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20:59:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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20:59:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
20:59:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
20:59:29 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
20:59:29 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2014
20:59:44 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
20:59:44 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
20:59:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Vlad, RSheeter, trackbot
21:00:02 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668!
21:00:02 <Zakim> sorry, Vlad, I do not see a conference named '3668!' in progress or scheduled at this time
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21:01:20 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668
21:01:20 <Zakim> ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()4:00PM
21:01:24 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
21:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Google], Vlad
21:01:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see jfkthame, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, RSheeter, trackbot
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21:01:54 <Zakim> +jfkthame
21:04:40 <Zakim> + +1.650.253.aaaa
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21:05:06 <John_Hudson> On IRC, but unable to join call at the moment
21:05:25 <Vlad> Hi John
21:05:40 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
21:05:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Google], Vlad, jfkthame, +1.650.253.aaaa
21:05:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see raph, John_Hudson, kuettel, jfkthame, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, RSheeter, trackbot
21:08:47 <Vlad> scribenick: RSheeter
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21:09:16 <ChrisL> zakim, code?
21:09:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 3668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
21:09:45 <Zakim> +ChrisL
21:09:57 <RSheeter> all: await Chris with great anticipation
21:10:12 <ChrisL> j'arrive!
21:10:53 <RSheeter> vlad: need to do long term planning for '15; f2f meetings in particular
21:13:02 <RSheeter> Vlad: progress bursty but solid for '14; we are awesome
21:14:05 <RSheeter> DavidK: Firefox Opera and Chrome support woff2; pretty cool!
21:14:40 <RSheeter> Vlad: is convinced woff2 is real :D And happy that ~50% of users can use it for real!
21:14:53 <ChrisL> Topic: open action items
21:15:21 <RSheeter> Vlad: asking about ACTION-116 status
21:15:44 <RSheeter> DavidK: we are exploring options; will discuss more with Chrome team
21:15:53 <ChrisL> action-116?
21:15:53 <trackbot> action-116 -- David Kuettel to Decoder performance analysis on mobile devices -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN
21:15:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/116
21:16:37 <RSheeter> action-122?
21:16:37 <trackbot> action-122 -- Roderick Sheeter to Investigate the TTC support as part of the WOFF 2.0 pre-processing mechanism -- due 2014-10-31 -- OPEN
21:16:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/122
21:16:46 <RSheeter> RSheeter: impressed at syntax prompts
21:17:20 <ChrisL> that is part of 122
21:17:41 <ChrisL> zakim, give RSheeter  a cookie :)
21:17:41 <Zakim> I'm glad that smiley is there, ChrisL
21:18:01 <RSheeter> Vlad: we include ttc spec updates under action-122
21:18:17 <RSheeter> zakim, give ChrisL a stiff drink :D
21:18:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'give ChrisL a stiff drink :D', RSheeter
21:18:38 <ChrisL> zakim, who is your daddy?
21:18:38 <Zakim> Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, ChrisL
21:19:02 <RSheeter> action-155?
21:19:02 <trackbot> action-155 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Clarify handling of checksum in a font collection -- due 2014-12-10 -- OPEN
21:19:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/155
21:19:23 <RSheeter> Vlad: nobody has a definitive answer for how to do checksums for collections
21:19:53 <ChrisL> IP layer already does per packet checking so adding it in the app layer has no real value
21:20:15 <ChrisL> (assuming TCP and not UDP)
21:20:23 <RSheeter> Vlad: impact of wrong checksum is unclear; may need to alter spec to clarify
21:21:13 <RSheeter> Raph: why do we care about checksum?
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21:23:33 <RSheeter_> Vlad: decompressor discuses how we rebuild checksums so this is in spec
21:25:13 <RSheeter_> Vlad: it was brought up in context of TTC with multiple head tables that the definition in otspec doesn't entirely make sense here
21:26:22 <RSheeter_> Vlad: per-table is definition is fine, we can set the correct value, it's just the head table one that is unclear
21:27:29 <RSheeter_> Vlad: if it doesn't matter, perhaps we can just ignore the head table checksum, but it would be nice to have some assurance this won't break things.
21:29:19 <RSheeter_> Raph: consumer probably tears apart and re-checksums anyway. Likely that most consumers will fix their own checksums and thus we don't have to do anything woff2 spec side.
21:30:30 <RSheeter_> (discussion of whether anything would in fact break)
21:30:58 <ChrisL> what would the google font sanitizer do?
21:31:24 <RSheeter_> Raph: we need to actually test whether it matters
21:32:04 <RSheeter_> I don't think OTS supports collections today
21:33:30 <RSheeter_> Vlad: action-155 moving to be due Jan 14th, 2015
21:34:37 <RSheeter_> Raph: where's the action item to update spec for TTC?
21:34:52 <RSheeter_> (I also would like a new action for spec update for ttc)
21:35:49 <RSheeter_> Raph: goes all Canadian on us and apologizes
21:36:27 <RSheeter_> Raph: will take action to write spec for next call (expected Jan 7th)
21:36:50 <RSheeter_> action Raph Draft spec update for TTC support
21:36:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Draft spec update for ttc support [on Raph Levien - due 2014-12-24].
21:36:58 <RSheeter_> it's like magic!
