to do checksums for collections
21:19:53 [ChrisL]
IP layer already does per packet checking so adding it in the app layer has no real value
21:20:15 [ChrisL]
(assuming TCP and not UDP)
21:20:23 [RSheeter]
Vlad: impact of wrong checksum is unclear; may need to alter spec to clarify
21:21:13 [RSheeter]
Raph: why do we care about checksum?
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21:23:33 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: decompressor discuses how we rebuild checksums so this is in spec
21:25:13 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: it was brought up in context of TTC with multiple head tables that the definition in otspec doesn't entirely make sense here
21:26:22 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: per-table is definition is fine, we can set the correct value, it's just the head table one that is unclear
21:27:29 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: if it doesn't matter, perhaps we can just ignore the head table checksum, but it would be nice to have some assurance this won't break things.
21:29:19 [RSheeter_]
Raph: consumer probably tears apart and re-checksums anyway. Likely that most consumers will fix their own checksums and thus we don't have to do anything woff2 spec side.
21:30:30 [RSheeter_]
(discussion of whether anything would in fact break)
21:30:58 [ChrisL]
what would the google font sanitizer do?
21:31:24 [RSheeter_]
Raph: we need to actually test whether it matters
21:32:04 [RSheeter_]
I don't think OTS supports collections today
21:33:30 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: action-155 moving to be due Jan 14th, 2015
21:34:37 [RSheeter_]
Raph: where's the action item to update spec for TTC?
21:34:52 [RSheeter_]
(I also would like a new action for spec update for ttc)
21:35:49 [RSheeter_]
Raph: goes all Canadian on us and apologizes
21:36:27 [RSheeter_]
Raph: will take action to write spec for next call (expected Jan 7th)
21:36:50 [RSheeter_]
action Raph Draft spec update for TTC support
21:36:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-156 - Draft spec update for ttc support [on Raph Levien - due 2014-12-24].
21:36:58 [RSheeter_]
it's like magic!
21:37:35 [RSheeter_]
close action-122 with prejudice
21:37:40 [RSheeter_]
close action-122
21:37:40 [trackbot]
Closed action-122.
21:38:25 [RSheeter_]
action-129?
21:38:25 [trackbot]
action-129 -- David Kuettel to Prepare a mime type application draft and justification for top-level "font" registration (with Vlad) -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN
21:38:25 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/129
21:38:34 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: tests David's passion
21:38:43 [RSheeter_]
David: is still passionate
21:38:50 [RSheeter_]
action-133?
21:38:50 [trackbot]
action-133 -- Raph Levien to Review the spec edits and finalize the definition of the "nominal size" -- due 2014-10-15 -- OPEN
21:38:50 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/133
21:39:13 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: isn't sorry. It's all Canadianism day!
21:39:42 [RSheeter_]
Raph: took many vacations already, doesn't need any more!
21:40:27 [RSheeter_]
are date changes also magic commands?
21:41:01 [RSheeter_]
(Vlad is editing in a manner that suggests not)
21:41:13 [RSheeter_]
action-145?
21:41:13 [trackbot]
action-145 -- Roderick Sheeter to check padding and alignment in reference implementation -- due 2014-09-21 -- OPEN
21:41:13 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/145
21:41:28 [RSheeter_]
close action-145
21:41:28 [trackbot]
Closed action-145.
21:41:43 [RSheeter_]
action-146?
21:41:43 [trackbot]
action-146 -- Chris Lilley to Use ietf-w3c liaison to get review and guidance for next steps on brotli id -- due 2014-09-23 -- OPEN
21:41:43 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/146
21:42:17 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: do we have a reviewer or date?
21:42:30 [ChrisL]
I think we were keeping ACTION-146 open until we achieves success
21:43:00 [RSheeter_]
DavidK: we are looking to have Mark Adler review and write an independent implementation starting January
21:44:32 [RSheeter_]
(discussion of independent implementation [of decoder] idea; consensus that it would be awesome)
21:45:34 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: set most actions due Jan 14
21:45:38 [RSheeter_]
action-148?
21:45:38 [trackbot]
action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-01-14 -- OPEN
21:45:38 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148
21:45:54 [RSheeter_]
action-153?
21:45:54 [trackbot]
action-153 -- Raph Levien to Work with vlad to clarify all uses of original length -- due 2015-01-14 -- OPEN
21:45:54 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/153
21:46:43 [RSheeter_]
Raph: 133 and 153 updates should fly together
21:46:56 [RSheeter_]
Topic: Plans for 2015
21:47:41 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: when spec is done we can go to last call. Potentially end of January. We should make it happen!
21:49:26 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: are we all set to make Khaled Hosny an invited expert?
21:49:37 [RSheeter_]
ChrisL: he should have received invitation
21:51:08 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: probably we'll have to adjust things as we go through CTS; f2f would be helpful and ATypeI isn't until late in year
21:53:05 [RSheeter_]
(discussion of time/venue for f2f earlier in year)
21:53:38 [RSheeter_]
DavidK: Google can host if there isn't a better alternative
21:53:57 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: May seems like a good ballpark time
21:54:45 [RSheeter_]
Vlad: primary goal of May f2f would be to checkup on CTS and spec status
21:55:13 [John_Hudson]
If looking for early f2f opportunity, RoboFont is in The Hague in March.
21:55:40 [ChrisL]
Topic implementations
21:56:22 [RSheeter_]
Jonathan: in FF nightly and aurora, probably dev edition too
21:56:53 [RSheeter_]
Jonathan: disabled on beta and release as yet
21:58:51 [RSheeter_]
Google Fonts: we are serving woff2 to Firefox 35+
21:59:00 [Zakim]
-ChrisL
21:59:04 [RSheeter_]
Happy Holidays are deployed!
21:59:07 [ChrisL]
zakim, list attendees
21:59:08 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been [Google], Vlad, jfkthame, +1.650.253.aaaa, ChrisL
21:59:17 [ChrisL]
rrsagent, make minutes
21:59:17 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
21:59:28 [RSheeter_]
ty, was just typing to ask how to do that :D
21:59:29 [ChrisL]
RSheeter_ I will send them out
21:59:47 [Zakim]
-[Google]
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- +1.650.253.aaaa
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-jfkthame
21:59:50 [ChrisL]
well ok you append .text to the minutes url to get a text copy
21:59:55 [Zakim]
-Vlad
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IA_Fonts()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were [Google], Vlad, jfkthame, +1.650.253.aaaa, ChrisL
22:00:03 [ChrisL]
and then send plain text plus a link to the html minutes
22:00:03 [Vlad]
zakim, list attendees
22:00:03 [Zakim]
sorry, Vlad, I don't know what conference this is
22:00:21 [ChrisL]
trackbot can only understand inline plain text, not attachments
22:00:21 [trackbot]
Sorry, ChrisL, I don't understand 'trackbot can only understand inline plain text, not attachments'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
22:00:42 [ChrisL]
well ok you append ,text to the minutes url to get a text copy
22:00:45 [ChrisL]
(comma)
22:01:37 [jfkthame]
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22:01:42 [ChrisL]
anyway that is how. you want to send them out or shall I?