21:37:35 <RSheeter_> close action-122 with prejudice
21:37:40 <RSheeter_> close action-122
21:37:40 <trackbot> Closed action-122.
21:38:25 <RSheeter_> action-129?
21:38:25 <trackbot> action-129 -- David Kuettel to Prepare a mime type application draft and justification for top-level "font" registration (with Vlad) -- due 2015-01-31 -- OPEN
21:38:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/129
21:38:34 <RSheeter_> Vlad: tests David's passion
21:38:43 <RSheeter_> David: is still passionate
21:38:50 <RSheeter_> action-133?
21:38:50 <trackbot> action-133 -- Raph Levien to Review the spec edits and finalize the definition of the "nominal size" -- due 2014-10-15 -- OPEN
21:38:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/133
21:39:13 <RSheeter_> Vlad: isn't sorry. It's all Canadianism day!
21:39:42 <RSheeter_> Raph: took many vacations already, doesn't need any more!
21:40:27 <RSheeter_> are date changes also magic commands?
21:41:01 <RSheeter_> (Vlad is editing in a manner that suggests not)
21:41:13 <RSheeter_> action-145?
21:41:13 <trackbot> action-145 -- Roderick Sheeter to check padding and alignment in reference implementation -- due 2014-09-21 -- OPEN
21:41:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/145
21:41:28 <RSheeter_> close action-145
21:41:28 <trackbot> Closed action-145.
21:41:43 <RSheeter_> action-146?
21:41:43 <trackbot> action-146 -- Chris Lilley to Use ietf-w3c liaison to get review and guidance for next steps on brotli id -- due 2014-09-23 -- OPEN
21:41:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/146
21:42:17 <RSheeter_> Vlad: do we have a reviewer or date?
21:42:30 <ChrisL> I think we were keeping ACTION-146 open until we achieves success
21:43:00 <RSheeter_> DavidK: we are looking to have Mark Adler review and write an independent implementation starting January
21:44:32 <RSheeter_> (discussion of independent implementation [of decoder] idea; consensus that it would be awesome)
21:45:34 <RSheeter_> Vlad: set most actions due Jan 14
21:45:38 <RSheeter_> action-148?
21:45:38 <trackbot> action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-01-14 -- OPEN
21:45:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148
21:45:54 <RSheeter_> action-153?
21:45:54 <trackbot> action-153 -- Raph Levien to Work with vlad to clarify all uses of original length -- due 2015-01-14 -- OPEN
21:45:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/153
21:46:43 <RSheeter_> Raph: 133 and 153 updates should fly together
21:46:56 <RSheeter_> Topic: Plans for 2015
21:47:41 <RSheeter_> Vlad: when spec is done we can go to last call. Potentially end of January. We should make it happen!
21:49:26 <RSheeter_> Vlad: are we all set to make Khaled Hosny an invited expert?
21:49:37 <RSheeter_> ChrisL: he should have received invitation
21:51:08 <RSheeter_> Vlad: probably we'll have to adjust things as we go through CTS; f2f would be helpful and ATypeI isn't until late in year
21:53:05 <RSheeter_> (discussion of time/venue for f2f earlier in year)
21:53:38 <RSheeter_> DavidK: Google can host if there isn't a better alternative
21:53:57 <RSheeter_> Vlad: May seems like a good ballpark time
21:54:45 <RSheeter_> Vlad: primary goal of May f2f would be to checkup on CTS and spec status
21:55:13 <John_Hudson> If looking for early f2f opportunity, RoboFont is in The Hague in March.
21:55:40 <ChrisL> Topic implementations
21:56:22 <RSheeter_> Jonathan: in FF nightly and aurora, probably dev edition too
21:56:53 <RSheeter_> Jonathan: disabled on beta and release as yet
21:58:51 <RSheeter_> Google Fonts: we are serving woff2 to Firefox 35+
21:59:00 <Zakim> -ChrisL
21:59:04 <RSheeter_> Happy Holidays are deployed!
21:59:07 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
21:59:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Google], Vlad, jfkthame, +1.650.253.aaaa, ChrisL
21:59:17 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:59:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
21:59:28 <RSheeter_> ty, was just typing to ask how to do that :D
21:59:29 <ChrisL> RSheeter_ I will send them out
21:59:47 <Zakim> -[Google]
21:59:48 <Zakim> - +1.650.253.aaaa
21:59:48 <Zakim> -jfkthame
21:59:50 <ChrisL> well ok you append .text to the minutes url to get a text copy
21:59:55 <Zakim> -Vlad
21:59:57 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()4:00PM has ended
21:59:57 <Zakim> Attendees were [Google], Vlad, jfkthame, +1.650.253.aaaa, ChrisL
22:00:03 <ChrisL> and then send plain text plus a link to the html minutes
22:00:03 <Vlad> zakim, list attendees
22:00:03 <Zakim> sorry, Vlad, I don't know what conference this is
22:00:21 <ChrisL> trackbot can only understand inline plain text, not attachments
22:00:21 <trackbot> Sorry, ChrisL, I don't understand 'trackbot can only understand inline plain text, not attachments'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
22:00:42 <ChrisL> well ok you append ,text to the minutes url to get a text copy
22:00:45 <ChrisL> (comma)
22:01:37 <jfkthame> jfkthame has left #webfonts
22:01:42 <ChrisL> anyway that is how. you want to send them out or shall I?